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Title: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: The Warrior on January 17, 2012, 11:03:13 PM: I Was just wondering if people here enjoy Screaming in music and are of the mindset that it is Great Music or of the mindset that that it requires no talents and just hurts throats and ears.
Or if you're neutral, that's fine too.

I Like Screaming and Screamo depending on my mood. :D
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: lp670sv on January 17, 2012, 11:04:57 PM: Depends on the screaming. I like "natural" sounding screams that blend well with main vocals. What I mean by that are screams that sound like what someone would actually sound like when yelling instead of them purposely dropping there voice octaves and trying to sound like a demon. I don't like the later, or songs that are 100% screams.
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: Red on January 17, 2012, 11:06:53 PM: I'll stick to actual vocals thank you.
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: SomeKittens on January 17, 2012, 11:13:59 PM: I'm not too big of a fan of screaming, but growling is ok. Just not super-low.
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on January 17, 2012, 11:17:13 PM: Not a fan. Fortunately, there's not a lot of screaming in dubstep.
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: Rawrlolsauce! on January 17, 2012, 11:36:58 PM: Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on January 17, 2012, 11:17:13 PM
Not a fan. Fortunately, there's not a lot of ~~screaming in~~ dubstep.
FTFY.
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: Minister Polarius on January 18, 2012, 01:00:45 AM: wut

Anyway, no matter what hardcore fans will tell you, it just takes much less talent to scream than to sing well. That's a fact. I'm not saying it takes no talent, but much, much less than singing. Therefore, I have zero respect for bands who are all scream and no sing, and little respect for bands that are largely screaming. That said, sometimes screaming makes a song better, and some of the songs I'd put in my top 100 have screaming.

tl;dr, screaming isn't impressive, but used sparingly and in the proper place, it's good.
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: Chronic Apathy on January 18, 2012, 01:42:24 AM: Quote from: Minister Polarius on January 18, 2012, 01:00:45 AM
wut

Anyway, no matter what hardcore fans will tell you, it just takes much less talent to scream than to sing well. That's a fact. I'm not saying it takes no talent, but much, much less than singing. Therefore, I have zero respect for bands who are all scream and no sing, and little respect for bands that are largely screaming. That said, sometimes screaming makes a song better, and some of the songs I'd put in my top 100 have screaming.

tl;dr, screaming isn't impressive, but used sparingly and in the proper place, it's good.

I don't think anybody is going to deny that say, Freddie Mercury is a better vocalist than whatever the guy is from The Devil Wears Prada, however, saying that screaming in itself is not impressive is just plain wrong. I know the techniques required to scream without killing one's voice in a matter of minutes, and it requires exactly the same kind of skill and control that singing 99% of the vocalizations in other music does (again, I'm not talking about the best of the best here, I'm talking about those that are average in their vocal abilities [Billy Joe Armstrong for instance]). I'm even just talking about people in generic post-hardcore or nu metal bands, and if they're doing it properly, they're showing off most talent than most mainstream artists who sing "normally" do. When you get into men like Rob Halford and - oh my goodness - Bruce Dickinson, then only the best of the best of pure vocalists stand up to the talent they display.
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: Minister Polarius on January 18, 2012, 09:13:15 AM: There's a difference between talent and technique. It may require the same level of proper technique to scream without blowing out your voice as it does to sing without tiring your voice, but the gap between having and not having a great voice is much larger than the gap between having and not having a good scream.

In other words, painting and physics both require a great deal of technique, but two painters of equal technique can have vastly different end results depending on their talent, while two physicists applying equal technique should get a similar answer no matter what. Singing is painting, screaming is physics.
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: lp670sv on January 18, 2012, 05:58:52 PM: Quote from: The Warrior on January 18, 2012, 05:56:12 PM
Except Classical, Classical just bores me to death
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Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: CJSports on January 18, 2012, 06:07:03 PM: I agree with lp on this one because certain bands can work it into their music and it can sound pretty cool. Good example is Red.
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on January 18, 2012, 06:08:57 PM: As an old guy, I simply cannot see myself ever enjoying the Gaither Screaming Band. ;)
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: TheHobbit13 on January 18, 2012, 06:09:19 PM: I don't like screaming that much (except for As I Lay Dying). I do enjoy growling and pigqueals. I most cases the stuff that deathcore bands do take a lot more skill than your average artist, I mean these guys have to train for yours to get this stuff down. By average I mean mostly the pop/rap genre, pitbul, jaylo, etc...
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: The Warrior on January 18, 2012, 06:14:46 PM: Quote from: lp670sv on January 18, 2012, 05:58:52 PM
Quote from: The Warrior on January 18, 2012, 05:56:12 PM
Except Classical, Classical just bores me to death
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what is that supposed to be?
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: lp670sv on January 18, 2012, 06:21:04 PM: Quote from: The Warrior on January 18, 2012, 06:14:46 PM
Quote from: lp670sv on January 18, 2012, 05:58:52 PM
Quote from: The Warrior on January 18, 2012, 05:56:12 PM
Except Classical, Classical just bores me to death
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what is that supposed to be?

snoop dog shaking his head in disapproval of what you posted. Classical may not be metalcore, but your lack of appreciation for music is disappointing.
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: The Warrior on January 18, 2012, 06:27:45 PM: Quote from: lp670sv on January 18, 2012, 06:21:04 PM
Quote from: The Warrior on January 18, 2012, 06:14:46 PM
Quote from: lp670sv on January 18, 2012, 05:58:52 PM
Quote from: The Warrior on January 18, 2012, 05:56:12 PM
Except Classical, Classical just bores me to death
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dreamwidth.org%2Fuserpic%2F52541%2F64921&hash=bf36358b9c44e1f7dbd7e9dda08f753f923b765c)
what is that supposed to be?

snoop dog shaking his head in disapproval of what you posted. Classical may not be metalcore, but your lack of appreciation for music is disappointing.
Because I Dislike one form of music makes me less than appreciative of all music? :scratch:? I Can Appreciate Music an not Enjoy it.
Is My liking of Winter Wrap-Up also "disappionting" to you??? How about the fact I Enjoy some Artists over others period???
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: lp670sv on January 18, 2012, 06:36:53 PM: Quote from: The Warrior on January 18, 2012, 06:27:45 PM
Quote from: lp670sv on January 18, 2012, 06:21:04 PM
Quote from: The Warrior on January 18, 2012, 06:14:46 PM
Quote from: lp670sv on January 18, 2012, 05:58:52 PM
Quote from: The Warrior on January 18, 2012, 05:56:12 PM
Except Classical, Classical just bores me to death
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dreamwidth.org%2Fuserpic%2F52541%2F64921&hash=bf36358b9c44e1f7dbd7e9dda08f753f923b765c)
what is that supposed to be?

snoop dog shaking his head in disapproval of what you posted. Classical may not be metalcore, but your lack of appreciation for music is disappointing.
Because I Dislike one form of music makes me less than appreciative of all music? :scratch:? I Can Appreciate Music an not Enjoy it.
Is My liking of Winter Wrap-Up also "disappionting" to you??? How about the fact I Enjoy some Artists over others period???

You said to tolerate all music except classical. you can dislike classical, but to be intolerant of it....*snoop shaking head*
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on January 18, 2012, 08:37:44 PM: Quote from: The Warrior on January 18, 2012, 06:27:45 PM
Because I Dislike one form of music makes me less than appreciative of all music? :scratch:? I Can Appreciate Music an not Enjoy it.
Is My liking of Winter Wrap-Up also "disappionting" to you??? How about the fact I Enjoy some Artists over others period???

I agree with lp670sv. Your approach was of intolerance, whether that was what you meant or not. Go back and look at your post. Perhaps you could edit your post to clarify what you meant. ;)
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: The M on January 18, 2012, 10:27:12 PM: I certainly don't mind screamo except for "Tortured Weasel" screamo. It seems to be getting more and more popular recently and I can't listen to the radio for 5 minutes without some inhuman noise being blasted into my ears. The mindless lyrics, awful groans and squeals, and terrible instruments make me lose my mind on a daily basis.
You know what I'm talking about,
Spoiler (hover to show)
Justin Bieber and Rebecca Black.
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: BubbleBoy on January 18, 2012, 10:36:29 PM: Screaming is not music. Period. Call it what you want - entertaining, interesting, bothersome - but it isn't music. It has no rhythm, no melody, no harmony, no color, not even a pleasant sound to it.

Feel free to consider this an opinion if that offends you less.
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: I am Knot a Blonde! on January 18, 2012, 11:02:46 PM: Quote from: BubbleBoy on January 18, 2012, 10:36:29 PM
Screaming is not music. Period. Call it what you want - entertaining, interesting, bothersome - but it isn't music. It has no rhythm, no melody, no harmony, no color, not even a pleasant sound to it.

Feel free to consider this an opinion if that offends you less.

That is your opinion, in my opinion, it has a great sound! alot better than even alot of singers. Its not just the screaming though. Its the combination of screaming and singing together that makes the music magical in my opinion. Ever heard of Bullet for my valentine? They are AWESOME! Not because of just their vocals, not because of just their screaming, but because of their intense combination of both. Think of screaming as silver brigade. Usually (not always) is bad by itself, but with singing makes for a beautiful song.
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: The Warrior on January 19, 2012, 04:25:59 PM: Quote from: I am Knot a Blonde! on January 18, 2012, 11:02:46 PM
Its not just the screaming though. Its the combination of screaming and singing together that makes the music magical in my opinion.
QFT*

*In my opinion %100 screaming songs aren't All Bad. I Enjoy Some of them.

Quote from: BubbleBoy on January 18, 2012, 10:36:29 PM
Screaming is not music.
Everything has a Tone, a Volume, a pitch, a Sound
Therefore Any Sound is Music.
(Whether You Enjoy it or not is up to you, But it is still Music.)
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on January 19, 2012, 04:55:53 PM: Why didn't I see this thread earlier?

I personally love metal. I understand it's not for everybody, and I understand that some don't consider it music (can't harmonize to it...). Here's why I love metal though.

The layers of low tones. Having an extra guitar (especially one that is used effectively) is rare in a band. The sound that it brings is much, much, better in my opinion. In addition, everything is lower, which makes the sound resonate more. I like resonance.
The driven sound. Call it angry if you will, but I see it as a fast paced song that moves powerfully towards it's conclusion. If that makes any sense. You get the idea of it being driven (or angry), at least, right?
The double bass pedal. So cool. It brings a lot of great rhythms and interesting beats.
The guitar riffs. Seriously, most mainstream music is really simplistic in this area. Metal brings about some pretty awesome solos and the like.

So far, it's all been instrumentals. But that's why I listen to music. I find the human voice thin and uninteresting. Once you throw in harmonies, it can get better. It really only needs to be there to create a central idea and lyrics IMO, which is important, to be sure, but definitely near the bottom for priorities on my list. However, a thin voice stacked on top of these thick instrumentals is just...weird. Even when clean vocals are used in metal songs, it's generally against a simple chorus.
inb4lambospowermetalspeech
Lambo, I'm sorry, but guys who sing as high as girls just doesn't cut it and can be pretty annoying. I mix things up every once in awhile with Secret and Whisper, but generally, it just doesn't work IMO.

I keep using IMO. This is all highly opinionated, it's about musical taste. I'm doing my best to back it up with facts though.

Anyway, since the voice is too thin to find, well, a voice against these heavy instrumentals, screaming is the only thing that seems to be able to work, and only after a lot of desensitization. #totallyworthit

So while the vocals generally suck in comparison to clean vocals, it's the best solution.

And classical is great. Romantic era only though. The rest doesn't have enough feeling for my tastes.
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: I am Knot a Blonde! on January 19, 2012, 05:04:55 PM: Quote from: The Warrior on January 19, 2012, 04:25:59 PM
Quote from: I am Knot a Blonde! on January 18, 2012, 11:02:46 PM
Its not just the screaming though. Its the combination of screaming and singing together that makes the music magical in my opinion.
QFT*

*In my opinion %100 screaming songs aren't All Bad. I Enjoy Some of them.

Quote from: BubbleBoy on January 18, 2012, 10:36:29 PM
Screaming is not music.
Everything has a Tone, a Volume, a pitch, a Sound
Therefore Any Sound is Music.
(Whether You Enjoy it or not is up to you, But it is still Music.)

I clearly put that it is not always bad, there are some exceptions. But i personally dont usually listen to all screamo in a song. It is very necessary, but is not always good to have all of the vocals screaming.

I agree with Ring Wraith, I love the fast upbeat sound of metal with guitar riggs and double bass pedals and whatnot..

Some bands make all clean vocals work, 50 50, and some even all screamo (somewhat rare though)...

Metal would not be worth listening to today if there were no bands that screamed at all. It's just a necessity. Its so very good.
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: lp670sv on January 19, 2012, 06:44:10 PM: 'My First Hardcore Song' by 8yr old Juliet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU6U-8LP1DY#ws)

LEt'S OPEN UP THIS PIT!!!! daw :}
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: SomeKittens on January 19, 2012, 06:57:15 PM: Quote from: lp670sv on January 19, 2012, 06:44:10 PM
'My First Hardcore Song' by 8yr old Juliet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU6U-8LP1DY#ws)

LEt'S OPEN UP THIS PIT!!!! daw :}
*sniff* They're so br00tal when they're young...
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: Alex_Olijar on January 19, 2012, 11:19:11 PM: That sounds like something I've heard before.

#everyhardcorebandever

Ohwait.
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: Minister Polarius on January 19, 2012, 11:27:16 PM: (https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fb.static.memegenerator.net%2Fcache%2Finstances%2F400x%2F12%2F13103%2F13417554.jpg&hash=99cc28138f1965f5f24954a876b9561465f2ec28)
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: lp670sv on January 20, 2012, 12:02:42 AM: i `think its adorable
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: Ironica on January 20, 2012, 12:30:54 AM: Screamo is not one of my styles. The issue is, however, is the fact that I enjoy the music to some of the bands that uses it a ot and when the singer actually sings, I really enjoy their voice. Yet when hey start screaming, I just turn the channel.

Example:

Wolves At The Gate (http://youtu.be/Hr2snOfMOrI)
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: Warrior_Monk on January 20, 2012, 12:52:32 AM: Quote from: Ironica on January 20, 2012, 12:30:54 AM
Screamo is not one of my styles. The issue is, however, is the fact that I enjoy the music to some of the bands that uses it a ot and when the singer actually sings, I really enjoy their voice. Yet when hey start screaming, I just turn the channel.

Example:

Wolves At The Gate (http://youtu.be/Hr2snOfMOrI)
The acoustic version is so good. I love that band...
Heralds (Acoustic) - by Wolves at the Gate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEHgKbXwzj4#)
Title: Re: Screaming in Music : + or - ?
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on January 21, 2012, 02:14:23 PM: Quote from: Ring Wraith on January 19, 2012, 04:55:53 PM
inb4lambospowermetalspeech
Lambo, I'm sorry, but guys who sing as high as girls just doesn't cut it and can be pretty annoying. I mix things up every once in awhile with Secret and Whisper, but generally, it just doesn't work IMO.

LOL, I now feel obliged to post thanks to you.

I listen to a pretty wide range of metal, but yes I do enjoy power metal, and a varied mix of vocals too.

On the growling/screaming end, I listen to stuff like Between the Buried and Me, Killswitch Engage, Five Finger Death Punch, As I Lay Dying, Becoming the Archetype, Demon Hunter, Earlier Avenged Sevenfold (new stuff is good, but the screaming is pretty much gone) Scar Symmetry (Christian Älvestam's dual singing styles was incredible), etc. Also, I don't listen to much of the stuff he is in, but Mikael Åkerfeldt is probably the KING of growling vocals. In general, I've grown to enjoy this style as much as I enjoy clean vocals. Both have a lot of "emotional power" so to speak. I will say that NOTHING But screaming or growling can get tiresome after a while (BTBAM is the exception), but when used for extreme emphasis it can be VERY powerful, like the end of the song Lost by RED. Another great example is on The Human Equation by Ayreon. Day 12: Trauma... the growling fits perfectly with the lyrics. Skip to 5:16 to hear a great example of this, the segment starts off with Åkerfeldt's clean vocals.

Ayreon - Day Twelve: Trauma (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx8dB6HQkdE#)

Oh and, this discussion of screaming would NOT be complete without the obligatory Crabcore video:

Attack Attack! - Stick Stickly (Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDzt6yI3Dw8#ws)