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I'm basically looking to build a heroless 105 deck, and am looking for a defense that can stop anything and gets set up quickly enough. I'm not looking for a particular strategy (Romans-hand discard, Egyptians-deck discard) I was thinking Magicians or Phillies?

Best defense for such a deck is CBNB hands down. The last version I used went something like this:

Gold Evil
HAII
Herod the Great
Salome
Herodias
Mask of Fear
Herod's Treachery (not really gold, but goes with the Herods)
Whatever the egyptian negate card is

Orange Evil
KoT
Wandering Spirit
Spirit of Temptation
Defeaning Spirit

Brown Evil
Gomer
Foul Spirit
King Manasseh
SMC
IoJ

Black Evil
A couple big Sads
Simon the Magician
JiP
Foolish Advice

Of course you will want WoP, Gates of Hell, Gates of Jer, Magic Charms, the Di Sites, Herod's Dungeon and Temple.

A deck gets real fast once you gates 90% of it.  It shouldn't have to be fast, just solid (but speed doesn't hurt).

Use a little bit of each defense their is.

Why Phars? Didn't you say that they were the best small defense?

You can have a duplicate of Just a Hireling in Type 1?  I didn't know that.

I do think that Philly + Simon + Lot's Wife + Site lock is a good defense for Heroless.  That's what I use in my 70 card heroless.  But if you run into Disciples and Fishing Boat you may be in trouble.  But Phillies also get some CBN against purple

They're also the best 105. Duplicates on Entrapping Pharisee, Pharisees, Proud Pharisee, Just a Hireling, Balaam's Disobedience, Tenants Kill the Son, and Self-Righteous Prayer are all amazing, plus the added drawing from Proud Pharisees and the option of False Peace. Having duplicates of Besieged also stops DoN from ruining your banding party.

I don't think you can have 2x jaH or 2x Tenants Kill the Son since they are bi-colored. You cannot in type two anyways. Even so I agree with you that phars would be a good 105 card defense, especially for heroless because you have the high priests+UT to look at their hand. I wonder would disbelieving saducee be a good splash against silver, which can give gray problems?

Gray. Gold shield and horses let you win before they can play enhancements. These cards are essential for stalling with a big deck. Mine ended up with a record of 7-1 last year.

8 games? You only played it at a single local in Arden Hills?

1 tournament, 5 online games. 2-1 at the tournament, 5-0 online.

So no 2x Tenants or JaH. I stand firmly by my advocacy of Phars as the best 100+ defense. Tons of banding with generics (CBN with Besieged up), ninja blocks everywhere, staying power with Scribe recursion, redundant territory protection with HPP and the Sites (no sneaky Benedictus+ET+AoCP ruining your day), HPP itself giving a free UW slot, and within Grey you have even more goodies (Sabbath Breaker x2, BBN/Momentum Change x2, Namaan and his ride, Job's Wife, Balaam (for all intents and purposes), but all of that's just gravy on top of Proud and Entrapping x2.

Make sure you run Pigs and Casting Lots x2 with Hand Discard LS x2.

No, but he can band to a Sad/Phar:
Scribe (Di)
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Black/Gray • Ability: 2 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: Search discard pile for an O.T. Enhancement and place it beneath deck. Negate ignore abilities. May band to a Pharisee or Sadducee. • Identifiers: Generic NT Male Human • Verse: Luke 20:46 • Availability: Disciples booster packs ()

Three round tournament? O_o

Haha it was a small tournament. Lol

I like going Brown with a splash of Pale Green Magicians in a 100+ T1 deck.

You then have:
Gib Trick x2
Dungeon x2
Plot x2
Uzzah x2
Gomer x2
Magic Charms x2
King Amon x2
Forgotten History x2
King Manasseh/Gates

You can block for a very long time once that defense is set-up.

The only thing that defense could possibly be susceptible to is some early game big #s banding, but I'm sure you could easily fit Gold Cow x2 and HHI x2.

Honestly I think the brown/pale green gives you the most bang for your buck. The Problem with Phars is that they don't cripple offenses, and that is what you need with a large deck. They are good at stalling, but with a small offense you can only stall for so long.

Phars also are hurt by prophets. Frogs for balaams, characters that negate protect abilities ( stops JAH). A plethora of interrupts to get around srp and others. And Decent capture protection that stops writs and entrappings. Oh, and HT to ravage the few CBN cards gray has.

I've used Babylonians/Heretics quite successfully in teams

How does this look for a defense?

      Artifacts: 4
Unholy Writ x2
Magic Charms x2

      Fortresses: 1
Rome

      Sites: 6
Golgotha x2
Caesarea Philippi x2
Kir x2

       Evil Characters: 27
Proud Pharisee x2
Entrapping Pharisee x2
Pharisees x6
Sabbath Breaker x2
Laban x2 (for Charms. It's beast.)
Emperor Galba x2
Emperor Otho x2
King Pekaiah x2
Ahithophel x2
Namaan x2
King Cushan-Rishathaim x2
Scribe

      Evil Enhancements: 21
Momentum Change x2
Balaam's Disobedience x2
Self Righteous Prayer x2
Namaan's Chariot and Horses x2
Heavy Taxes x2
Pretension x2
Gold Shield x2
Night Raid x2
Begging For Grain x2
Tenants Kill the Son
Just a Hireling
Hating the Light

      Curses: 8
Besieged x2
Captured Ark x2
Go into Captivity x2
Unsuccessful x2

I need to take out two cards though. I'm thinking one of the curses?

Agreed on both accounts. Can you put in holy writs in artifacts? That card is great, considering more than 90% of decks will be attacking with humans.

Quote from: lightningninja on February 10, 2011, 09:16:34 PM

Can you put in holy writs in artifacts?

What is that I don't even.

Holy Writs capture Evil characters and place in your LoR. You dont use that card? 

Defense failed. I had too many evil characters and couldn't use my speed because RBD was up the entire game, and after a DoN, there was a Pigs soul, and couldn't get the FBTN before another RBD popped up.