Author Topic: Turtle (Read 7464 times)

jtay · « **on:** July 04, 2010, 05:27:57 PM »

I think it's high time that I built a deck that represented my play style of choice. And stuck with it. I have always been drawn to the Turtle style in most games. I want some help with developing a deck that will be 100% turtle and will annoy the crud out of people. I'm not interested in winning any huge tournaments here, I just want to have fun doing what I've always wanted to do.

I do have one false constraint, though: I don't want my deck to fall into any archetypical category. That means, for example, that I would be okay with using some Sadducees, but I don't want my deck to be a "Sadducee deck"; or I would be okay with using Abom, but I don't want it to be an "Abom deck" either.

That being said, here's the basic concepts that I had in mind:
- Make my opponent unable to attack.
- Make minimal attacks with my own heroes.
- Eliminate my opponent's SoG, NJ, or GoyS.
- Win by playing my own SoG/NJ (and maybe AotL) and timing out with a score of 2 or 3 to 0 or 1.

Here's some of my ideas for the actual content of the deck:
- 90-95% Evil cards. The few good cards will assist the evil (Zaccheus and maybe some side battles).
- Probably mostly Pale Green and Black (and maybe a tiny bit of Orange).
- Confusion and High Priest's Plot are musts.
- Posterity Removed to take out characters in their hand.
- Anti-CoF and Anti-Healing cards (Cornered, The Power of Death, Incurable).
- Pale Green paralysis cards.
- High Places is a must

All suggestions are welcome.

The Warrior · « **Reply #1 on:** July 04, 2010, 05:33:34 PM »

magicians+Philly

Master KChief · « **Reply #2 on:** July 04, 2010, 05:49:42 PM »

cool, the guy from your link was the lead designer for street fighter hd remix.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #3 on:** July 04, 2010, 05:56:32 PM »

Altar of Ahaz is a must.

jtay · « **Reply #4 on:** July 04, 2010, 05:57:04 PM »

Quote from: The Warrior on July 04, 2010, 05:33:34 PM

magicians+Philly

Quote from: jtay on July 04, 2010, 05:27:57 PM

I don't want my deck to fall into any archetypical category.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 04, 2010, 06:05:14 PM »

How about a Peter's Mother in-law tank deck?

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #6 on:** July 05, 2010, 01:24:04 AM »

Quote from: jtay on July 04, 2010, 05:27:57 PM

- Make my opponent unable to attack.

This screams sites

Quote from: jtay on July 04, 2010, 05:27:57 PM

- Make minimal attacks with my own heroes.

This screams Zebulun

Quote from: jtay on July 04, 2010, 05:27:57 PM

- Eliminate my opponent's SoG, NJ, or GoyS.

This screams Confusion, High Priest's Plot, and Desecrate the Temple

Quote from: jtay on July 04, 2010, 05:27:57 PM

- Probably mostly Pale Green and Black (and maybe a tiny bit of Orange).

Forget orange and put in Crimson. They have great ECs and Desecrate the Temple.

Quote from: jtay on July 04, 2010, 05:27:57 PM

- Pale Green paralysis cards.

Let me know if you get this to work. I tried it for a while, and never could get it to work.

jtay · « **Reply #7 on:** July 05, 2010, 02:24:23 AM »

Sites won't quite do the trick, though they could help out some. I want my opponent to be able to do ABSOLUTELY nothing, so that includes attacking (which could let them draw stuff, discard stuff, force me to defend, etc.). Zebulun sounds interesting, so I'll definitely look into that. High Priest's Plot and Desecrate the Temple make me a bit uneasy. I really want to use them, but I also want to make sure that I'm not building my deck around the "Sadducees" and "Babylonians" archetypes; I want my playstyle to determine the cards I use and not vice versa. And you're right about the paralysis stuff. After going through the cards again, I found that only one of the paralysis cards contains the word "place," so all the others wouldn't work so well.

If I were to use Desecrate the Temple, High Priest's Plot, and Abomination of Desolation, how many Babylonians, Sadducees, and Greeks should I include in the deck to ensure a good probability of getting to use them? Also which ones? (Assuming a ~56 card deck.)

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #8 on:** July 05, 2010, 02:27:47 AM »

Quote from: jtay on July 05, 2010, 02:24:23 AM

I really want to use them, but I also want to make sure that I'm not building my deck around the "Sadducees" and "Babylonians" archetypes;

I guarantee you that there is no archetype that uses Pale Green, Black, AND Crimson. Using 3 evil brigades in a serious way (not just splash defense) is definitely out there as far as deck ideas go

Townsend · « **Reply #9 on:** July 05, 2010, 09:53:58 AM »

I built a deck on RTS it was prabably 90% defense I used Assyrians and Philis they are realy fun when you have enough of them.(sadly then I realized Ashdod doesnt let philis play pale green)

Shofarblower · « **Reply #10 on:** July 05, 2010, 12:00:52 PM »

It is more of a stall tactic, but Samaritan's Water Jar has the potential to cripple many decks for a long time.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #11 on:** July 05, 2010, 12:23:08 PM »

Have you looked into heroless?

jtay · « **Reply #12 on:** July 05, 2010, 02:16:01 PM »

Quote from: Shofarblower on July 05, 2010, 12:00:52 PM

It is more of a stall tactic, but Samaritan's Water Jar has the potential to cripple many decks for a long time.

That seems like a good idea. The only issue is that there will be no other benefit to having Samaritan characters in this deck. Do you think it would be worth putting in, even if I would only get to set aside their top 3 cards?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #13 on:** July 05, 2010, 02:24:18 PM »

I think this goes beyond heroless

Red · « **Reply #14 on:** July 05, 2010, 02:26:58 PM »

Quote from: jtay on July 05, 2010, 02:16:01 PM

Quote from: Shofarblower on July 05, 2010, 12:00:52 PM
It is more of a stall tactic, but Samaritan's Water Jar has the potential to cripple many decks for a long time.
That seems like a good idea. The only issue is that there will be no other benefit to having Samaritan characters in this deck. Do you think it would be worth putting in, even if I would only get to set aside their top 3 cards?

you put in a samtin and get the top NINE.

777Godspeed · « **Reply #15 on:** July 05, 2010, 02:34:07 PM »

The Brown place cards that decrease heroes + Plagued with Diseases can be quite paralyzing, annoying and decreases an opponents offense. Add some sites in there for stall factor (new Disciples sites anyone?) and you have created a Turtle.

Godspeed,
Mike

jtay · « **Reply #16 on:** July 05, 2010, 03:22:38 PM »

Quote from: 777Godspeed on July 05, 2010, 02:34:07 PM

The Brown place cards that decrease heroes + Plagued with Diseases can be quite paralyzing, annoying and decreases an opponents offense. Add some sites in there for stall factor (new Disciples sites anyone?) and you have created a Turtle.

Godspeed,
Mike

I had actually thought of doing something just like this. 4 evil brigades sounds like a bit much, though. Is this concept powerful enough to merit taking one of the other brigades out?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #17 on:** July 05, 2010, 03:29:03 PM »

If the vast majority of your deck is evil, you might be able to pull this off. Might.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #18 on:** July 05, 2010, 03:42:36 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on July 05, 2010, 02:24:18 PM

I think this goes beyond heroless

Offenseless? Maybe I'm missing something but we're talking about a deck that defends all game then goes to offense for a quick win right?

jtay · « **Reply #19 on:** July 05, 2010, 03:53:56 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on July 05, 2010, 03:42:36 PM

Quote from: SomeKittens on July 05, 2010, 02:24:18 PM
I think this goes beyond heroless
Offenseless? Maybe I'm missing something but we're talking about a deck that defends all game then goes to offense for a quick win right?

I think Kittens is right, this does go beyond heroless. While going on offense at the end is a possibility, it is not a goal of the deck. I have no intentions of having any enhancements to assist my heroes in winning any battles. Dominants are the only cards that I expect to win souls. If Zebulun happens to get me an extra soul at the end of the game, then that'll just be a pleasant surprise.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #20 on:** July 05, 2010, 04:10:23 PM »

Ah, then you'll be wanting to ask Micheal hue if you can. He took an offense-less deck nationals (2008) designed to do nothing but defend. It would win 2-0 (or was designed to)

SomeKittens · « **Reply #21 on:** July 05, 2010, 04:11:15 PM »

There's a new type of deck for you, RR: Annoying.

777Godspeed · « **Reply #22 on:** July 05, 2010, 07:52:50 PM »

Quote from: jtay on July 05, 2010, 03:22:38 PM

Quote from: 777Godspeed on July 05, 2010, 02:34:07 PM
The Brown place cards that decrease heroes + Plagued with Diseases can be quite paralyzing, annoying and decreases an opponents offense. Add some sites in there for stall factor (new Disciples sites anyone?) and you have created a Turtle.

Godspeed,
Mike
I had actually thought of doing something just like this. 4 evil brigades sounds like a bit much, though. Is this concept powerful enough to merit taking one of the other brigades out?

I believe 4 evil brigades is a bit scattered to pull off the Brown Place/Decrease Stall style. Maybe focus with Brown and splash 2 others? Too many and your deck gets discombobulated and ponderous.

Godspeed,
Mike

Shofarblower · « **Reply #23 on:** July 05, 2010, 07:57:28 PM »

If you are going to put more than 3 brigades in, I suggest Storehouse or Tables of the Law (or both). You will most likely get enh. from one brigade and ec's from another. These will help you not have to dc your much needed enh while waiting on the ec's that use them.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 05, 2010, 08:06:03 PM »

Go with a 50 card philistine/zeb site lock it can work.

ChristianSoldier · « **Reply #25 on:** July 08, 2010, 05:47:33 PM »

Put in Bronze Laver to add a bit of card filtering in (if you have an empty artifact slot) since it works with evil enhancements it should be usable all the time, plus I think there is a Pale Green character who can reveal the bottom card and if its evil it does something.

marc · « **Reply #26 on:** July 08, 2010, 06:23:12 PM »

here is my two cents...

1. Black is an awesome brigade for this. its even best not to stick to one civilization either. Philly's are amazing on their own for site lock (completely lock if you wish to devote the card space), recurring, and brute killing power. Sadducees for HPP and Urim and Thummim. Wrath of Satan with Cornered is sweet and you can do anything you want again with Pride of Simon or King Amon (with Manassa as PO fodder).

2. Pale gree and Crimson are would be my next choices for Confusion, Desecrate the Temple (as was mentioned). both also have lots of tricky things they can do like Magician stuff, Great Image, the Horses, and the Babylonians have Nebby and Imitating Evil.

3. Sites would be good for sure! if not for lockout than for Color guard, Ashdod, possibly Herod's temple for un neggateable capture with that temple guard. black and crimson work well with sites you know (yes im sure u do)

4. if you wanted Zebby than you would have to keep him safe. what are the odd you opponent will get rid of CM? and if you lay him down and ur opponent gets wise Zebby will be toast. also have to watch nuking him with Wrath. so if u do have him you'll need space for Keirth Ravine, Healling card or two, couple of those protect from capture Covs...etc. sure Zebby can't be blocked but your opponent will have an Unholy Writ or CM or 30 Pieces or somthing and all it takes is one hit.

5. i build a 63 card site lock deck with Philly's (brown/black) and it did well. Zebby was in there. PO, Zaccheus, and Angel of Warning helped pull my ECs and forts out which made the deck more effective. and the heros simply burned more of my opponents defense (Unholy Writ, Amalkite Slave, Sabbath Breaker, Uzzah, etc)

anyway there is lots of potential for this strategy. lots of fun to use!!! hope i helped a little bit.
God Bless!
marc = )

D-man · « **Reply #27 on:** July 13, 2010, 09:48:31 AM »

If you really want a deck that limits opponents to 1 or 0 redeemed souls, you're going to want at least 63 cards, maybe 70. You'll need to be able to outlast any offense. With only 56 cards, your defense won't be that much bigger than the offense in a defenseless deck and if they play their cards right you might run out of defense, especially with 3 different evil brigades.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #28 on:** July 13, 2010, 09:49:17 AM »

Quote from: D-man on July 13, 2010, 09:48:31 AM

If you really want a deck that limits opponents to 1 or 0 redeemed souls, you're going to want at least 63 cards, maybe 70. You'll need to be able to outlast any offense. With only 56 cards, your defense won't be that much bigger than the offense in a defenseless deck and if they play their cards right you might run out of defense, especially with 3 different evil brigades.

jtay · « **Reply #29 on:** July 13, 2010, 05:27:22 PM »

Wow, this is the first time that I've ever been told to make a deck larger than 56. Fine by me. I've always felt 56 was too limiting for most of the strategies that I've devised.

So I've been doing some thinking on which brigades that I want to use.

Black seems to be a must. Wrath of Satan and High Priest's Plot are going to be very important to this deck, and Cornered has been on my "cards I want to use" list for a while now.

Since Pale Green has Confusion, which is the most versatile of the dominant killing cards, I think I'm going to have to use that.

I'm not sure about what other brigade I want to use. I still want to use The Power of Death, but I know that I don't want to use orange. Brown is very tempting. CoM + Siege + All Hope Lost + Darkness would be an awesome combo to pull off as well as Plagued with Diseases + Face of Death. It also has Image of Jealousy. I looked a little bit into Crimson, and, despite having Desecrate the Temple, I don't think I want to use it. The cards that I wanted to use didn't coalesce well with Babylonians. Plus, Babylonians do a lot of capturing, and I know that I don't want to do any of that (or at least not much).

I would also like to have a way to search for Confusion or HPP. If anyone has some ideas of how to do that, I would appreciate them.

Keep the suggestions coming. I am not very good at building decks, so I'm going to need all the help I can get if I'm going to make this deck a reality.

that one kid · « **Reply #30 on:** July 13, 2010, 05:38:02 PM »

turtle= slow. slow= stall. stall= David's harp/chamber of angels.

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #31 on:** July 14, 2010, 01:39:40 PM »

Divination can pull out evil cards faster. It won't let you "search" for Confusion/High Priest's Plot, but can get them quicker.

Kirk

The M · « **Reply #32 on:** August 20, 2010, 04:23:04 PM »

Quote from: jtay on July 05, 2010, 02:24:23 AM

Sites won't quite do the trick, though they could help out some. I want my opponent to be able to do ABSOLUTELY nothing, so that includes attacking (which could let them draw stuff, discard stuff, force me to defend, etc.). Zebulun sounds interesting, so I'll definitely look into that. High Priest's Plot and Desecrate the Temple make me a bit uneasy. I really want to use them, but I also want to make sure that I'm not building my deck around the "Sadducees" and "Babylonians" archetypes; I want my playstyle to determine the cards I use and not vice versa. And you're right about the paralysis stuff. After going through the cards again, I found that only one of the paralysis cards contains the word "place," so all the others wouldn't work so well.

If I were to use Desecrate the Temple, High Priest's Plot, and Abomination of Desolation, how many Babylonians, Sadducees, and Greeks should I include in the deck to ensure a good probability of getting to use them? Also which ones? (Assuming a ~56 card deck.)

have you tried an egyptian discard deck?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #33 on:** August 21, 2010, 02:19:49 AM »

Quote from: The M on August 20, 2010, 04:23:04 PM

have you tried an egyptian discard deck?

Yes.

That is all.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #34 on:** August 21, 2010, 02:59:24 AM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on August 21, 2010, 02:19:49 AM

Quote from: The M on August 20, 2010, 04:23:04 PM
have you tried an egyptian discard deck?
Yes.

That is all.

The M · « **Reply #35 on:** August 22, 2010, 03:28:34 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on August 21, 2010, 02:59:24 AM

Quote from: SomeKittens on August 21, 2010, 02:19:49 AM
Quote from: The M on August 20, 2010, 04:23:04 PM
have you tried an egyptian discard deck?
Yes.

That is all.

all wut?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #36 on:** August 22, 2010, 04:09:23 PM »

Egyptian deck discard is much fun. Especially when the first two cards you kill are CM and AotL.

Mr.Hiatus · « **Reply #37 on:** August 23, 2010, 10:38:03 PM »

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This screams Zebulun

No this screams Watchful Servant.

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