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You would definitely want some heavy banding in your defense so you could use Besieged as a way to get rid of PTR. Would David's Harp be better than Chariot, you think?

Hey,

Golden Calf and Confusion of Mind present a problem.  I'm going to guess the plan is to use Destruction on one and assume you don't play against any decks that use both.  With Destruction committed to Confusion of Mind, Holy Grail becomes a potential problem.  You could use an entirely genesis defense or go with a racial defense whose fortress protects from conversion, or you could depend on your ability to suicide kill whatever character got converted (although if you go with the besieged idea converting one of your banding characters and then activating HHI would put you out of luck).

And you might think of adding Wall of Protection because if your opponent can band to your Zebulun...HHI also works well to keep opponents from banding to your characters (and is a defensive card so it might be the better option, of course it can be DoNed while Wall of Protection can't).

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Hey,

Oh, and sites would be an issue for you too.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Priestly Crown could be helpful for access. The Demon defense would be a cool idea, as you would have minimal Offense and Art support, so most of what you potentially could end up drawing from top and placing/drawing from bottom would be defense, but are there 33 cards to place in a Demon defense and make it viable?      



Godspeed,
Mike

I have a deck like this in RTS.  The offense takes a few more cards than initially expected, and the deck isn't really very fun to play with or against.  You just sit there for almost the whole game.  Of course you can't attack until the end, but most turns you don't even defend because your defense is awesome enough that your opponent is too scared to attack.

As for cards that I have found to be neccessary:
Zebulun (for winning)
Chariot of Fire (for after CM)
Lampstand of the Sanctuary (for keeping CoF from getting DoN'd)
Temple (any of the 3) (for holding LotS)
DoN (for killing arts - CoM, HG, G-Cow, UW)
Captured Ark (for killing arts - CoM, HG, G-Cow, UW)
another blue GC to bring Zeb back with CoF (I like Ahimaaz since he can retreat)
SoG (for taking the anti-ignore LS)
NJ (for taking the color guard out of your purple site when you need it for access)
Wall of Protection (to keep my opponent from banding to Zeb)
CM (to kill my EC that my opponent converts and who isn't Genesis)
Kerith Revine (to protect Ahimaaz at the beginning and hold a non-Genesis converted EC at the end)
Dragon Raid (for site access)
a purple site (for ColorGuard protection at beginning and access to Pergamum at the end)
AotL to kill a small EC so that you can keep 1 or 2 cards in your hand to defend with at the end
Storehouse to keep all your enhs until you need them

This makes a total of 16 cards for your offense.  That's not much smaller than any other standard offense.  The only advantage is that it is almost completely unbeatable.  But the disadvantage is that you have to trust that your defense will completely shut your opponent down.

The two defenses that I think work best with this would be a a site lock-out or capture-based.  With the sites you don't have to have any cards to defend at the end because your opponent can't get to the LSs anyway.  With the capture based defense, you don't have to have cards in your hand because you can use Shadow to play your captures from Storehouse, and with Raider's Camp you only have to defend every other turn anyway.

You could always put P Angel in K Ravine, but I agree.  He isn't needed.

I also think I an Healing would be helpful.

Austin, READ THE POSTS!

Unfortunately, Providing Angel will shutdown Zebs ability to ignore ECs and gives you another Hero to get rid of. The idea is to keep the offense as small as possible.

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on January 26, 2009, 01:17:12 PM

why do you need them with CoF protected by LotS?

for two reasons

1. you never no when CoF is going to get DoN-ed

2. with doing this you can make your chances even higher of winning

and what is LotS

LoTS is Lampstand of the Sanctuary. It protects all cards outside of battle from Evil Dominants, aka DON and Burial

wich means you need to learn the idea muic dude!

Artifacts are outside of battle.

Hey, hey, no need to start being rude.

@ the musicain: Are you saying that David's Harp affects heroes in battle?  That doesn't matter for LotS.

so what are you saying then?

From the very first post:

How big does a Zebulun based offense need to be in order to be successful?

I think you could use Zebulun, Benjamin, I Am Redemption, Chariot of Fire, Solomon's Temple and Lampstand of the Sanctuary. If you add in Son of God, New Jerusalem and Guardian of your Souls and Destruction of Nehushtan you have 10 cards. That means outside of your 7 lost souls you could add 33 cards to a 50 card deck.

Except that side-battles END Zebulin offenses so fast.

There isn't really much you can do against side-battles. They're the wildcard that is able to defeat the undefeatable strategies. Other than a PoM with lampstands up, a well constructed side-battle Prophet/Babylonian or Prophet/Sadducee or Prophet/Egyptian or Prophet/Site deck is basically only vulnerable to bad draws.

Did your defense address the issue of Pharaoh's Throne Room/Golden Calf? What happened if somebody used Holy Grail to convert one of your EC's?

Ahhh yes... Zebulun... the start of my evil offences.

I havent used this one in a while... so I guess it wont hurt to post it.

Lamb Dominants: 4
   Angel of the Lord
   Guardian Of Your Souls
   New Jerusalem
   Son of God

Fortresses: 2
   Kerith Ravine
   Storehouse

Artifacts: 1
   Chariot of Fire

Multi-Color Heroes: 1
   Melchizedek (Teal)

Gold Heroes: 1
   Noah's Sons

Blue Heroes: 2
   Jacob
   Zebulun

Multi-Color Hero Enhancements: 1
   Melchizedek's Blessing (Teal)

Gold Hero Enhancements: 1
   Built on the Rock

Blue Hero Enhancements: 3
   Journey to Egypt
   Reuben's Torn Clothes
   The Body of Christ

I had a Zebulun offense that worked really well.  It consisted of these cards:

Angel of the Lord
New Jerusalem
Son of God
Blue Tassels (to get around Writ and King Zed/DoM cuz sometimes you need to attack with 1 card)
Chariot of Fire
Lampstand of the Sanctuary
Kerith Ravine (protect Zeb if you draw him early but mostly to hide Ahimaaz so Zeb works)
The Tabernacle
Ahimaaz (withdraw to trigger Chariot so unlike Ben they can't block with a 1/1 to get inish to LuG your Chariot/LoTS)
Zebulun

No site access Gabe?

Agreed. I mentioned it earlier but it was ignored.

Prof, check mine. I fixed the site access and egyptian problem in one card. 

Yeah I saw it in yours, and liked it.  I was just surprised Gabe didn't have anything and assumed that it was just left out by accident.

My only problem with yours was that Jake+RTC seemed unnecessary, and you didn't include artifact killers like DoN or Captured Ark to get rid of CoM and G-Cow (or Holy Grail giving you a non-Genesis hero).

No site access Gabe?

Yes, I overlooked that.  I used Dragon Raid and the defense had several single color Sites of different brigades including purple (to get around Pergamum).

Journey to Egypt is the bane of my existence.  It almost makes me want to change the answer to "if you could ban only one card..." 

I completely agree.