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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Deck Building & Design => Deck Concepts => Topic started by: Professoralstad on December 17, 2009, 03:41:29 PM
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Rules:
1. Download Chris Bany's Pricelist 9.0 from http://www.covenantgames.com/card_market.htm (http://www.covenantgames.com/card_market.htm). In this spreadsheet, every card in the game is numbered 10-2191
2. Find a random number generator, like www.random.org (http://www.random.org).
3. Generate 49 random numbers between 10-2191 (random.org generates integers, so you don't need to worry about the 4.879613rd card), and make sure to record them somehow. If any numbers repeat, try again.
4. Find the cards corresponding to those numbers. If any are Lost Souls (except the Hopper) or dominants, generate that many more random numbers until you have 49-non LS/dominant cards.
5. Add however many Lost Souls you need to have 7 total (8 if you drew the hopper). If your deck total is less than 56, generate enough numbers to get 56, ignoring any LS's or dominants drawn. If you have too many LS's, then choose 7 of the ones that were selected, again excluding the Hopper.
6. Post your deck here.
EDIT: Alternatively, you can use Cameron's modified spreadsheet on the next page of this thread, and it should go much faster.
I figure it would be fun if anyone has time to do this. I have finals today and tomorrow, so I won't do it now, but hopefully I can soon. I'm just interested to see what someone comes up with. And maybe there can be a few games between random decks.
Tips: If you want to make it easier to find the right cards, put your numbers in an Excel file, and do a sort by selecting all the cells containing your numbers, right clicking, and selecting sort.
Eventually if there is enough interest, I hope to have some sort of tournament wherein the winner will receive a randomly selected UR, Promo, or TxP (excluding Faithful Servant, Grapes of Wrath, and some of the newest and oldest Promos, which I don't have available), that is I will generate random numbers until a number for an UR, promo or TxP comes up, and that will be the prize.
Good luck!
Yay Randomness!
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So you are trying to build a deck, kind of like a booster draft, where you are randomly picking from all cards and sets? If so, are you wanting me to do that for all of the cards and then pick the best few decks, or do you want me to just do a couple of decks?
I'm a Stat Major, so I LOVE stuff like this! So let me know which way you want to do this, I could do every card in the game like this in a hour or so!
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So you are trying to build a deck, kind of like a booster draft, where you are randomly picking from all cards and sets? If so, are you wanting me to do that for all of the cards and then pick the best few decks, or do you want me to just do a couple of decks?
I'm a Stat Major, so I LOVE stuff like this! So let me know which way you want to do this, I could do every card in the game like this in a hour or so!
You can make as many decks as you want, just so long as they are random (randomly selected without replacement, of course). I haven't come up with all the details for a tourney, as I want to make sure there's enough interest for it to be worthwhile, but I'm pretty sure it will be where you can make as many decks as you want and choose your favorite for the tourney.
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So if you draw a dominant number you don't get to use it, I.E. no dominant decks?
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So if you draw a dominant number you don't get to use it, I.E. no dominant decks?
Right. Since it is theoretically possible for someone to get SoG/NJ after enough tries, I decided no doms would be best. I'm definitely open to seeing what other randomly generated combos might show up though.
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Bummer.... 550 is the greek SoG..... 3rd number I pulled...
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Cards in deck: 56
Lost Souls: 7
Lost Soul
Lost Soul
Lost Soul
Lost Soul
Lost Soul
Lost Soul
Lost Soul (shuffler)
Multi-Color Sites: 1
New Jerusalem (site)
White Sites: 1
Golgotha
Green Sites: 1
Samaria
Artifacts: 2
Gifts of the Magi
Stalks of Flax
White Heroes: 1
Mary
Red Heroes: 2
Abishai
Dodai the Ahohite
Gold Heroes: 1
Archippus
Green Heroes: 2
Bezaleel
Nathan
Blue Heroes: 1
Jair
Purple Heroes: 2
King Jehoshaphat
The Magi
Multi-Color Hero Enhancements: 1
Helmet of Salvation
White Hero Enhancements: 5
Antidote
Burning Bush
Consider the Lilies
No Need for Spices
Withered Hand
Red Hero Enhancements: 1
Goodness
Gold Hero Enhancements: 2
Built on the Rock
Highway
Green Hero Enhancements: 2
Clemency of David
Interceding for Battle
Blue Hero Enhancements: 1
Balm of Gilead
Purple Hero Enhancements: 2
Coat of Mail
Elisha's Bones
Crimson Evil Characters: 1
Sapphira
Gold Evil Characters: 2
Chief Captain Lysias
Taskmaster
Pale Green Evil Characters: 3
King Shalmaneser V
Pagan Priest
Prince of this World
Black Evil Characters: 1
Cain
Brown Evil Characters: 3
Haman
King Nadab
Shimei
Crimson Evil Enhancements: 3
Boasting of Strength
Political Bribes
Selfish Ambition
Gold Evil Enhancements: 1
Egyptian Horses
Pale Green Evil Enhancements: 2
Filthy Garments
Two Thousand Horses
Black Evil Enhancements: 1
Mask of Self-glorification
Gray Evil Enhancements: 2
Deepening Lie
Desolation of Tamar
Brown Evil Enhancements: 2
Boils
Jeroboam's Idolatry
Ok... So yeah.... I have some nice things, and some funny things, and some not so nice things,
Nice things -
Prince of this World - Immunity is (I think) Going to be huge in these types of decks
Red Banding - Those guys are awesome
Stalks of Flax - Trade away my crummy characters for ones that match my colors? Yes please!
The healing enhancements - These could be very handy, especially Elisha's bones which gives me numbers
Funny things -
The Magi + Gifts of the Magi
King Shalmenser + Samaria
The Mary - Yeah she's the december one.
Haman is the promo version also
Not so Nice things -
Two gray enhancements, but no characters to play them on.
Two cards that really like Hur, but no Hur
I got a ton of nice white enhancements, but only one character for them.
I pulled a SoG, but couldn't put it in...Sad...
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I would include Sapphira in the nice things on that.
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I thought I had... Odd, yeah she's nice, but I would rather have say like KoT ;) I fear that even with Political Bribes backing her up she'l get run over by numbers.
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Stalks of Flax is a really nice draw.
Here's the deck the Internets made for me:
Lost Soul x7
Artifacts
David's Harp
White Heroes
Peter's Mother-In-Law
Green Heroes
Joanna
King Hezekiah
Philemon
Green Brigade Enhancements
Rhoda's Gladness
Edge of the Sword
Silver Heroes
Kira
Strengthening Angel
Silver Good Enhancements
Spiritual Protection
Blue Heroes
Tribal Elder
Demetrius
Mark (Un/L)
Blue Good Enhancement
Strength
Balm of Gilead (C/D 2002)
Gold Heroes
Israelite Archer
Deborah
Mary of Bethany
Ehud (roa)
Purple Heroes
Ananias of Damascus
Red Heroes
Men of Judah
Jephthah
Red Good Enhancements
The Harvest
Teal Heroes
Jehoiada the High Priest
Zecharias, Father of John
Multicolor Good Enhancements
Helmet of Salvation
Spiritual Warfare
Evil Fortessses
Rome
Gray Characters
Saph
Gray Evil Enhancements
Separate Ways
Stolen Blessing
Crimson Evil Characters
Nebuchanezzar (txp)
Crimson Evil Enhancements
Quarreling
Merodach Worship (pt)
Black Evil Characters
Simon the Magician
Sadducees (4 in front)
Philistine Armor Bearer
Black Evil Enhancements
Yoke of Iron
Poison (C/D)
Yellow Evil Characters
Egyptian Charioteers
Egyptian Horses
Yellow Evil Enhancements
Lahmi's Spear
Brown Evil Characters
Haman (promo)
Athaliah
Brown Evil Enhancements
Paul's Girdle
Cruelty
Boils (C/D)
Pale Green Characters
Women as Snares
Pale Green Enhancements
Death of Jacob
There were several epic characters in there. If I got Jephthah, Spiritual Protection, and Joanna out quickly, and my opponent was playing TGT, I might have a shot a killing a real deck. Otherwise, I'm in trouble.
Tribal Elder + Israelite Archer + Men of Judah is pretty sweet... especially with David's Harp :)
Defense won't stop anyone, but might do enough damage in a TGT soulfest.
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Yeah, I really like the band you got, especially because you can steal opponents characters.
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Here are the ones that have intrigued me!
Black Curse:
Carcasses
Blue:
Mark (C/D)
Noah
Helmet of Brass (WA)
Jacob's Grandsons
Jacob's New Name
Gold:
Othniel
Shamhuth (WA)
Green:
Abel (C/D)
Miriam (C/D)
Nahum
Patience (C/D)
Tears for a Friend (C/D)
Purple:
Esther (P)
Parmenas
Meditation (UN)
Royal Protection
The Branch
The Vineyard
Red:
Tabitha
Forest Fire
Goods Recovered
Silver:
Angel of His Presence
Seraph
The Fifth Seal
White:
Ittai (K)
Battle Neutralized
Multi-Color:
Confused
Pentecost
Sword of the Spirit (UN)
Black:
High Priest's Maid
Sadducees (4 in front)
Simon the Magician
Flogging
Worship of Milcom
Brown:
Morgan
Zimri, son of Salu
Sick Unto Death
Threatened Lives
Gold:
Urijah the High Priest
Evil Armor (C/D)
Gray:
High Priest Caiaphas
Chains (C/D)
Divisions in the Church
Pale Green:
Ashtaroth Worship (Boulden)
Carelessness
Demonic Mist
Disuading Speech
Multi-Color:
Dance of Death
Even though Shamhuth doesn't have any gold enhancements, he still could win a soul or two in this style. I like the idea of Seraph of being able to band to all of my Green characters. The only "wasted" cards are the Pale Green Enhancements.
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Lost Soul x 7
Artifacts:
Holy of Holies (PS)
King's Sword (C/D)
Miraculous Handkerchiefs
Ram's Horn (PS)
Tables of the Law (G/H)
Red Site:
Dangerous Way
Blue Enhancements:
Answer to Prayer
Pillar of Truth
Sarah's Beauty
Gold Enhancements:
Angel Food (Essen95 promo)
Peace
Green Enhancement:
Trust in the Lord
Purple Enhancements:
Asa's Good Reign
Prophecy of Eldad & Medad
Red:
Hushai
Sound the Alarm (C/D)
Silver:
Captain of the Host (WA)
Cherubim (5/5)
Witnesses to Creation
Teal:
Amariah the High Priest
Perpetual Priesthood
Phineas' Spear
White:
Jochebed
Moses and Elders
Multi-Color Enhancements:
Burning Censer (FooF)
Passover & Unleavened Bread
Fountains of Living Water
Shield of Faith (UN)
Black Character:
Bear (C/D)
Brown:
Angry Mob
Seeds of Rebellion
Crimson:
Breaking Through
Going to their Deaths
Nebuchadnezzar's Pride
Peter's Lie
Quarreling
Gold:
King Basha
King Elah
Taskmaster (C/D)
Building Egypt
Gray Characters:
Abihu (C/D)
Emperor Nero
Orange Enhancements:
Built on Sand
Destructive Sin
Poison of Dragons (PS)
Pale Green:
Controlling Demon
Prince of this World (WA)
Achan's Sin
Human Wisdom
There are several "useless" cards but the fact that Nero and Prince of this World are in the same defense, makes it pretty good. Captain is always a plus too! There are a ton of Artifacts, but they can be used to battle whatever the opponent has.
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I really think this would be a super fun category to play online if a program was made for it. :D
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Some poor soul could randomly generate a ton of decks, and then put them into RTS and then e-mail the decks to a tournament host, and then that host could go from there! Of course I could be that poor soul if I have some reason to do that! ;)
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Yeah, I'm trying to figure out a way that would make it super fast to generate a random deck like so, but I'm not good with programming in Excel. I have an idea, and I might do some investigation when I have time.
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ok, I did some work in Excel and I got my little program working. I'll upload it as soon as possible.
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Ok, it is finished and uploaded. I took Bany's spreadsheet, modified it a bit and uploaded it. Instructions are included in the excel file. Enjoy! PM me if you have any questions or find any bugs etc.
Here is the link:
http://www.mediafire.com/?bz2ygmegjmh (http://www.mediafire.com/?bz2ygmegjmh)
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I already have my own system in Excel set up, I can generate a deck in seconds. Now of course putting it into RTS or any other program will take a little longer!
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The only problem I forsee with the RTS system, is that you would actually have to e-mail each player a deck before they play, and dare I say it, they could modify the deck before they play with it. So there would have to be a way to play a deck that can't be modified or a new system would have to be created to keep people from cheating!
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The only problem I forsee with the RTS system, is that you would actually have to e-mail each player a deck before they play, and dare I say it, they could modify the deck before they play with it. So there would have to be a way to play a deck that can't be modified or a new system would have to be created to keep people from cheating!
If people want to cheat, feel free. They just sinned, and lost self respect. Nothing off my back. People can cheat in normal games as well. It is easy to draw 2 cards and make it look like 1. It is all a trust based system.
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I agree, but if you actually make this into a tournament, you would like to be playing fair. My self-respect is worth alot more than cards I would win for playing a card game, but some people don't have any!
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If people want to cheat, feel free. They just sinned, and lost self respect. Nothing off my back. People can cheat in normal games as well. It is easy to draw 2 cards and make it look like 1. It is all a trust based system.
Thus why I love Urim and Thummin, I know exactly how many and what cards you have, So if you do draw an extra I can usually tell.
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If people want to cheat, feel free. They just sinned, and lost self respect. Nothing off my back. People can cheat in normal games as well. It is easy to draw 2 cards and make it look like 1. It is all a trust based system.
Thus why I love Urim and Thummin, I know exactly how many and what cards you have, So if you do draw an extra I can usually tell.
some people just play with their hand on the table.
we could do this at the team tournament, if people brought a complete collection.
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When I get around to making this a tournament, hopefully sometime after finals, and probably after Christmas, I will let everyone know. I will have no way to ensure that people didn't cheat, which is why the prize won't be anything too huge or valuable (1 card isn't going to kill me, even if it is a nice promo/UR). I mostly just wanted to provide a method of celebrating randomness through Redemption.
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If people want to cheat, feel free. They just sinned, and lost self respect. Nothing off my back. People can cheat in normal games as well. It is easy to draw 2 cards and make it look like 1. It is all a trust based system.
I generally take RR's perspective when it comes to cheating. Sure there are probably people who have the card shuffling abilities to stack their deck when I play against them, but I assume that when people are shuffling that they really are.
However, I also think that setting up a system that makes it more difficult to cheat is helpful at least in the sense that it makes it easier for people to be honest. That removes some of the temptation for people, and that's a good thing for everyone. If no such system can be devised, then simply choose to trust people. But if you can possibly make a system that makes cheating harder, then it's worth the time.
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One thing I will probably do is have every player who wants to participate email me the deck list of the random deck they want to use. I will make sure that decks seem to be "random enough" (i.e. a deck with 10 purple heroes and 8 purple enhancements is very unlikely, and would be questioned). Then if someone feels that their opponent got a bit too lucky, I can check to see if the cards they complain about are part of the deck.
That's about the only control on cheating I'll probably implement for now.
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HAHAHAHAHAH Scott has Ehud.... he's gonna win!
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D'oh! I forgot the new Ehud was WC... A recurable 9/9 Archer + Ehud is epic!
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By the way Cameron, nice job on the spreadsheet. I looked around for a bit for a function that did what vlookup does, but I never stumbled across it. Anyway, it looks great.
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Ugh, my draw stinks!
Lost Souls
Female-only
Generic x6
Sites
Promised Land
Pergamum
Babylon
Kir (Women)
Banks of the Nile/Pharaoh’s Court
Artifacts/Covenants/Curses
Covenant of Abraham
King’s Sword (G/H)
Besieged
Blue Heroes
Mark (C/D)
Eli the Priest (patriarchs)
Blue Hero Enhancements
Well Reopened
Sign of the Rainbow (E/F)
The Long Day (Kings)
White Heroes
Enoch
White Hero Enhancements
Purity of Enoch (Unlimited)
Red Heroes
Centurion (Patriarchs)
Red Hero Enhancements
Coat of Mail (Unlimited)
Sound the Alarm (C/D)
Silver Heroes
Angel at Jerusalem (Priests)
Angel of the Waters (Kings)
Gold Heroes
Archippus (E/F)
Shammah (Kings)
Naomi (Women)
Gold Hero Enhancements
Ehud’s Dagger (RoA)
Green Hero Enhancements
Patience (Unlimited)
David’s Victory (Kings)
Teal Hero Enhancements
Sin Offering
Multi Hero Enhancements
Feast of Trumpets [Teal/Green]
Pentecost [Teal/Purple]
Gray Evil Characters
Laban (E/F)
Gray Evil Enhancements
Forced Labor (E/F)
Brown Evil Characters
Unfaithful Priests (Priests)
Philetus (E/F)
Gold Evil Characters
Herod Agrippa II (TexP)
Gold Evil Enhancements
Wonders Forgotten
Egyptian Spear (FooF)
Pale Green Evil Characters
Beast from the Sea (Warriors)
Pale Green Evil Enhancements
Rage (Promo)
Hagar Dismissed (Patriarchs)
Black Evil Characters
Captain of the Temple Guard (Priests)
Malchus (Priests)
Black Evil Enhancements
Displeased Philistines (Kings)
Vain Vision (Prophets)
Hunger (Prophets)
Crimson Evil Characters
King Zimri
Crimson Evil Enhancements
Glittering Spear (Warriors)
Going to their Deaths (E/F)
Viper Bite (Warriors)
Orange Evil Enhancements
Pride in the Flesh (Priests)
This deck seriously suffers from lack of special abilities, that 6 of the enhancements have nobody to be played on, and the fact that it has every evil brigade in it >_>
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So I'd like to participate in this but the link that Cameron put up does not seem to work.. Can anyone help me out?
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grrr, I need better hosting options for my projects. Anyway, here is another link:
http://www.mediafire.com/?dmdavyu1mey (http://www.mediafire.com/?dmdavyu1mey)
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This deck seriously suffers from lack of special abilities, that 6 of the enhancements have nobody to be played on, and the fact that it has every evil brigade in it >_>
But, you DO have 4 sites (among the best in the game, I might add). Although access won't be hard, it may slow them enough for you to get an offense together. That being said, I'm not sure you can put together more than 2 or 3 souls. Hopefully an opponent has conversion? :)
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This deck seriously suffers from lack of special abilities, that 6 of the enhancements have nobody to be played on, and the fact that it has every evil brigade in it >_>
But, you DO have 4 sites (among the best in the game, I might add). Although access won't be hard, it may slow them enough for you to get an offense together. That being said, I'm not sure you can put together more than 2 or 3 souls. Hopefully an opponent has conversion? :)
What are you talking about? He can spam Enoch, and kill the largest character with Purity Name on Name bonus.
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grrr, I need better hosting options for my projects. Anyway, here is another link:
http://www.mediafire.com/?dmdavyu1mey (http://www.mediafire.com/?dmdavyu1mey)
Awesome! I got the file Cameron. Is there a way to play with everyone yet? Let me know how I can play? Should I post just my first deck or do I want to build more? Interesting idea and I can't wait to see what I get!
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We are still waiting on Professor to get it set up first! As soon as he does, it will be announced. But you might be able to play some people if you want to, it just won't be part of the future tournament until Prof. gets it set up.
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Nevermind my last post! Check this out! http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=19224.0 (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=19224.0)
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A question about lost souls: are we using 7 non-SA, 7 that we select, or 7 generated randomly?
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A question about lost souls: are we using 7 non-SA, 7 that we select, or 7 generated randomly?
7x no SA, unless you draw a soul. You then generate an extra number, and can use the generated SA soul in your deck.
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A question about lost souls: are we using 7 non-SA, 7 that we select, or 7 generated randomly?
7x no SA, unless you draw a soul. You then generate an extra number, and can use the generated SA soul in your deck.
This is correct. It works just like Booster Draft. If you "draft" souls you can use them, then add enough more to make 7 total.