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Title: Transformers 3
Post by: Professoralstad on June 29, 2011, 07:27:48 PM
Has anyone seen it yet? I don't want any spoilers, but I would like to know if it would be worth going to. Like most people I've talked to, I loved the first one and hated the second one, so I am as yet unsure of what I might think of the third. I read some reviews that say it's better than the second one (thankfully) but I was just wondering what anyone here has thought so far.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: lp670sv on June 29, 2011, 07:35:18 PM
It's a michael bay movie so here's a quick summary.....
BOOM!!!! Explosion

BOOOMMM!!!!!


Megan fox (cept shes not in this one

BOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!


FIRE!!!!!!

EXPLOSION!!!


Roll credits.

It does have a song in it by Taking Back Sunday off their new album though.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: TheJaylor on June 29, 2011, 07:39:20 PM
All I heard is that Megan Fox isn't in it for the most part so it might be worth seeing.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: TheHobbit13 on June 29, 2011, 11:42:25 PM
you deserve the ban hammer for that one.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on June 29, 2011, 11:47:32 PM
I saw it last night.  Aside from the context of the intro conversation between Shia and new girl, I thought the movie was phenomenal for a third installment.  The jokes were a little bit funnier, the CGI action was much more detailed (More graphic you could say), and the overall story/drama was quite refreshing compared to TF2.  Megan Fox would have killed it.  And no, the new girl is not a continuation of the Megan Fox/Shia Labouf (Spelling?) relationship.  All is explained in the movie.  I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Carry On,

-C_S
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: crustpope on June 30, 2011, 12:24:27 AM
what about graphic violence, language or nudity?  any  of that in this movie?
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: Lawfuldog on June 30, 2011, 12:57:31 AM
Pretty fair amount of language, lots and lots and lots of violence, and a minimum amount of nudity (nothing explicit, also mainly just includes one scene of the movie).

Saw it at the midnight premier, it's definitely worth seeing even just to admire the detailed art of the CGI. Though my personal favorite moment of the night was the trailer for the new Mission Impossible movie and it having an awesome cast.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: TheJaylor on July 01, 2011, 12:32:13 AM
Has anyone seen it yet? I don't want any spoilers, but I would like to know if it would be worth going to. Like most people I've talked to, I loved the first one and hated the second one, so I am as yet unsure of what I might think of the third. I read some reviews that say it's better than the second one (thankfully) but I was just wondering what anyone here has thought so far.
Jonathan said that it had about the same plot as the first two and was basically the same story all over again with a new girl and new other stuff. He said it would be worth seeing for $5 that you'd pay on weekdays.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: COUNTER_SNIPER on July 01, 2011, 01:58:14 AM
what about graphic violence, language or nudity?  any  of that in this movie?

Lawfuldog summed it up quite well.  I'd recommend some discretion when it comes to youth under 13, but that's just my personal thoughts.

Carry On,

-C_S
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: TheHobbit13 on July 01, 2011, 12:56:00 PM
Has anyone seen it yet? I don't want any spoilers, but I would like to know if it would be worth going to. Like most people I've talked to, I loved the first one and hated the second one, so I am as yet unsure of what I might think of the third. I read some reviews that say it's better than the second one (thankfully) but I was just wondering what anyone here has thought so far.
Jonathan said that it had about the same plot as the first two and was basically the same story all over again with a new girl and new other stuff. He said it would be worth seeing for $5 that you'd pay on weekdays.

We all should go late after game night next wednesday? Eh?
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: stefferweffer on July 01, 2011, 01:28:05 PM
From screenit, for those who are concerned:

"What the F---?"  An incomplete "What the f---"  An incomplete "This is a total cluster f---!"  "A sad piece of sh--", "Sh-- that matters", "Sh--'s going down", "Why do the decepticons always get the good sh--?"  "This is bull----"  "Deep Wang" "D--- head", "You booty looks excellent"  "He's such a D--k"  "You've got some balls"  "What the he--"  "Such a dumb a--"  "Up my a--"  "I'll kick your a--"  "It's a bi---in robot"  "Who's chicken now, Bi---?"  "You being a smart a--", "Rich bast---"  "What the he--"  "A he-- of a time"  "Scary- a-- decepticon"  "Kicking a--"  "Get your bad a-- over here"  "You'll be nothing but Sentinel's bi---"

To sum up, at least 1 fully heard "f" word, 4 partial "f" words, 7 "s" words, 3 slang terms for male genitals, 10 "a--", 6 "he--", 3 "da--", 2 "cr--", 5 "Oh my God", 4 "My God", 3 "Jesus", 1 "God", 1 "Oh God"

Sex/nudity - Given the forum that this is in, I'm not comfortable discussing it here.  If you are concerned send me a pm.  Hope this helps in informing people.
 
 
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: lp670sv on July 01, 2011, 06:12:56 PM
From screenit, for those who are concerned:

"What the F---?"  An incomplete "What the f---"  An incomplete "This is a total cluster f---!"  "A sad piece of sh--", "Sh-- that matters", "Sh--'s going down", "Why do the decepticons always get the good sh--?"  "This is bull----"  "Deep Wang" "D--- head", "You booty looks excellent"  "He's such a D--k"  "You've got some balls"  "What the he--"  "Such a dumb a--"  "Up my a--"  "I'll kick your a--"  "It's a bi---in robot"  "Who's chicken now, Bi---?"  "You being a smart a--", "Rich bast---"  "What the he--"  "A he-- of a time"  "Scary- a-- decepticon"  "Kicking a--"  "Get your bad a-- over here"  "You'll be nothing but Sentinel's bi---"

To sum up, at least 1 fully heard "f" word, 4 partial "f" words, 7 "s" words, 3 slang terms for male genitals, 10 "a--", 6 "he--", 3 "da--", 2 "cr--", 5 "Oh my God", 4 "My God", 3 "Jesus", 1 "God", 1 "Oh God"

Sex/nudity - Given the forum that this is in, I'm not comfortable discussing it here.  If you are concerned send me a pm.  Hope this helps in informing people.

I've cursed more then this in one sentence.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 01, 2011, 06:17:51 PM
I've cursed more then this in one sentence.

There's something to be proud of....  ::)
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: BubbleBoy on July 01, 2011, 06:26:02 PM
Has anyone seen it yet? I don't want any spoilers, but I would like to know if it would be worth going to. Like most people I've talked to, I loved the first one and hated the second one, so I am as yet unsure of what I might think of the third. I read some reviews that say it's better than the second one (thankfully) but I was just wondering what anyone here has thought so far.
Jonathan said that it had about the same plot as the first two and was basically the same story all over again with a new girl and new other stuff. He said it would be worth seeing for $5 that you'd pay on weekdays.

We all should go late after game night next wednesday? Eh?
I'm probably in.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: TheJaylor on July 01, 2011, 07:28:25 PM
Has anyone seen it yet? I don't want any spoilers, but I would like to know if it would be worth going to. Like most people I've talked to, I loved the first one and hated the second one, so I am as yet unsure of what I might think of the third. I read some reviews that say it's better than the second one (thankfully) but I was just wondering what anyone here has thought so far.
Jonathan said that it had about the same plot as the first two and was basically the same story all over again with a new girl and new other stuff. He said it would be worth seeing for $5 that you'd pay on weekdays.

We all should go late after game night next wednesday? Eh?
I'm probably in.
$5 at the Carmike Cenimas.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: lp670sv on July 01, 2011, 07:48:55 PM
I've cursed more then this in one sentence.

There's something to be proud of....  ::)
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I swear like a sailor and I'm okay with it. Not around children mind you I have decency, but words only have as much power as you give them and I give curse words no more power then the word "fluffy"
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 01, 2011, 07:57:24 PM
I swear like a sailor and I'm okay with it. Not around children mind you I have decency,....

I find these two sentences to be contradictory, but maybe that's just me.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: lp670sv on July 01, 2011, 08:01:36 PM
I swear like a sailor and I'm okay with it. Not around children mind you I have decency,....

I find these two sentences to be contradictory, but maybe that's just me.

which parts the "Swear like a sailor" and "Decency" parts? I don't swear in situations where it would be seen as vastly inappropriate but like I said swear words mean nothing to me. Any word only has the amount of power you give it, and no more. I assign no more strength to the f word then I do to "oh sugar" though the latter just sounds ridiculous in most cases. Plus I am a programmer there is a reason we have a list of 4 and 7 letter programmer words.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 01, 2011, 08:04:02 PM
Any word only has the amount of power you give it, and no more.

This is inherently false, because your words also affect other people. That is why the Bible speaks so specifically about controlling the tongue.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: lp670sv on July 01, 2011, 08:06:35 PM
Any word only has the amount of power you give it, and no more.

This is inherently false, because your words also affect other people. That is why the Bible speaks so specifically about controlling the tongue.

Right. when you hear me swear you get offended, but why? Because you chose to. Because you assigned that meaning of added insult to that word. What makes a curse word any different from any other word in the english language? Nothing. Just the power that people give to them. If you give them no power they are just another word. And as I stated several times, if the situation is inappropriate for swearing I am mindful of others and hold my tongue but when I'm by myself I'll curse whenever I feel like it because those words mean nothing to me
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 01, 2011, 08:14:26 PM
Knowing that certain words are widely viewed as vulgar, and using them anyway, is a choice on your part to use offensive language. You are choosing those words specifically for their vulgar nature. All profanity is used in context. Otherwise you would not have said them in the first place.

"I never eat cookies without a glass of _ _ _ _."  Would you insert an expletive here? Probably not. You choose those words in their intended vulgar context. So the words do indeed have meaning, and that word, in that context, is a choice to be vulgar.

You can choose to be vulgar if you wish, but do not pretend that your words have no meaning or weight. They most certainly do.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: lp670sv on July 01, 2011, 08:19:50 PM
No i would not use a curse word in that sentence because non of them have the same meaning as the word milk. however the meaning of a word and the weight it carries are two very different things, it was my mistake to not clarify the two. Curse words care no more WEIGHT then their synonyms, unless you let them. shoot is not a vulgar word but is given the same meaning when placed in context as the s word. So why is one vulgar and the other isn't? Because someone wanted it to be. Because there are people in the world that look for reasons to be offended and assign offense to words that have none just so they can get offended by it.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 01, 2011, 08:26:23 PM
So why not use them around children? Those children were looking for reasons to be offended?

You used the word "decency" in regard to watching your language around children. It seems that you are well aware of the implications of your language, and choose to accuse adults of nitpicking.

I would argue that if it is indecent around children, then it is simply indecent and probably best for Christians to avoid.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: lp670sv on July 01, 2011, 08:36:59 PM
I don't use them around children because the general society considers the words to be bad and i don't want children getting in trouble for repeating the things i've said, however if you are an adult and you can't handle a little cursing you need to grow up.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 01, 2011, 08:41:08 PM
I don't use them around children because the general society considers the words to be bad and i don't want children getting in trouble for repeating the things i've said, however if you are an adult and you can't handle a little cursing you need to grow up.

LOL. The irony of that statement.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: lp670sv on July 01, 2011, 08:44:06 PM
I don't use them around children because the general society considers the words to be bad and i don't want children getting in trouble for repeating the things i've said, however if you are an adult and you can't handle a little cursing you need to grow up.

LOL. The irony of that statement.

I see no irony in saying that if you can't handle cursing you're a child who clearly isn't mature enough to think for yourself and assign your own weight to what people say. Get over yourself 'kay?

Also: I'm not a Christian so saying that Christians shouldn't use them doesn't apply to me. Good try though.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 01, 2011, 08:47:53 PM
You are not a Christian and yet still recognize:

1. Swearing in front of children is indecent.
2. Having children repeat your swearing would be a bad influence.
 
To me, this indicates that the indecency of profanity is not limited to a Christian point-of-view.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: lp670sv on July 01, 2011, 08:50:47 PM
Indeed, to the general public, swearing is seen as a negative. But only because someone decided a long time ago that they didn't really like those particular words and assigned them the status of curse words. There is no reason for them to be other then the fact that society continues to perpetuate that they are. The only reason I don't swear in front of children is that I realize that not everyone shares my viewpoint on these words and that the children would most likely be punished for using them. That does not change how I view the words however.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: Red on July 01, 2011, 08:54:28 PM
Words carry meanings. Words can be good or evil.  Meanings decide that.  You can't change a word's meaning.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 01, 2011, 08:56:18 PM
The only reason I don't swear in front of children is that I realize that not everyone shares my viewpoint on these words and that the children would most likely be punished for using them. That does not change how I view the words however.

I understand that you do not view them as bad. Please understand that I am not telling you that you have to stop swearing. That is a choice for only you to make.

What I was addressing was the perception that the words carry no weight when you use them. They always carry weight, because someone is always listening (especially children, and usually when you think that they can't hear you).

I think that you realize the weight they carry, but you want the freedom to use them anyway. Again, that is your choice. Just understand that everything you say impacts someone somewhere. Therefore choosing to avoid certain words alleviates the burden of hurting (or offending) someone unnecessarily.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: lp670sv on July 01, 2011, 08:59:13 PM
Words carry meanings. Words can be good or evil.  Meanings decide that.  You can't change a word's meaning.

Words cannot be good or evil. Words are unbiased, that can only be good or evil depending on the context and manner in which that are used. I can think of a thousand things to say that are far more evil then me expressing my frustration with the F word, none of them contain the words you have labelled evil. Words can have man different meanings. Does saying my dog s--- on the carpet mean anything different then my dog soiled that carpet? No. it doesn't. You want it to because you do not believe swear words to be acceptable because you have assigned them a value they should not carry
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: Red on July 01, 2011, 09:02:50 PM
That is a very liberal standpoint.  For the most part all things are good or evil.  Words included. The bible is very clear on the matter. (Your outnumbered. This is a christian forum)
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 01, 2011, 09:03:58 PM
That is a very liberal standpoint.  For the most part all things are good or evil.  Words included. The bible is very clear on the matter. (Your outnumbered. This is a christian forum)

That's not helpful, RED. We are not trying to drive non-Christians out.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: Red on July 01, 2011, 09:05:40 PM
I wasn't. I was stating a fact.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 01, 2011, 09:07:52 PM
Does saying my dog s--- on the carpet mean anything different then my dog soiled that carpet? No. it doesn't. You want it to because you do not believe swear words to be acceptable because you have assigned them a value they should not carry

Which would you say in front of a child? I would think "soiled."

My point is simply that you know the meanings that are assigned, and you choose the words based on context. In context, all words have a specific meaning.

I simply choose, because of my own convictions, to use "soiled" every time.

Actually, I chose to not have pets so I wouldn't need to choose...  ;D
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: lp670sv on July 01, 2011, 09:11:53 PM
Does saying my dog s--- on the carpet mean anything different then my dog soiled that carpet? No. it doesn't. You want it to because you do not believe swear words to be acceptable because you have assigned them a value they should not carry

Which would you say in front of a child? I would think "soiled."

My point is simply that you know the meanings that are assigned, and you choose the words based on context. In context, all words have a specific meaning.

I simply choose, because of my own convictions, to use "soiled" every time.

Actually, I chose to not have pets so I wouldn't need to choose...  ;D
Touche on that last bit haha
That is a very liberal standpoint.  For the most part all things are good or evil.  Words included. The bible is very clear on the matter. (Your outnumbered. This is a christian forum)

Saying I'm outnumbered isn't going to change anything. I play a Christian card game, fairly well I might add, I'm used to being the only Agnostic in the room so to speak. Saying the bible condemns something is also fairly useless against me, the bible is a guideline but it's not law to me. (Yes I have read it) There are also plenty of things the bible condones in certain places that are later said to be forbidden and likewise things that are forbidden that later are condoned. Times change.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 01, 2011, 09:13:03 PM
I wasn't. I was stating a fact.

If I were a non-Christian, I would have been offended (or at least disappointed). As a Christian, you have been given instruction about bridling your tongue. lp670sv can have his own opinion without having to feel ganged-up on. Whether he is "outnumbered" or not is irrelevant. Jesus still died for him, so take him seriously.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: Red on July 01, 2011, 09:16:16 PM
I'm bowing out of this partly because of a fairly severe fever and the fact I have two people up my neck.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 01, 2011, 09:17:58 PM
I'm bowing out of this partly because of a fairly severe fever and the fact I have two people up my neck.

You may want to let your parents know that sitting on your neck is not a common remedy for the fever. I would suggest Ibuprofen.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: Red on July 01, 2011, 09:31:25 PM
I did.... It's starting to work.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: The Schaef on July 01, 2011, 10:31:24 PM
The only reason I don't swear in front of children is that I realize that not everyone shares my viewpoint on these words and that the children would most likely be punished for using them.

So you will defer based on how the words might impact children, but not how they might impact adults?  Why are children more deserving of courtesy and consideration?
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: lp670sv on July 01, 2011, 10:57:41 PM
The only reason I don't swear in front of children is that I realize that not everyone shares my viewpoint on these words and that the children would most likely be punished for using them.

So you will defer based on how the words might impact children, but not how they might impact adults?  Why are children more deserving of courtesy and consideration?

Children are impressionable. They are more likely to repeat my words, and then get in trouble for using them. That would be my fault having taught the child the word and not teaching them that other people do not like them. I would hope an adult would not simply repeat what I say. My concern is not out of courtesy from not having them hear the words but rather that they don't repeat them.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: The Schaef on July 01, 2011, 11:38:45 PM
My concern is not out of courtesy from not having them hear the words but rather that they don't repeat them.

If words are not inherently good or evil, why do you care if children repeat them?  If you don't care in the least how your words impact other people, why do you place value in teaching children to care about the same thing?
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: lp670sv on July 01, 2011, 11:46:31 PM
My concern is not out of courtesy from not having them hear the words but rather that they don't repeat them.

If words are not inherently good or evil, why do you care if children repeat them?  If you don't care in the least how your words impact other people, why do you place value in teaching children to care about the same thing?

I don't know how to make this more clear. I do not believe words are inherently good or evil but Society DOES and I am well aware of that, I am more then willing to face whatever consequence comes from using the language I use but a child does not know better and would not understand. They would be getting punished with no idea why.

Well I'm on the subject of children not understanding that almost drives home my point. When a baby is born the only way it can tell if you are mad is if you raise your voice or use a specific tone. That is how words should be judged. By the intent behind them and not by what they actually are.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 01, 2011, 11:53:13 PM
That is how words should be judged. By the intent behind them and not by what they actually are.

Although this seems ideal, it is just not the way the world works. So, in consolation, I believe that adults should bear the burden of proper word choice to be effective models to children. I doubt you disagree with this, but where we differ is that I feel I will "slip" less if I am practicing the word choices continually, even when no one is listening (or so I think....  ;) ).
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: The Schaef on July 01, 2011, 11:57:50 PM
I don't know how to make this more clear.

You're clear, it's just your behavior contradicts your philosophy.  Not to mention it proceeds from the flawed assumption that you are in control of the circumstances under which you choose to use certain words.  You have no way of knowing who might catch what you say at any given time, and as humans are creatures of habit to begin with, years of common usage can - through no fault of your own (other than choosing to incorporate this language in the first place) - push the word past your lips even though little Johnny just walked in the door a moment before.

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I am more then willing to face whatever consequence comes from using the language I use

Apparently you're not, because with this singular exception, you seem to want the rest of the world to alter their behavior to accommodate you, rather than take two seconds to respect the sensibilities of others.  They all need to "grow up" because apparently using language of this kind is a mark of maturity.

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That is how words should be judged. By the intent behind them and not by what they actually are.

So your argument is that you swear without the intent to swear?  Because if that's not your argument, then you really just handed the whole discussion over to the other people who have been trying to tell you that they are judging your words by your intent and not by the fact that it might for example be a clever term for poopie.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: YourMathTeacher on July 02, 2011, 12:10:00 AM
They all need to "grow up" because apparently using language of this kind is a mark of maturity.

FTR, I do need to grow up. Another parent told me the same thing when I was crawling through the tubes at Chuck E. Cheese. I was taken aback, though, since I only pushed her kid out of the way after he stuck his tongue out at me and called me fat.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: The Schaef on July 02, 2011, 12:13:32 AM
Well I argue with kids 1/3 my age and I'm a man playing a child's game - or so the story goes - so I think we're in that same flotilla together.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: lp670sv on July 02, 2011, 12:22:28 AM
The majority of the time I swear it is not meant to insulting or hostile. And no using the language is not a sign of maturity, as the kids in my old middle school prove, but if you are an adult and you get upset at me for swearing in a manor that is not meant to be openly hostile to you then I do think you need to take a step back and think for a second. The intent behind a word is exactly how all words should be judged. If I'm swearing at the program i'm working on because it is doing things it's not supposed to do I would be quite perplexed if you took offense to that, as it wasn't even directed towards you. In most situations I am about 95% certain no child is within ear shot. When I am in the nerd cave of a house where the youngest person is 17 I think it's safe to say that no 5 year olds are going to hear me, especially considering I'm in the basement, I don't scream it as loud as I can, and I can hear anyone coming about 45 second before they reach a point where they would actually be able to hear me swearing under my breath.

Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: The Schaef on July 02, 2011, 12:47:52 AM
The majority of the time I swear it is not meant to insulting or hostile.

So if I call you a brainless idiot who demonstrates to me why some animals eat their young, but say it's not meant to be insulting, is that perfectly acceptable in mixed company?  Do I have the luxury of ignoring the impact those words might have had on you?

This is a common situation among people who assume that our sense of right and wrong is entirely individual and not subject to a standard: the individuality vanishes the moment someone else wrongs you without thinking themselves wrong.

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but if you are an adult and you get upset at me for swearing in a manor that is not meant to be openly hostile to you then I do think you need to take a step back and think for a second.

That's exactly my point, though.  Why are other people required to step back and think for a second about something that you imposed upon them?  That to me sounds like the exact opposite of facing the consequences of your use of language.

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In most situations I am about 95% certain no child is within ear shot.

And if I ran an electric utility that was operational 95% of the time, I would be reimbursing you for the three weeks out of every year where you had no power in your household at all.

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When I am in the nerd cave of a house... I can hear anyone coming about 45 second before they reach a point where they would actually be able to hear me swearing under my breath.

Your argument isn't about what you do when you're all alone, though, because then there would be no question about offending other people.  It's about your "right" to say whatever you want whenever you want and everybody else's "need" to accommodate your habits, but your supposed impunity from any need to accommodate anyone you deem sufficiently competent.

And if they are indeed habits, then you risk having your conditioned behavior override your better judgement when you're out of that situation.  It's not logical to presume that our actions are isolated and have no formative power on future performance.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: lp670sv on July 02, 2011, 01:14:54 AM
You seem to assume I always excursive that right. Yes I do have the rift that doesn't mean I walk around spouting off curse words at every opportunity I just don't actively avoid them
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: The Schaef on July 02, 2011, 01:49:46 AM
No one said or even implied you had to.  Frequency has no bearing on the argument at all.  It's about lacking consideration for others but expecting others to be considerate of your habits.  Bible or no Bible, moral code or no moral code, it's just not logically consistent.

Besides, if there is no moral assignation to them, why would you NOT take every opportunity to use them?  With the lone exception of your personal and subjective assessment of the mental competence of others you presume to be within earshot, you've disavowed every reason not to use them.  So what's the difference?
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: Sadness on July 02, 2011, 09:30:33 AM
Okay, I have 3 things to add to this post.

1) Would you recommend watching transformers 3 if Jesus was going to watch it with you?

2) Words are words. How you use them describes what type of person you are.

3) lp670sv-On a pm to me,can you tell me why you aren't a believer yet? I hope I'm not being offensive,but I am very curious how
you can play the game/read the Bible and yet not be a Christian. :scratch:
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: lp670sv on July 02, 2011, 12:20:08 PM
3) lp670sv-On a pm to me,can you tell me why you aren't a believer yet? I hope I'm not being offensive,but I am very curious how
you can play the game/read the Bible and yet not be a Christian. :scratch:

Yes I can.

No one said or even implied you had to.  Frequency has no bearing on the argument at all.  It's about lacking consideration for others but expecting others to be considerate of your habits.  Bible or no Bible, moral code or no moral code, it's just not logically consistent.

Besides, if there is no moral assignation to them, why would you NOT take every opportunity to use them?  With the lone exception of your personal and subjective assessment of the mental competence of others you presume to be within earshot, you've disavowed every reason not to use them.  So what's the difference?

I don't use them every time they would be appropriate because that would getting boring and repetitive. That is going to seem stupid to you but anyone who knows me knows that I get very bored of using the same words over and over and over again and try to use a wide vocabulary for no other reason then because I think saying the same thing over and over is boring. And I don't think allowing me to say what I want when it has absolutely no impact on your life as a whole should be considered openly inconsiderate. If it is a situation in which it would be inconsiderate to use the words, and I wouldn't be using them to be openly inconsiderate anyway (i.e. insults) then I generally don't use them but I don't think they should be banned altogether and I don't think anyone should be looked down upon for using words that mean nothing unless you let them.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: TheHobbit13 on July 02, 2011, 01:04:46 PM
In my experience with swearing and around swearing is that its usually used as a release of frustration directed to people or situations. This is usually because I feel insecure or really don't like somebody because I am jealous..etc All in all its part of the human condition, that is, the inabliity to measure up. But I have found that Christ's love and what he has promised us is more than enough to compensate for my inablility to measure up and that the "release" of your life to Christ is much more meaningful then the release of emotions when swearing.

Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: The Schaef on July 02, 2011, 01:45:33 PM
And I don't think allowing me to say what I want when it has absolutely no impact on your life as a whole should be considered openly inconsiderate.

All you're doing is repeating the overall point that you want people to honor the line you draw between what is and is not considerate behavior, with no intention of honoring the line they draw.  You go on about the subjective notion of "impact" as if that should be the only determining factor to act on anyone's behalf but your own.

But in modifying your language for children, you've already demonstrated that taking the extra effort around them has no impact on your life as a whole.  So your own logic removes any reason to consider your language, save one: the desire to place your wishes over the wishes of others.  In matters not related to survival (and sometimes even then), that desire is known as selfishness, and in a lot of cases, selfish behavior is thought inconsiderate.

You don't have to open a door for someone, and it won't ruin their life to have to open a door themselves.  You don't have to give your seat on the bus to an old lady who gets on, and it won't ruin her life to stand for fifteen minutes.  You don't have to shake the hand of a new associate you meet in America, or bow to one in Japan, and it won't ruin their life to go without it.  But in big actions and in small actions, the things we do reflect our priorities, and that tells people who is important in our lives.

All actions are not created equal and their impact can vary, but when they tell people "I'm important and you are not", that doesn't go unnoticed.  To wit: you may not always be aware of when people have been offended by your language and borne it in silence for your sake, but you certainly seem to have noticed when people have asked you to talk the way they think you should talk, and you don't seem to have liked it very much, regardless of its (lack of) impact.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: Prof Underwood on July 02, 2011, 11:33:51 PM
My thoughts on this subject.

#1, if lp670sv is not a Christian, then his problems with swearing are not nearly the most important issue in his life.  Hopefully, they will not be the primary focus of the relationship that he has with the people on this forum.

#2, if all words are equal, and don't have any moral value, then why not always use the ones that don't offend people?

#3, if one wants to avoid using words that offend people when they are around, then the best way to ensure that is to practice that habit all the time (even when they are not around).

#4, one may not allow any words to have added importance, but one person doesn't get to write the dictionary.  Words are defined by society in general, and therefore societies definitions should be considered.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: lp670sv on July 02, 2011, 11:47:09 PM
My thoughts on this subject.

#1, if lp670sv is not a Christian, then his problems with swearing are not nearly the most important issue in his life. 

Although I concur that any issue with swearing is hardly the biggest issue in my life, I just imagined this as causing a wave of preaching and started beating my head against the desk in a "not again" fashion
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: The Schaef on July 02, 2011, 11:51:28 PM
For my part, it was the issue that happened to arise in this thread.  Discussions in other threads are entirely unrelated to this matter.  The point I have been trying to drive home is that the logic for proper use of language need not be grounded either in theology or in societal pressures, but in common courtesy employed with common sense.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: lp670sv on July 02, 2011, 11:53:53 PM
For my part, it was the issue that happened to arise in this thread.  Discussions in other threads are entirely unrelated to this matter.  The point I have been trying to drive home is that the logic for proper use of language need not be grounded either in theology or in societal pressures, but in common courtesy employed with common sense.

I actually was going to say that at this point this should probably be moved to open discussion but its become clear this conversation isn't going to go anywhere so I think it should probably just end for now. Besides I have like 6 other threads to catch up on haha
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: JSB23 on July 09, 2011, 05:01:57 PM
Back on topic   ::)

It was a vast improvement over Transformers 2,
The writing, acting, and CGI were all better. Ken Jeong and Alan Tudyk were both entertaining
but,
there were some very, very stupid plot points.

Obviously there will be spoilers

Spoiler (hover to show)
You'd think millennia old beings put a little more thought into their "master plan"  :P


Oh and you guys are doing a great job of ministering to an unbeliever, keep up the good work  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: Alex_Olijar on July 09, 2011, 05:31:47 PM
Oh and you guys are doing a great job of ministering to an unbeliever, keep up the good work  :thumbup:

Your methods are foolproof, I know, but please remember the years before you were "enlightened". :thumbup:
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: SomeKittens on July 09, 2011, 06:06:23 PM
Good luck converting lp670sv.  I've been throwing Preaching the Truths at him all day, and all he does is mumble.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: lp670sv on July 09, 2011, 06:30:04 PM
Good luck converting lp670sv.  I've been throwing Preaching the Truths at him all day, and all he does is mumble.

Your puns are counter productive.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: Neil Da BOMB J on July 09, 2011, 07:13:00 PM
Not as 'bad' as 2.  Great action.  Worth going to. Not a bad 'moral' ,fight for liberty, either.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: Smokey on July 09, 2011, 07:22:17 PM
Good luck converting lp670sv.  I've been throwing Preaching the Truths at him all day, and all he does is mumble Murmur.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: Alex_Olijar on July 09, 2011, 08:11:49 PM
Godspeed making a rescue attempt for lp670sv.  I've been throwing Preaching the Truths at him all day, and all he does is mumble Murmur.

Fixed.

Super Fixed.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: CJSports on July 09, 2011, 08:25:45 PM
From screenit, for those who are concerned:

"What the F---?"  An incomplete "What the f---"  An incomplete "This is a total cluster f---!"  "A sad piece of sh--", "Sh-- that matters", "Sh--'s going down", "Why do the decepticons always get the good sh--?"  "This is bull----"  "Deep Wang" "D--- head", "You booty looks excellent"  "He's such a D--k"  "You've got some balls"  "What the he--"  "Such a dumb a--"  "Up my a--"  "I'll kick your a--"  "It's a bi---in robot"  "Who's chicken now, Bi---?"  "You being a smart a--", "Rich bast---"  "What the he--"  "A he-- of a time"  "Scary- a-- decepticon"  "Kicking a--"  "Get your bad a-- over here"  "You'll be nothing but Sentinel's bi---"

To sum up, at least 1 fully heard "f" word, 4 partial "f" words, 7 "s" words, 3 slang terms for male genitals, 10 "a--", 6 "he--", 3 "da--", 2 "cr--", 5 "Oh my God", 4 "My God", 3 "Jesus", 1 "God", 1 "Oh God"

Sex/nudity - Given the forum that this is in, I'm not comfortable discussing it here.  If you are concerned send me a pm.  Hope this helps in informing people.

I've cursed more then this in one sentence.

I like how this 4+ page discussion came from one little comment. Very enjoyable to read. This will definitely help me work on my arguing/convincing/comeback skills. I'm to lazy to do this so 1up every post of YMT.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: browarod on July 09, 2011, 08:45:57 PM
Crap is a bad word now? In that case, I have a lot of sins to go ask forgiveness for.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on July 09, 2011, 08:54:09 PM
Is swearing acceptable if I replace 2 to 4 characters with dashes?
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: CJSports on July 09, 2011, 09:43:23 PM
Not if you are saying a long swear like Bu--allo
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: BubbleBoy on July 09, 2011, 10:21:31 PM
Definitely better than #2. The only things I didn't like were those two little robots that were apparently supposed to be funny. I just found them creepy and obnoxious. A couple of the worst comedy relief characters IMO. Also, I couldn't take the girl's lips most of the time. Of course, the plot had a few holes as well, but what do you expect from an action movie? All-in-all, I think I would rate the movie at least an 8/10.
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: SomeKittens on July 10, 2011, 01:12:49 AM
Is swearing acceptable if I replace 2 to 4 characters with dashes?
Yes.  Example two-character replacement:
Before:
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(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ft0.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcTGNUcqlHvQTazNgLAPQErJF3qrR5cS679d_IR1FWh8VWGVkoKdog&hash=75c62d1cff6571639b7969e85341d4b2d24ee647)
After:
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funenclave.com%2Fimages%2Farcade%2Fcatch_dash1.gif&hash=1310d42aec2fe0797a139130dffb6c4b232d9775)(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funenclave.com%2Fimages%2Farcade%2Fcatch_dash1.gif&hash=1310d42aec2fe0797a139130dffb6c4b232d9775)
Title: Re: Transformers 3
Post by: Warrior_Monk on July 12, 2011, 01:21:15 AM
Eh, a friend of mine wanted to see it so I went. Much better than the first two. I'm so glad Megan Fox was gone. It made the movie 100x better.

Yeah, the movie was unrealistic, but hey, it's about robot aliens, what did you expect?
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