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Ok, for far too long, Redemption has gone without a variation for practicing
but good news is, i'v come up with a solution to the problem.
a variation where there CANNOT and WILL NOT be winners or losers.
which means if you get to 5, the game doesn't stop there, same goes for type 2

cause the point is to have fun and to improve your's if your less experianced, or their game if your the pro.
i would also like to mention that the souls in both players' Land of Redemption WILL NOT count, considering there won't be any winners or losers in practice games


it's time redemption gets a jump with practice games.
which is where this variation comes it

please let me know what you all think of this new variation for practicing

new rules thanks to smokey:

1. The new player should be informed of when he would have lost if it were a real game.

2. Both players should play the whole game with their hands revealed, so the newer player doesn't feel like he is at a disadvantage for being new. (optional rule)

3. If the more experienced player realizes the newer player made a mistake he should tell him after battle / next turn / next phase so that the newer player has the opportunity to make his mistakes and instantly learn from them.

i get what he is trying to do i mean you learn alot from losing but as a new player that can be really disheartning

you learn cause pros tell you what mistakes you made
and when it comes to me, i have the tendancy to not learn from my losses cause for one, i hate losing
which is one of the reasons why i came up with this
and besides that
practicing isn't about winning or losing, it's about improvement so if you could play without losing then this would be a suitable variation for ya

Quote from: RED on August 26, 2010, 03:27:52 PM

Quote from: swgamble on August 26, 2010, 03:26:09 PM

i get what he is trying to do i mean you learn alot from losing but as a new player that can be really disheartning

Yeah but your gonna lose 50 times anyway so what's the point?

because alot people don't want to play a game where they lose the first 50 games they play

Then why does chess have so many players?

I like this idea alot, but I think a few changes should be made to the way you described the game going.

1. The new player should be informed of when he would have lost if it were a real game.

2. Both players should play the whole game with their hands revealed, so the newer player doesn't feel like he is at a disadvantage for being new. (optional rule)

3. If the more experienced player realizes the newer player made a mistake he should tell him after battle / next turn / next phase so that the newer player has the opportunity to make his mistakes and instantly learn from them.

Just some things off the top of my head.

Andy sorry. And with smokey's idea I can stomach this. And hey you were my 2nd win on rts ever that's acounts for something.

I think the idea is excellent.  It certainly didn't deserve the hard criticism it got.

anymore feedback?

well, smokey came up with an idea for feedback where both players have revealed hands throughout the game

Constructive Criticism is fine.

M, do you even understand where im coming from with this idea?

I'd purposely build a 154 card almost entirely defensive deck so I can

A.) Let the game take 3 hours
B.) Lock my opponent out for the entire game, so they will never get to 5.
C.) Watch the rage quitters.

with this idea there will be no winning or losing

Quote from: New Raven BR on September 19, 2010, 03:51:44 PM

with this idea there will be no winning or losing

then there is no point

the whole point of this idea is for practice.
when you practice in games where your either the winner or the loser, that's not practicing.
that's playing a real game so i thought up a way to play without winning and losing except in battle challenges and rescue attempts cause winning and losing games in practice makes as much sense as steven schaefer shaving his head at a nationals without giving a reason for it

Quote from: New Raven BR on September 19, 2010, 09:27:25 PM

Quote from: The Warrior on September 19, 2010, 07:26:10 PM

Quote from: New Raven BR on September 19, 2010, 03:51:44 PM

with this idea there will be no winning or losing

then there is no point

the whole point of this idea is for practice.
when you practice in games where your either the winner or the loser, that's not practicing.
that's playing a real game so i thought up a way to play without winning and losing except in battle challenges and rescue attempts cause winning and losing games in practice makes as much sense as steven schaefer shaving his head at a nationals without giving a reason for it

train unlike the official  is unrealistic:
if you play...say.. 4 hours with a n00b hes like  
then in a tourney a dude whips out a couple quick combos and the n00b is like :   thats it???
Also a Bald Schaef would be Cool!

it says edited by Prof U but i see no Changes 

how extraordinarily communist 
losing is the way you learn, and this is pretty much keeping people on crutches. how will you learn to walk if you never get the chance to try on your own

He has a point. And learn to love the game not the outcome.

i'm really sorry, i wasn't trying to sound mean or hateful...it's been a tough day. i am sorry.

anymore feedback?

please let me know what you all think of this new variation for practicing

i was just letting you know what i thought...
keeping track of my losses is what helps me most. i apologize for my comment but i was just answering your post...

no ring wraith
your still not getting the point of this idea i had.
and most of the replies i see in this thread are hurtful and put down that will not help this idea i had become a much better idea from what i had in mind.
the ONLY person to have posted REAL criticism is smokey.
most of the replies on here have been "what's the point?" and "you learn by losing" well nuh uh!
"learning by losing" will not cut it anymore.
i know for a fact rookies and players like me are so tired of losing that we're ready to quit the game for good.
but this idea i think will bring in a new era in practicing playing the game.
this idea doesn't have to be for beginners but for less experianced like me to play those who are far more experianced then i am to become better and to actually know what mistakes are made and what can be done to get better.

Quote from: New Raven BR on September 20, 2010, 07:35:29 PM

No, Ring Wraith, you're still not getting the point of this idea. Most of the replies I see in this thread are hurtful and put down my idea.  That will not help this concept become a much better one than what I originally had in mind. The ONLY person to have posted REAL criticism is smokey. Most of the replies on here have been "what's the point?" and "you learn by losing." I disagree. "Learning by losing" will not cut it anymore. I know for a fact rookies and players like me are so tired of losing that we're ready to quit the game for good, but this idea I think will bring in a new era in practicing playing the game. This idea doesn't have to be for beginners but for the less experienced, like me, to play those who are far more experienced than I am to become better and to actually know what mistakes are made and what can be done to get better.

Just because people disagree that your idea is the best one doesn't mean you blow them off and say that you're fed up with it. Losing is not the point. Check it, yo. You can still ask people to tell you your mistakes and have an ending of a game.

absolutly not.
i'v tried that before and everytime i ask im always answered with "i don't remember"
which means they were focusing more on winning then helping me improve

GC
lemme make this perfectly clear so every single simple minded person here will understand.
i hate losing so im giving those who hate losing like me, a break from it to actually play games.
the whole point is to practice, not to win or lose and for me it's a very big hassle cause i'v been losing so much that i just can't stand it even though i couldn't stand it to begin with.
thumb my replies down if you want.
it'll just show how immature you are, and i'd rather have positive comments on here then comments that put my ideas down and those kind of comments i WILL NOT tolerate

Flaming is not okay.

no ring wraith
your still not getting the point of this idea i had.
and most of the replies i see in this thread are hurtful and put down that will not help this idea i had become a much better idea from what i had in mind.
the ONLY person to have posted REAL criticism is smokey.

No, the only criticism you ACCEPTED was smokey's.

Quote from: Ring Wraith on September 20, 2010, 07:45:26 PM

Quote from: New Raven BR on September 20, 2010, 07:35:29 PM

No, Ring Wraith, you're still not getting the point of this idea. Most of the replies I see in this thread are hurtful and put down my idea.  That will not help this concept become a much better one than what I originally had in mind. The ONLY person to have posted REAL criticism is smokey. Most of the replies on here have been "what's the point?" and "you learn by losing." I disagree. "Learning by losing" will not cut it anymore. I know for a fact rookies and players like me are so tired of losing that we're ready to quit the game for good, but this idea I think will bring in a new era in practicing playing the game. This idea doesn't have to be for beginners but for the less experienced, like me, to play those who are far more experienced than I am to become better and to actually know what mistakes are made and what can be done to get better.

Just because people disagree that your idea is the best one doesn't mean you blow them off and say that you're fed up with it. Losing is not the point. Check it, yo. You can still ask people to tell you your mistakes and have an ending of a game.

absolutly not.
i'v tried that before and everytime i ask im always answered with "i don't remember"
which means they were focusing more on winning then helping me improve

No, it means you didn't make any glaringly OBVIOUS mistakes. Unless one is looking for mistakes (which if you want you can ask before a game can you look for mistakes as I play?) they don't see them because they are having to focus on their game play and what you have down. Most of the time you've played me you quit before I could tell what mistakes had been made because some "mistakes" mid-game help you win. If you never finish you never find out what worked and what didn't. I've forgotten things before, had them make me lose and had them make me win. It all depends what happens.

i know for a fact rookies and players like me are so tired of losing that we're ready to quit the game for good.

Proof please? Because I know YMT's group isn't ready to quit, and I know many of them lose to me (based solely on the fact of A I have more cards and B I've been playing 10X the time they have.), AND they still have fun. Hm...So I really need to see some proof since I live with a counter example of it. I've only seen 3 people quit the game for that reason and one was it was their first day and they didn't quite understand the game.

it'll just show how immature you are, and i'd rather have positive comments on here then comments that put my ideas down and those kind of comments i WILL NOT tolerate

As said before, you don't want criticisms, you want people to tell you your idea is great. I won't lie and say I like the idea, in fact to me it doesn't make much sense to me. Playing with both hands up gives an advantage that won't be had in real game, so when the real games come the new players will lack a crucial high level skill, Prediction.