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Title: Set-aside Defense
Post by: Gabe on October 18, 2009, 11:00:36 PM: Can a defense based on set asides work? Here's what I came up with for starters. What else might be good to include?

Darius' Decree
Lion's Den
Mildewed House
Lost Soul (shame)
Self
The Amalekites' Slave
High Priest's Maid
King Ahaz
King Jeroboam I
Haman
Persian Presidents
The Thief
Deceiving Spirit
Users of Curious Arts
Torment
Image of Jealousy
Nebuchadnezzar's Pride
Moses kills Egyptian
Two Possessed by Demons
Infectious Diseases
Title: Re: Set-aside Defense
Post by: Isildur on October 18, 2009, 11:33:50 PM: Would your plan being seting aside hereos with evil cards? or setting aside evil characters to do cool things?
Title: Re: Set-aside Defense
Post by: lightningninja on October 19, 2009, 12:09:17 AM: Yeah. Also, I found that you can make a sweet deck with evil set asides, use them in battle to set aside your opponent's defense, and your offense uses set asides in battle to set aside your opponent's offense.

But for this... absolutely. I'm sure it could work. Would remove from the game count? :D
Title: Re: Set-aside Defense
Post by: Gabe on October 23, 2009, 10:30:09 AM: Quote from: Isildur on October 18, 2009, 11:33:50 PM
Would your plan being seting aside hereos with evil cards? or setting aside evil characters to do cool things?

My original plan was to set aside my opponent's Heroes so I could abuse things like Darius' Decree and Persian Presidents. Another advantage is that there really isn't any protection against a set-aside defense.

I don't see any reason we couldn't incorperate using set-asides to do cool things with our own Evil Characters. What did you have in mind?

Quote from: lightningninja on October 19, 2009, 12:09:17 AM
Yeah. Also, I found that you can make a sweet deck with evil set asides, use them in battle to set aside your opponent's defense, and your offense uses set asides in battle to set aside your opponent's offense.

Is that even legal? I was under the impression that my evil set-asides could only set aside my Evil Characters or my opponent's Heroes.

Quote from: REG > Instant Abilities > Set-Aside > How to Use > Targets of Ability
By default, your good set-aside cards target only your own Heroes, but can target Evil Characters of any player. Likewise, your evil set-aside cards can target only your own Evil Characters, but can target Heroes of any player.

Set-aside cards may not be played on your opponent’s characters unless the set-aside card states that you may.
Title: Re: Set-aside Defense
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on October 23, 2009, 10:59:32 AM: That defense is gonna rely heavily on King J 1 if you run into more than like, 5 heros. XD
Title: Re: Set-aside Defense
Post by: BubbleBoy on October 23, 2009, 11:03:35 AM: Add some sitelock to that strategy and it might work. Otherwise...nnnnnno, I don't think so.
Title: Re: Set-aside Defense
Post by: Gabe on October 23, 2009, 11:12:14 AM: Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on October 23, 2009, 10:59:32 AM
That defense is gonna rely heavily on King J 1 if you run into more than like, 5 heros. XD

That's a list of potential cards that could be included in a set-aside defense, not a complete defense in itself. That list is pretty spread out among different brigades. I'm sure it needs to be fine tuned. Even still, I count 8 ways to set aside an opponent's Hero and a couple of them can get more than one Hero at a time.

You're a defensive expert, Lambo. What suggestions do you have to make it work better against a deck with more than 5 Heroes?

Quote from: BubbleBoy on October 23, 2009, 11:03:35 AM
Add some sitelock to that strategy and it might work.

Site lock seems like a natural fit since there are already two Sites on the list. With all that brown in there Taking Naboth's Vineyard seems like an obvious choice. What else do you think should be incorperated?
Title: Re: Set-aside Defense
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on October 23, 2009, 11:45:15 AM: I haven't really thought about doing this type of a defense before, but I feel a sitelock + setaside defense could work.

Rough version I just made:

Cards in deck: 35
Lost Souls: 7
   Lost Soul (Color Guard)
   Lost Soul (deck discard)
   Lost Soul (Female Only)
   Lost Soul (N.T. only)
   Lost Soul (shame)
   Lost Soul (Site Discard)
   Lost Soul (Wanderer)

Fortresses: 2
   High Places
   Kingdoms of the World

White Sites: 1
   Mildewed House

Red Sites: 3
   Babylon
   Lion's Den
   Lion's Den

Green Sites: 1
   Babylonian Banquet Hall

Blue Sites: 1
   Hormah

Purple Sites: 1
   Pergamum

White Covenant Cards: 2
   Plagued with Diseases (Brown)
   Wastelands (Orange)

Crimson Evil Characters: 1
   Red Dragon

Brown Evil Characters: 5
   Haman
   King Ahaz
   King Jeroboam I
   King Nadab
   Persian Presidents

Multi-Color Evil Enhancements: 2
   Demonic Blockade (orange/brown)
   Two Possessed by Demons (Orange)

Crimson Evil Enhancements: 1
   Nebuchadnezzar's Pride

Brown Evil Enhancements: 5
   Image of Jealousy
   Siege
   Taking Naboth's Vineyard
   Threatened Lives
   Weakness

It seems a sitelock version of this would ONLY work in large defenses, which is what I'm used to. ;)
Title: Re: Set-aside Defense
Post by: King Leo on January 10, 2010, 05:36:44 PM: How bout a Zeresh advises Haman card in that.