Author Topic: Lets build an NT spread offense together! (Read 6340 times)

jbeers285 · « **on:** October 20, 2014, 09:06:33 PM »

Here are the rules
1. 24 card limit for all cards (excluding dom's)
2. No OT hero's
3. No more then 5 cards are arts and forts
4. You must explain the combo's or uses you see for the cards you want in
5. We must use 3 brigades in the offense
6. Each post can add one card until we hit 24 cards.
7. Once we hit 24 each post may remove upto 2 cards and add in 2 cards as maximums
8. For card exchanges you must explain why u changed cards the cards you did.

Current offense 24 Cards

Heroes 11
1. Simeon (Di)
2. Peter (TEC)
3. Cornelius (TEC)
4. Matthias (TEC)
5. Angelic Visitor (TEC)
6. Anna (Di)
7. Gabriel (I/J)
8. The Strong Angel (wa)
9. Barnabus (TEC)
10. Michael (warriors)

Forts 2
1. The Garden Tomb
2. Herod's Temple

Arts 3
1. Golden Cheribum
2. Hidden Treasures
3. Four Drachma Coin

Enhancements 9
1. Gamaliel's Speech
2. Live Coal
3. Speak with Power
4. Striking Herod
5. Nunc Ditimmis
6. Two Bears
7. Patience
8. Spiritual Warfare
9. Gentleness

jbeers285 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 20, 2014, 09:08:42 PM »

I'll start it with some Heroes

1. Simeon (do)
2. John (I/J)
3. Peter (TEC)
4. Simon the Zealot
5. Cornelius

Redoubter · « **Reply #2 on:** October 20, 2014, 09:13:28 PM »

Well, I'll add the obvious support:

6. The Garden Tomb
7. Herod's Temple
8. Golden Cherubim

The first two should be obvious adds. The last one is in considering how important it is to get out specific cards in the planned offense, and it goes in Temple.

LukeChips · « **Reply #3 on:** October 20, 2014, 09:41:03 PM »

Is this a contest?

jbeers285 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 20, 2014, 09:58:54 PM »

Quote from: LukeChips on October 20, 2014, 09:41:03 PM

Is this a contest?

No its a group effort project for fun.

Also I may play this offense whatever it ends up in the next local event I can attend.

yirgogo · « **Reply #5 on:** October 20, 2014, 10:05:30 PM »

Add:
The New Covenant

TheJaylor · « **Reply #6 on:** October 20, 2014, 10:32:08 PM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on October 20, 2014, 09:06:33 PM

6. Each post can add one card until we hit 24 cards.

Quote from: Redoubter on October 20, 2014, 09:13:28 PM

6. The Garden Tomb
7. Herod's Temple
8. Golden Cherubim

For someone who knows a lot about the rules of Redemption I guess you didn't read all the rules for this game.

Anyhoo,

10. Angelic Visitor

Drrek · « **Reply #7 on:** October 20, 2014, 10:39:16 PM »

11. Gamaliel's Speech

Red · « **Reply #8 on:** October 20, 2014, 11:00:07 PM »

Anna(di)

LukeChips · « **Reply #9 on:** October 21, 2014, 08:08:25 AM »

I might want this offence!

jbeers285 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 21, 2014, 01:10:52 PM »

13. Gabriel

Recur silver, NT prophet for Simeon to Band to.

Drrek · « **Reply #11 on:** October 21, 2014, 02:02:25 PM »

14. Live Coal

yirgogo · « **Reply #12 on:** October 21, 2014, 03:46:12 PM »

15. Preaching at Pentacost.
(assuming a dominant is The Holy Spirit. If not than Gentleness)

jbeers285 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 21, 2014, 03:47:32 PM »

Quote from: yirgogo on October 21, 2014, 03:46:12 PM

15. Preaching at Pentacost.
(assuming a dominant is The Holy Spirit. If not than Gentleness)

If PaP is in the HS is a must so I'll add both even though I said excluding doms. HS is a specific play not a general Dom.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #14 on:** October 21, 2014, 04:48:28 PM »

The Strong Angel.

If we're going to have silver as one of the colors (Which I don't necessarily agree with) Then this guy is a must

jbeers285 · « **Reply #15 on:** October 21, 2014, 04:54:19 PM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on October 21, 2014, 04:48:28 PM

The Strong Angel.

If we're going to have silver as one of the colors (Which I don't necessarily agree with) Then this guy is a must

I tend to agree here but the goal is keep 4 colors involved in the offense. I am not sure what NT color I like more in this gold or silver. Silver just has more initial synergy with green (Simeon, live coal, spiritual warfare, gabiriel, Michael (aw))

Nameless · « **Reply #16 on:** October 21, 2014, 06:23:21 PM »

Striking Herod.

TheJaylor · « **Reply #17 on:** October 21, 2014, 06:31:34 PM »

This offense has only 6 slots left and it's very spread. I could be wrong but unless the next six cards are very focused this offense doesn't seem like it'd do all that great.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 22, 2014, 06:27:59 PM »

Quote from: KoalaKing on October 21, 2014, 06:31:34 PM

This offense has only 6 slots left and it's very spread. I could be wrong but unless the next six cards are very focused this offense doesn't seem like it'd do all that great.

Agreed but this is why I allowed for card switches after the 24 slots are filled.

I added Barnabus. This leaves 5 slots. Honestly I see red being the cut color this would allow us to replace Simon the Zealot and Cornelius but I'll wait for that.

Red · « **Reply #19 on:** October 22, 2014, 08:14:51 PM »

Nunc dittimus.

yirgogo · « **Reply #20 on:** October 23, 2014, 02:57:56 PM »

Behold the Lamb

jbeers285 · « **Reply #21 on:** October 23, 2014, 04:07:37 PM »

We are at 21 cards and some switches are pending for once we hit 24.

Bobbert · « **Reply #22 on:** October 23, 2014, 05:25:47 PM »

Provisions. Two green characters is enough to warrant a CTB.

Drrek · « **Reply #23 on:** October 24, 2014, 01:26:18 AM »

Quote from: Thomas Hunter on October 23, 2014, 05:25:47 PM

Provisions. Two green characters is enough to warrant a CTB.

We have 3 green characters actually

jbeers285 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 24, 2014, 01:47:06 AM »

Quote from: Drrek on October 24, 2014, 01:26:18 AM

Quote from: Thomas Hunter on October 23, 2014, 05:25:47 PM
Provisions. Two green characters is enough to warrant a CTB.

We have 3 green characters actually

Typically I am not normally a fan of provisions in type 1, but I think it's kinda pretty in this deck.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 24, 2014, 07:14:09 AM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on October 21, 2014, 04:48:28 PM

The Strong Angel.

If we're going to have silver as one of the colors (Which I don't necessarily agree with) Then this guy is a must

Combos: Get The Strong Angel on turn one, and start making rescues.

Bobbert · « **Reply #26 on:** October 24, 2014, 10:58:12 AM »

Quote from: Drrek on October 24, 2014, 01:26:18 AM

Quote from: Thomas Hunter on October 23, 2014, 05:25:47 PM
Provisions. Two green characters is enough to warrant a CTB.

We have 3 green characters actually

Ah, quite right. Missed Barnabas there (still not used to most of the TEC cards). Even more so, then.

LukeChips · « **Reply #27 on:** October 24, 2014, 11:05:20 AM »

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on October 24, 2014, 07:14:09 AM

Combos: Get The Strong Angel on turn one, and start making rescues.

Why strong angel and not captain of the host?

jbeers285 · « **Reply #28 on:** October 24, 2014, 11:10:44 AM »

2 reasons

First CoTH doesn't megate banding
Second I am only allowing NT Hero's in this deck

LukeChips · « **Reply #29 on:** October 24, 2014, 11:53:25 AM »

Which SA, warriors or kings?

yirgogo · « **Reply #30 on:** October 24, 2014, 04:04:04 PM »

Warriors, no reason to have kings.

Another add: Spiritual Warfare

Also, it is done, so I will add Gentleness, so that I may remove the last two blank cards and add 2 more, per the rules.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #31 on:** October 24, 2014, 07:01:16 PM »

The 1st copy is now in the books let's make changes and solidify this offense.

Yes it is my hope that this will eventually evolve into some form of META

Current offense 24 Cards ***includes "The Holy Spirit"***

Heroes 10
1. Simeon (Di)
2. John (I/J)
3. Peter (TEC)
4. Cornelius (TEC)
5. Simon the Zealot (Di)
6. Angelic Visitor (TEC)
7. Anna (Di)
8. Gabriel (Di)
9. The Strong Angel (wa)
10. Barnabus (TEC)

Forts 2
1. The Garden Tomb
2. Herod's Temple

Arts 2
1. Golden Cheribum
2. The New Covenant

Enhancements 9
1. Gamaliel's Speech
2. Live Coal
3. Preaching at Pentecost
4. Striking Herod
5. Nunc Ditimus
6. Behold the Lamb
7. Provisions
8. Spiritual Warfare
9. Gentleness

***The Holy Spirit***

jbeers285 · « **Reply #32 on:** October 24, 2014, 07:07:43 PM »

Current offense 24 Cards ***includes "The Holy Spirit"***

Heroes 10
1. Simeon (Di)
2. John (I/J)
3. Peter (TEC)
4. Cornelius (TEC)
5. Matthias (TEC)
6. Angelic Visitor (TEC)
7. Anna (Di)
8. Gabriel (I/J)
9. The Strong Angel (wa)
10. Barnabus (TEC)

Forts 2
1. The Garden Tomb
2. Herod's Temple

Arts 2
1. Golden Cheribum
2. Hidden Treasures

Enhancements 9
1. Gamaliel's Speech
2. Live Coal
3. Preaching at Pentecost
4. Striking Herod
5. Nunc Ditimus
6. Behold the Lamb
7. Provisions
8. Spiritual Warfare
9. Gentleness

***The Holy Spirit***

I cut the new covenant because with Herod's Temple it's rather redundant and I've never been a fan of it. I added Hidden treasures to replace it for synergy with prophets and spiritual warfare.

I cut Simon the Zealot for Matthias because I don't think red is that great and it has no support in this deck right now. Matthias is another target for Gamiliels Speech and can play purple enhancements as well as clay.

Red · « **Reply #33 on:** October 24, 2014, 07:56:49 PM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on October 24, 2014, 07:07:43 PM

Current offense 24 Cards ***includes "The Holy Spirit"***

Heroes 10
1. Simeon (Di)
2. John (I/J)
3. Peter (TEC)
4. Cornelius (TEC)
5. Matthias (TEC)
6. Angelic Visitor (TEC)
7. Anna (Di)
8. Gabriel (Di)
9. The Strong Angel (wa)
10. Barnabus (TEC)

Forts 2
1. The Garden Tomb
2. Herod's Temple

Arts 2
1. Golden Cheribum
2. Hidden Treasures

Enhancements 9
1. Gamaliel's Speech
2. Live Coal
3. Preaching at Pentecost
4. Striking Herod
5. Nunc Ditimus
6. Two Bears
7. Patience
8. Spiritual Warfare
9. Gentleness

I cut Provisons and Behold the Lamb for patience and two bears. Behold the lamb is insanely underwhelming as a card even though it's absurdly cool. Patience is absurdly good and Two bears should have already been in. I really desperately want to cut the HT and SW because you really don't need HT not to mention it's pretty clunky. I want to take out preaching at pentecost and Holy Spirit but I doubt I could get that swung. This needs $DC and fishers of men pretty badly. Faithful priest would be awesome as well.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #34 on:** October 24, 2014, 08:26:24 PM »

I am also not a huge fan of behold the lamb or provisions but I disagree with provisions being cut from the deck the way it is right now. Patience is really good here because there aren't a ton of draw or search abilities.

HT may appear clunky but the secondary ability is really good and I'd eventually like to see Peter's Sermon in this deck which Barnabus can play off of HT. Plus 2 bears can be brutal off HT with TGT in a deck.

I also am not a huge fan of Holy Spirit but with 2 fruits and Preaching at Pentecost it's possible it could work again played preblock off of Barnabus. It's a Gimmick but sometimes if deck has enough of them it works.

With Patience and assuming you would Hopper I'm not sure Fishers is necessary. 4DC will get in eventually. It might be a good switch to drop SW for 4DC because TGT does enough ignore on its own. However the potential to recur it and do it again with Gabriel is also really strong.

I also think Holy Grail, Lampstand, and I am Holy are worth consideration in this deck but then it gets artifact heavy.

I hadn't thought about the synergy of Nunc Dittimis with Patience is really solid.

Red · « **Reply #35 on:** October 24, 2014, 09:05:50 PM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on October 24, 2014, 08:26:24 PM

I am also not a huge fan of behold the lamb or provisions but I disagree with provisions being cut from the deck the way it is right now. Patience is really good here because there aren't a ton of draw or search abilities.

HT may appear clunky but the secondary ability is really good and I'd eventually like to see Peter's Sermon in this deck which Barnabus can play off of HT. Plus 2 bears can be brutal off HT with TGT in a deck.

I also am not a huge fan of Holy Spirit but with 2 fruits and Preaching at Pentecost it's possible it could work again played preblock off of Barnabus. It's a Gimmick but sometimes if deck has enough of them it works.

With Patience and assuming you would Hopper I'm not sure Fishers is necessary. 4DC will get in eventually. It might be a good switch to drop SW for 4DC because TGT does enough ignore on its own. However the potential to recur it and do it again with Gabriel is also really strong.

I also think Holy Grail, Lampstand, and I am Holy are worth consideration in this deck but then it gets artifact heavy.

I hadn't thought about the synergy of Nunc Dittimis with Patience is really solid.

Nunc Dittimis is BUSTED in NT splash.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #36 on:** October 24, 2014, 09:28:46 PM »

Current offense 24 Cards

Heroes 10
1. Simeon (Di)
2. John (I/J)
3. Peter (TEC)
4. Cornelius (TEC)
5. Matthias (TEC)
6. Angelic Visitor (TEC)
7. Anna (Di)
8. Gabriel (Di)
9. The Strong Angel (wa)
10. Barnabus (TEC)
11. Michael (Warriors)

Forts 2
1. The Garden Tomb
2. Herod's Temple

Arts 2
1. Golden Cheribum
2. Hidden Treasures

Enhancements 9
1. Gamaliel's Speech
2. Live Coal
3. Speak with Power
4. Striking Herod
5. Nunc Ditimus
6. Two Bears
7. Patience
8. Spiritual Warfare
9. Gentleness

I removed Preaching at Pentecost for Speak with Power.

I'm just not a big fan of Preaching - With the 2x clear CBN on Peter aspect, paired with the Barnabas clear through protect fort for TGT, Power is just to good not to have.

I also removed Holy Spirit - It just doesn't feel like that kind of deck.

I put in Michael (Warriors) Really felt that the deck needed an 11th hero. I'm not 100% sold that this is the correct one, the Striking Herod play is strong, as is the Live Coal play. So I'm about 80% sold on it - Angel Wars vs Warriors was a consideration here, but I just didn't see the benefit of WC.

Drrek · « **Reply #37 on:** October 24, 2014, 09:49:38 PM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on October 24, 2014, 09:28:46 PM

So I'm about 80% sold on it - Angel Wars vs Warriors was a consideration here, but I just didn't see the benefit of WC.

The reason you would use Angel Wars would be if you were running something like Herods or Emperors on defense, because you could run Fortress of Antonia with it. Otherwise I don't think it really matters.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #38 on:** October 24, 2014, 10:52:32 PM »

This has probably been asked a million times but is Michael a prophet?

TheJaylor · « **Reply #39 on:** October 24, 2014, 10:54:28 PM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on October 24, 2014, 10:52:32 PM

This has probably been asked a million times but is Michael a prophet?

Nope. Just a warrior.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #40 on:** October 24, 2014, 10:57:49 PM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on October 24, 2014, 10:52:32 PM

This has probably been asked a million times but is Michael a prophet?

Nope. If he was a Prophet, then he'd be an absolute no-brainer for this deck. That said, I'm still fairly convinced that he's the right guy anyway. I can come up with a couple other names for that slot, but they would all have me wanting to cut Striking Herod

jbeers285 · « **Reply #41 on:** October 24, 2014, 11:09:25 PM »

Feel free to toss around ideas anyone can make changes they like.

Drrek · « **Reply #42 on:** October 24, 2014, 11:13:32 PM »

So at the moment we literally have nothing for John to play, that seems like a weak point in the offense.

Also we are running Peter, and no 4DC, that also seems weird.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #43 on:** October 24, 2014, 11:32:31 PM »

So I'll take that as a drop John for 4DC. Even if u don't want to count it as a move I'll swap it.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #44 on:** October 24, 2014, 11:39:01 PM »

Without John im not sure TGT should stay 1 for 1's are not good and TGT may help an opponent.
Also should we drop Matthias at this point?

This is quickly moving towards only 3 brigades which is probably stronger anyways so perhaps I'll modify the rules to allow it drop to 3 brigades.

Drrek · « **Reply #45 on:** October 24, 2014, 11:54:31 PM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on October 24, 2014, 11:39:01 PM

Without John im not sure TGT should stay 1 for 1's are not good and TGT may help an opponent.
Also should we drop Matthias at this point?

We do have angelic visitor to search out Peter, so I think TGT could still be fine.

Red · « **Reply #46 on:** October 25, 2014, 09:12:40 AM »

Gaberiel needs to be I/J

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