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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Deck Building & Design => Deck Concepts => Topic started by: Deck Metrics on December 07, 2010, 02:05:29 PM
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Meta game, one of my opponents is running a Roman Emperor/Demon Defense and he took 1st place last month over me with margin on the LS score, believe it was 5-2 or 3, can't remember. I'm already running 3 Nails and he normally runs Golden Calf & Confusion of Mind against me and I'm mostly running OT Warrior-class heros (Red/Teal Beatdown deck). What are some cards that could break through his defense?
We've basically been battling for dominance in tournaments over our play group. We've been tweaking our decks to beat eachother over the last couple months.
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Is he using any of the new sites?
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Is he using any of the new sites?
he might, I just traded him one of the new disciple ones. I can't remember the name, I think its gold, starts with the letter "C" I think, reminds me of bacteria, haha.
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Chorazin?
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Chorazin?
haha, yeah, that's it. I traded him one either saturday or sunday.
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Ram's Horn and The Sabbath give Teal/Red some added CBI/CBN power. A Soldier's Prayer can recur The Sabbath also.
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This is a possible deck list of what I'm up against.
7 LS
3 liner
Exchanger
Female only
NT only
Negater
4 or greater
Shuffler
Sites 3?
Jericho?
New Jerusalem
Promise land
Dominants 7
Sog
New Jew
Burial
Christ martyr
Angel of the lord
Mayhem
Kingdoms of the world
Trap of the devil
Golden Calf
Confusion of the mind
Chariots?
Household Idols
Unholy Writ ?
30 Pieces of Silver x
Miraculous Handkerchiefs ?
Unsuccessful
Wastelands
Prince of this world
Terrifying Beast
King of Tyrus
Lying spirit ?
Nero
Pontius Pilate
Emperor Vitelus
Saul/Paul
Romans Destroy Jerusalem
Begging for grain
Healing of naaman
Men as gods
Lying unto God
False Peace
Philosophy
Mid wives ?
Mica ?
Nathan
Hur ?
King Hezekiah
simeon
John
James
Parmenas
Ethiopian Treasurer
Jephthah
Benaiah Snatches a spear
Trust in the Lord
Blessings for obedience
New beginning
Great Faith
The Word Spreads
Authority of Christ
Reach of Desperation
Resurrection
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Go TGT/Philly. Your defense should be very small.
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go old skool FBTN/CTB.
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go old skool FBTN/CTB.
Unless they have Rome in their deck.
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Switching to a whole different deck would not be the best idea IMO. Keep tweaking the deck you are familiar with. When I run into a deck that my deck struggles against, I look at the entire thing and determine what cards are helping me the most and what cards are doing me no good at all, and make adjustments from there. If there's a particular combo or strategy that my opponent relies on, I look to see what counters are available that would fit in my deck without changing it too much.
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Thank you Guardian, yeah I'm not too fond of completely changing my deck. I would need to play test if I did go with a switch, which isn't possible with the tournament being this weekend.
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Or you could just copy a nats winning deck.
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Or you could just copy a nats winning deck.
If I had the cards, but I wanna stick with my deck hence why I posted the tread.
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No Rome? If he has Rome I would reccomend Simon the Zealot.
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Could you post your deck, so we could see both and then it would be easier to offer some help.
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sure, stand by
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I just tweaked the deck last night
Type 1: 56 cards
Lost Souls: 7
Female Only
NT Only
3 Liner
Negater
Shuffler
Exchanger
Prevent Card Draw (DI)
Artifacts: 4
3 Nails * opponent using demons
Covenant with Moses * opponent using Household Idols & Unholy Writ
Captured Ark
Unsuccessful
Dominants: 9
Son Of God
New Jerusalem
Burial
Destruction of Nehushtan
Angel of The Lord
Harvest Time
Falling Away
Mayhem
Christian Martyr
Forts: 2
Wall of Pro
Philistine Outpost
Sites: 2
Ashdod
Nazareth * opponent's mayhem has been haunting me, I'm getting nightmares, lol
Good Enhancements: 9
Balance
Trumpet & Sword
The Might of Faith
The Battle is the Lord's
Holy Ground
A Soldier's Prayer
Trumpet Blast
Ezra's Journey
Scapegoat
Heroes: 9
The Centurion at Calvary
The Centurion at Capernaum
Jephthah
Asahel
Abishai
Phinehas, Son of Eleazar
Zadok
Ahimaaz
Eliashib the High Priest
Evil Enhancements: 7
Lying Unto God
Land Dispute
Overwhelmed by Philistines * opponents are using purple offense
Bringing Fear
Devourer
Goliath's Armor * opponents are using purple offense
Babel
Evil Characters: 7
Philistine Garrison
The 12 Fingered Giant
Philistine Armor Bearer
Saph
Ishbibenob
Lahmi
Simon the Magician * opponents are using NT Disciples
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Definitely needs David's Mighty Men, especially if your competition runs Emperors.
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wait. no fallen warrior with philly chariot and horses?
say whaaaaa?
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Also, no JiP, Wrath, or Foolish Advice?
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Definitely needs David's Mighty Men, especially if your competition runs Emperors.
Used it in my earlier versions, didn't like it; didn't work for me.
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wait. no fallen warrior with philly chariot and horses?
say whaaaaa?
used both, fun together, very fun, but found myself pitching horses to recur for blockers with outpost.
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Also, no JiP, Wrath, or Foolish Advice?
I rather play bringing fear over f.a.
and you really don't need lug in there imo...but it does boost up the other color dudes xpwait. no fallen warrior with philly chariot and horses?
say whaaaaa?
used both, fun together, very fun, but found myself pitching horses to recur for blockers with outpost.
and that's why pride of simon needs to be in there too xp
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Also, no JiP, Wrath, or Foolish Advice?
I didn't abbreviate so I'd appreciate the same courtesy. I don't know what you mean by JiP. Wrath, do you mean Wrath of Satan? I don't own it. Foolish Advice, I think I might have one. Let me check it out...
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Also, no JiP, Wrath, or Foolish Advice?
I didn't abbreviate so I'd appreciate the same courtesy. I don't know what you mean by JiP. Wrath, do you mean Wrath of Satan? I don't own it. Foolish Advice, I think I might have one. Let me check it out...
JiP= joseph in prison
wrath=wrath of satan
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Also, no JiP, Wrath, or Foolish Advice?
I rather play bringing fear over f.a.
and you really don't need lug in there imo...but it does boost up the other color dudes xpwait. no fallen warrior with philly chariot and horses?
say whaaaaa?
used both, fun together, very fun, but found myself pitching horses to recur for blockers with outpost.
and that's why pride of simon needs to be in there too xp
I just cut Pride of Simon, didn't use it. Probably ended up pitching to outpost. I just don't remember getting to use it much.
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I ditch the enhancement i wanna use with outpost go in play pride of simon and get the exact enhancement you wanna play back. and if you're like me, using king amon & manasseh, you can get even more back XD
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Also, no JiP, Wrath, or Foolish Advice?
I didn't abbreviate so I'd appreciate the same courtesy. I don't know what you mean by JiP. Wrath, do you mean Wrath of Satan? I don't own it. Foolish Advice, I think I might have one. Let me check it out...
JiP= joseph in prison
wrath=wrath of satan
Thank you bags, I don't own Wrath of Satan. I do have Joseph in Prison, I've considered it. I don't like having to removed my cards from the game, it would hurt Pride of Simon if I put it back in and I wouldn't be able to recur the removed Philly. The guy I'm meta gaming against runs a lot of negates, purple & green. Remember the tread, cards to break through his defense. We're getting a little distracted with my defense. He plays defense heavy.
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I ditch the enhancement i wanna use with outpost go in play pride of simon and get the exact enhancement you wanna play back. and if you're like me, using king amon & manasseh, you can get even more back XD
thanks, something for me to consider....hmmm. I might of been playing Outpost & Pride of Simon ineffectively. I was tried that last tourney due to a couple hours of airsoft prior to tourney.
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one combo i do when i go against disciples is make them band in and then block with simon the magician and play joseph in prison. CBN baby lol
*btw it's 3-Liner ;)
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one combo i do when i go against disciples is make them band in and then block with simon the magician and play joseph in prison. CBN baby lol
*btw it's 3-Liner ;)
I could hear an evil laugh
right on 3 Liner
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and he's good for two shiney arts too XD
Samaritan Water Jar & Magic Charms
mwahahahahahahahaha lol *cough* sorry about that..... heh
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and he's good for two shiney arts too XD
Samaritan Water Jar & Magic Charms
mwahahahahahahahaha lol *cough* sorry about that..... heh
magic charms and.....????
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the other shiney art ;D i don't just wanna tell ya
*even though i kinda did in meh last post. I just found this out last week myself. seriously lol
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JiP is a silver bullet against Disciples. All your Discards will avail you naught if he's got HT, JiP (especially on Simon) will end his best two Disciples.
I suggested David's Mighty Men as a card to punch through his defense. Asahel is your best friend against his deck, and he's even friendlier when you have a CBN battle-winner to force him to burn some cards with HT or even win you the battle if he doesn't have HT yet. Also, no Zeal? That's 1/2 the point of Phinehas. Holy Ground and Might of Faith can go for those two. Furthermore, Ezra's Journey isn't that great and should be replaced with either David's Triumph or Holy unto the Lord.
P.S. Using common abbreviations is standard operating procedure. It's not a courtesy to not use them. There's a list of the most common ones, but usually you'll pick it up pretty soon/easily if you pay attention. If I had used any unusual abbreviations that would be a different story (there are some people here who would abbreviate Ezra's Journey as EJ for example, and nobody would know what they were talking about).
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Also, no JiP, Wrath, or Foolish Advice?
I don't think I have Foolish Advice, I got to double check when I get home.
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Right now your only effective enhancement to use on Simon is Babel, and if you use that against a Purple offense, the AoC is going to come swiftly. Joseph in Prison really needs to be in there. Simon/JiP is also the best character/enhancement counter to The Garden Tomb band, which is another hugely popular offense.
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Right now your only effective enhancement to use on Simon is Babel, and if you use that against a Purple offense, the AoC is going to come swiftly. Joseph in Prison really needs to be in there. Simon/JiP is also the best character/enhancement counter to The Garden Tomb band, which is another hugely popular offense.
True, I did notice that considering Bringing Fear, Land Dispute & Overwhelmed by Philistines all need to be played by Philistines. TGT isn't currently making an appearance in our play group so I'm not worried about it. Should I keep Simon? What would you suggest to switch for Joseph in Prison?
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Lost Souls: 7
Female Only
NT Only
3 Liner
Negater
Shuffler
Exchanger
Prevent Card Draw (DI)
Artifacts: 4
3 Nails * opponent using demons
Covenant with Moses * opponent using Household Idols & Unholy Writ
Captured Ark
Unsuccessful
Dominants: 9
Son Of God
New Jerusalem
Burial
Destruction of Nehushtan
Angel of The Lord
Harvest Time
Falling Away
Mayhem
Christian Martyr
Forts: 2
Wall of Pro
Philistine Outpost
Sites: 2
Ashdod
Nazareth * opponent's mayhem has been haunting me, I'm getting nightmares, lol
Good Enhancements: 9
Balance
Trumpet & Sword
The Might of Faith
The Battle is the Lord's
Holy Ground
A Soldier's Prayer
Trumpet Blast
Ezra's Journey
Scapegoat
Heroes: 9
The Centurion at Calvary
The Centurion at Capernaum
Jephthah
Asahel
Abishai
Phinehas, Son of Eleazar
Zadok
Ahimaaz
Eliashib the High Priest
Evil Enhancements: 7
Lying Unto God
Land Dispute
Overwhelmed by Philistines * opponents are using purple offense
Bringing Fear
Devourer
Goliath's Armor * opponents are using purple offense
Babel
Evil Characters: 7
Philistine Garrison
The 12 Fingered Giant
Philistine Armor Bearer
Saph
Ishbibenob
Lahmi
Simon the Magician * opponents are using NT Disciples
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I would start by taking out the cards I've marked and adding these:
Joseph in Prison
Joshua the High Priest
Zeal for the Lord
David's Mighty Men
I also noticed you have DoN, Cap Ark, Covenant with Moses and Ly. unto God--are artifacts really causing you that much of a problem?
Another thing to consider, if your opponent has Nazareth, you have two cards (Cap Ark and Mayhem) that are nearly useless. I say nearly because you do have Outpost which can use them as discards, but not if you've already drawn them.
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Yeah, his artifacts. He runs Household Idols, Unholy Writ, Wastelands, Golden Calf and Confusion of the Mind. The last two mess me up a lot. Unsuccessful can swap with Joseph In Prison. Eliashib the High Priest recurs my Wall of Pro because he runs Romans Destroy Jerusalem, but I could swap him out. I'd just hate for someone to band to one of my characters and form a banding chain. I had Zeal for the Lord in my last version, but I never seemed to use it, most the time I'd end up having to discard Saph, Ishbibenob or Lahmi with one of their guys. True about Nazareth.
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If u use Outpost, then having Nazareth in your deck is a very bad idea; it protects ALL decks from search, so your Outpost would be pretty ineffective. Harvest Time would be useless too.
Freedom! is pretty much required in any offense w/ red, so I'm not sure why it's missing. You can get rid o' Balance for it. Where's Chariot o' Fire?
I agree w/ the other suggestions.
Hmmm, that's a good point. I threw in Harvest time since last tourney all my opponents seem to never draw any lost souls. I had Freedom in one of my earlier versions, but I ended up taking it out. I still got it, maybe I could consider it again. I could take out Balance, I haven't used it before; I 'just' threw it in there last night. Don't really know how effective it'll be. I had Chariots, but decided to take it out last night after much thought. I have 9 heroes. I really wanted to throw in Falling Away & Harvest Time, but I can change around. thanks for the input.
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Hopper would be better than Harvest Time, since that also helps when you're facing a site deck and it makes your deck a card faster.
Nazareth probably needs to come out because you're using Outpost, good catch Master Q.
Taking out Nazareth would also allow you to add Zadok Annoints Solomon.
+1 with Freedom--one of the best battle winners in the game.
Even if you do discard one of your guys with Zeal, it's worth it to have a CBN battle winner, especially since you have EC recursion.
If he's using Disciples/Green, he probably doesn't have any banding that can grab your Heroes, so dont worry too much about Wall.
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I don't own a hopper. I'm worried about him banding to my evil characters. I'm about to begin tweaking my deck again, I'm so excited! You all have been a great help!
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the other shiney art ;D i don't just wanna tell ya
*even though i kinda did in meh last post. I just found this out last week myself. seriously lol
Hint? Nothing is ringing a bell..
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It begins with a "D" and ends with a "arius' Decree."
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Water jar.
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It begins with a "D" and ends with a "arius' Decree."
crap forgot about dd. but red is right. it's swj
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how could you not be playing with Buckler?
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or old school helmet of brasses?
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I'm worried about him banding to my evil characters.
Wall of Protection.
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I'm worried about him banding to my evil characters.
Wall of Protection.
It's in the deck, people have just suggested that I take out the guy who recurs the wall from the discard pile.
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Right, sorry, I missed that. Why are you worried then?
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Right, sorry, I missed that. Why are you worried then?
My opponent runs Romans Destroy Jerusalem and some people were suggesting I take the guy out who recurs the Wall...that's why I'd be worried, haha.
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I agree with them. Eliashib isn't that good...just don't let him play Romans Destroy Jerusalem. It'd be better to just win earlier than having a preventative for a situation that won't occur very often.
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And if they're running Romans, which EC are you worried about being able to band to yours, exactly?
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Depending on which demons the opponent is using (since he said Romans and Demons), a few of those are excellent banding cards. (Spirit of Temptation and Seizing Spirit).
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Depending on which demons the opponent is using (since he said Romans and Demons), a few of those are excellent banding cards. (Spirit of Temptation and Seizing Spirit).
Based on the example deck, it's basically KoT, Prince, and Romans, which includes The Terrifying Beast. No banding people there.
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He had lying spirit in an earlier version so I'm not sure if it's still in or if it got cut from the line up.
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I say take him out then. If that character is still in the deck, if he gets to play RDJ, and if Lying Spirit isn't discarded or something by that point.