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First Fruits would help speed it up.

Okay, took the given advice. Now the offense is 27 cards. That seems a bit too big to me. What could I take out?

Looks solid. I would use Deborah's Directive over The Stars and would consider taking out David (green), provisions, and GiED for King Saul, King David, and Pentecost. But again, solid deck. I also think Samson Promo gives you more bang for your buck as cbn edict doesn't help him that much.

If you want to take someting out you could take out heman, battle prayer, gloria and muscians chambers.

Double post: I just realized that this deck would probably be best for TEAMS. My teammate could put in just an Angel in the Path and a Seraph, band to most of my offense, use my Musicians' Chambers, and house our defense in the rest of his deck. I could also use some of my room for an Uzzah and stuff if useful. What do you think?

That defense seems a little too mainstream for me. I've been working on something slightly different: Lot's Wife, Lot's Daughters, Stone of Thebez, Gibeonite Trickery, Uzzah, Slave, maybe Zimri son of Salu, maybe Sabbath Breaker (morally and financially opposed to Plot). Whatcha think?

That's an awesome idea I love caananites Needs more black though.  If you're gonna go Caananites here's what I suggest.

Lot's wife, Woman of Thebez, Uzzah, Sabbath Breaker, Gib Delagates, Ammy Slave, Gib Trick, and Stone of Thebez. 

This would allow to throw in Tower of Thebez pretty easily. 

EDIT: You may want to consider adding in a black king of Israel and King Amazing too. 

Should have Stone of Thebez and Gib Delegates in it.

It has Stone there. Delegates is probably a good idea.

Lot's wife, Woman of Thebez, Uzzah, Sabbath Breaker, Gib Delagates, Ammy Slave, Gib Trick, and Stone of Thebez. 

This would allow to throw in Tower of Thebez pretty easily. 

Tower of Thebez is not worth it here, especially since I like my hero abilities. That's why I chose Lot's Daughters over Woman of Thebez. Other than that, I like it.

King Solomon isn't a bad choice if you really want to get Musicians' Chambers sooner (he can also search out defensive forts) and he's a musician.

That would be another good reason to switch my Green to Purple...maybe throw in a Counsel of Abigail, or a Royal Parade, or a Reach and AoCP, or a King Amazing and Valley of Salt...or maybe just chill a little cuz the offense is already pretty big.

It's much less traditional.

Who says it has to be "better"? Breaking away from the cookie cutter decks is not a bad thing. Diversity keeps the game fun and interesting.

I personally like this a lot, and am thinking of trying it out as a fun deck (if BB is okay with that, of course).

This deck has Samuel in it, but it is by no means a Samuel deck. It has no long banding chains, no massive one-turn drawing, and not a single red card, and it uses Musicians extensively. To make it a Samuel deck, you would need to change a lot more than a few cards - more like half the offense.

Also, who is to say that this is not better than a normal Sam offense? Who has tested it to see?

BTW, I do not own this concept; anyone who wishes to use it (or any variation of it) is welcome to.

Also, who is to say that this is not better than a normal Sam offense?

Nobody, but nobody is able to give a reason why it is. The various branches of Samuel offenses have proven to be very effective, so I'm asking what it is about the switches this offense makes that makes it stronger. Apparently, the answer is nothing?

I only asked once, and just now received an answer that wasn't "don't ask that question."

Being a Musician, I'm always wanting Musicians to be playable. This comes close to being playable, but it's so close to a Sam deck that the Spike in me won't consider it unless the deviations from standard Sam make it better or at least equivalent. That's why I was asking.

What does this do better than a traditional Sam offense?

Ok, how does that make it better?

The various branches of Samuel offenses have proven to be very effective, so I'm asking what it is about the switches this offense makes that makes it stronger. Apparently, the answer is nothing?

I only asked once, and just now...

Okay, in BB's defense you did ask why it was better twice, and then insinuate the question again later, so its fair to say you were pressing him.

 Maybe he posted on the forum to get advice on how to make his deck -dare I say it- fun?!  Just sayin, if someone comes up with a new strat (even if it's just a deviant from a traditional) we shouldn't slam it while it's in production.

that is all.   

I recognize that this is not my forum, but even so. This whole "debate" is ridiculous from both sides; I love when people post non-traditional decks because it encourages creativity among other members, and it's nice to see new ideas thrown out there, since one "new idea" can easily become an inherent part of the meta if it's good enough. I enjoy seeing new ideas, especially since I'm currently experimenting with new ideas of my own. Now that said, this anger that almost always comes whenever someone criticizes a "different" deck is a little ridiculous. Pol simply asked what made it better, and when he never got an answer, he kept asking. While I don't think a question like the original one he asked is really conductive to what this forum (deck concepts) is about, he was perfectly within his rights to ask, and then persist in asking when he didn't get an answer. Basically, everyone chill out, you're arguing for zero reason.

As to the deck itself, I would cut the gold a little bit and add some purple. King David and King Solomon are a couple of the best musicians in the game, and Samuel can search for the former. Plus, that would let you add a battle-winner or two like Valley of Salt. I would probably cut Eli's Sound Advice, Deborah, and Battle Prayer, and add KD, KS, and VoS.