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A few people in my playgroup are using( and by using, I mean copying) some National winning decks. ( such as the 2010 one, and TealTomb) So, I was wondering what everyone thinks about other people using someones decks? I, for one, do not think decks should be copied

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( I do admitt, I did use an almost exact offense that one person I met had. )

PRO'S 'N CON'S of copying decks:


Pros:                                                               Cons:

-Experience                                                      - Seeing the same deck over and over



- More Pro's/Con's?

-Thanks! 

I think it is boring and useless to copy a hole entire deck but if I see a nice little combo I hadn't thought of I might use it in future decks. Example: I found Chennaniah to King David against MKC and I have used it in many decks.

Ya, I agree that it is boring. I also agree, that if you do find a combo, you should be able to use that. It is good though to play agqainst winning decks to gain experience.

Net-decking isn't bad for a game. It produces better players.

I also agree with that statement. But, what if someone is playing with a winning nats deck, and is already a really good player? I am asuming that you are saying that it is good for newer players to be playing with these decks?

That is too many netdeckers. Now 1-3 is fine but 4-5? Overdoing it.

I've got my own decks, but I've been toying with the idea of building the past decade's worth of Nats winning decks for newer players to learn against.

And for if your new and want fresh ideas to try.

Quote from: SomeKittens on March 19, 2011, 03:08:56 AM

I've got my own decks, but I've been toying with the idea of building the past decade's worth of Nats winning decks for newer players to learn against.

Any deck that won pre-Priests is awful...

...because it means that FBTN and FBTB is the main strategy of said deck... 

I know FbtNB is still viable, but think about how viable it would be with only Kings-era cards in today's meta.

Oh I completely agree that FBTN/FBtNB can still work...having played 6 rounds of T2 MP the past few weekends, I can tell you that TSA and Jacob/Captain are still a force. However, as the main strategy of a deck, (even in an ANB reset deck), it's not good enough to win consistently at the higher level tournaments.

Pre-Priests ever since Warriors, the meta was "use all of the FbtN characters and multicolor Enhancements."

Pre-Priests ever since Warriors, the meta was "use all of the FbtN characters and multicolor Enhancements."

I know this, I've read some interesting dissertations on the history of Redemption meta.  I think it'd be cool to have old decks around to see how Redemption has evolved.

I think the worst player with the best deck will not be any good unless he has used it before, get to know your cards and u will do better than someone who doesnt,

I couldn't agree more. I have tried to play someone else's deck and failed miserably because I simply did not have the experience playing with it. Also, what is the fun in using a proven deck even if you win? There is no creativity in that and I simply do not like it. Having said that, most people who know me realize that I don't care about winning nearly as much as I care about putting together interesting decks (thematically). I don't have a problem if someone else does thought because in reality there are not that many different decks that can be competitive.

I think you can have more creativity this year than you can in passed years, but I do agree with what you are saying...

I don't mind net decking at all. Copying Gabe's 2006(?) nats winning deck is what really convinced me to become competitive at the higher level tournaments (aka: pick up speed until disciples).

I guess that is one PRO of copying decks, gaining experience. I do agree with that. But I still think , after copying your deck and gaining expeirence branch out to other decks!

I used Teal/Green late 2008/first half of 2009 >:c

I'm pretty bad at this game, So I pretty much have to copy decks to be competitive

Since MJB first did it as a joke back when ANB first came out.

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I couldn't agree more. I have tried to play someone else's deck and failed miserably because I simply did not have the experience playing with it.

I remember one NATS someone handed me a deck to play with and I had no idea how to win. Josh Kopp and Heroless.

- So we do know one thing:

Never use a deck when you have no idea what it is! 

The deck I played wasn't Josh's deck but it was a high ranking player...cough...cough...Gabe...cough...cough.

Why would national winners post their decks in the first place, thay probley don't need advice.

Why would national winners post their decks in the first place, thay probley don't need advice.

After Nationals I post any deck I use that makes the top three. I do it then for a few reasons.

- To help new players. When I started I learned the game rather quickly thanks to prior National winners sharing their deck through Wildcard. It helps new and existing players to improve by looking at what has worked well and trying it for themselves.

- To help existing players. Learning what works well for other people can help you improve your deck if you use a similar strategy. Testing against a deck that did well at a high level tournament can help you improve your existing deck by revealing some of it's weaknesses.

- Because I feel like Redemption suffers from a lack of tournament coverage. Lots of tournaments come and go and we know nothing about what worked and what didn't. Some other games require exact deck lists from all players and publish them after a large event. That's a lot of extra work for players, hosts and Cactus so I'm not saying Redemption needs to implement that system. I do like the idea of decks that place being made public after a season ends.

- New sets release counters and change the offenses and defenses people are playing. That means that an exact copy of a winning deck is usually less effective in the next tournament season. I'll usually play the deck again in some form but it won't be what I take to a big tournament.

- I wait until after Nationals because I prefer to have as little information as possible available about my decks going into a big event. The element of surprise has a lot of value.

There might be more reasons but those are the first that come to mind.

It might be realistic for States, Regionals and Nationals. I think it would be asking too much for Local and Districts. But most National winners are willing to share their deck already.

Quote from: Gabe on June 01, 2011, 12:03:54 AM

- Because I feel like Redemption suffers from a lack of tournament coverage. Lots of tournaments come and go and we know nothing about what worked and what didn't. Some other games require exact deck lists from all players and publish them after a large event. That's a lot of extra work for players, hosts and Cactus so I'm not saying Redemption needs to implement that system. I do like the idea of decks that place being made public after a season ends.

I actually thinkg that'd be really cool.

I agree and disagree with this.  I agree if it is after Nats to share a deck list, but it is highly probable that the deck people use to win Regionals will be the one they play at Nats.  So I'm not a fan of sharing deck lists after Regionals because like Gabe said, "the element of surprise has a lot of value."  Plus, there are players who will "tech" against you if you are having a lot of success with a particular deck.