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I still largely oppose banning cards that aren't staples in virtually every deck, however, I'm less opposed to the idea as I was. That said, I don't think banning Sam is what needs to be done to level that out a bit. I think if we ban Angel Under the Oak, a lot of the big issues with Sam drop off, while keeping the offense itself viable. The issue isn't a massive banning chain with a D5 in there; we've had the banning chain for ages. The issue is that Angel lets you set up that banding chain ridiculous quickly, and throwing a D2 for the lulz. Genesis has settled down and isn't the powerhouse we originally thought it was. It's strong, yes, but I don't think Joseph needs to be banned, at least not until we see the effects neutering Sam (and possibly TGT/Gardensciples) has. Finally, instead of nuking TGT, what about Mary, Mother of James?
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Sabbath Breaker should go too, for the exact same reason as Oak.
As much as I hate to say it (since it ruins my deck), I nominate Isaiah's Call. Negating Souls, sites, and ECs, site access, and the ability to recur Isaiah with all that make it extremely powerful.
I think Ishmaiah needs to go. There is no way fbtn should have access to more drawing.
Genesis might not be the powerhouse we thought it was, but with Sam and TGT knocked down a peg, I think it is very likely that it would become that powerhouse, but I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of testing to see if Genesis really would take over the meta without those themes before nerfing it.
The best TGT decks use John or Peter as often as MoJ. Banning MoJ won't really put a dent in Gardenciples.
Gates of Samaria. That thing's just crazy.
Woah, I'm surprised to see all these different things being thrown around. Usually when Type Ban is brought up, most people (especially ones who have no intention of playing TB) just say "NJ ONLY." That hasn't even been mentioned this time around.
Every respectable standalone defense uses Sabbath Breaker.
Ban Mayhem. ONLY.
ban Gomer
Quote from: Chronic Apathy on February 01, 2012, 10:49:29 PM ban Gomer
Quote from: TheHobbit13 on February 01, 2012, 10:35:26 PMEvery respectable standalone defense uses Sabbath Breaker.Fair enough. I'd still ban Uzzah and Gomer before I'd ban SB.
Quote from: Chronic Apathy on February 01, 2012, 10:49:29 PMQuote from: TheHobbit13 on February 01, 2012, 10:35:26 PMEvery respectable standalone defense uses Sabbath Breaker.Fair enough. I'd still ban Uzzah and Gomer before I'd ban SB.Ban all three. They don't "fit in" to any theme defense, are used in almost all decks, and force people to go looking elsewhere and become more creative in defense.
I'm going to jump in, throw my 1 cent in (sense my 2 cents aren't worth anything anyway, and I need every cent of my money in this economy), then never come back to this. PLEASE DO NOT BAN ANYTHING SILVER. It has a hard enough time getting anything good. Now that we finally are starting to pick up some good cards, you want to ban them. Ban whatever problem their causing, but PLEASE keep our silver!
Speed defenses have overcentralized the meta in Type 1 2p for far too long. Ban them all, and you might start to actually see different defenses here and there.
Quote from: Master KChief on February 02, 2012, 02:15:04 AMSpeed defenses have overcentralized the meta in Type 1 2p for far too long. Ban them all, and you might start to actually see different defenses here and there.Again, that's not the point of Type Ban. The point is to make as few cuts as possible to help balance the meta, not centralize it to whatever we want it to be. The far-reaching goal of TB is to eventually make it a real category, and banning every staple card is not conductive of that goal.
The suggestion to ban staple cards is fully half the reason why the concept of banning cards will never have legitimacy in this community. I argue against the notion that banning one card will have a snowball effect, and concepts like "ban standalone defenses!" completely ruins that.
The suggestion to ban staple cards is fully half the reason why the concept of banning cards will never have legitimacy in this community.
I argue against the notion that banning one card will have a snowball effect, and concepts like "ban standalone defenses!" completely ruins that.
other CCGs don't ban entire defenses at once.