Author Topic: Anti-Philly Deck. (Read 6524 times)

Red Dragon Thorn · « **on:** November 11, 2009, 02:33:50 PM »

Hey all, I've noticed that Philistines seem to be very (read 95% of decks I've seen) popular. So I decided to put together this little wonder.

The D is just what I tossed in, I'm not sure what I'll end up doing with it.
The Silver is also liable to change brigades entirely.

Cards in deck: 56
Lost Souls: 7
   Lost Soul (anti-burial)
   Lost Soul (can't be prevented)
   Lost Soul (Female Only)
   Lost Soul (N.T. only)
   Lost Soul (revealer)
   Lost Soul (shuffler)
   Lost Soul (Wanderer)

Lamb Dominants: 5
   Angel of the Lord
   Guardian Of Your Souls
   Harvest Time
   New Jerusalem
   Son of God

Grim Reaper Dominants: 4
   Burial
   Christian Martyr
   Destruction of Nehushtan
   Falling Away

White Sites: 1
   Herod's Dungeon

Gold Sites: 1
   Egypt

Artifacts: 3
   Gifts of the Magi
   Hidden Treasures
   Holy Grail

Silver Heroes: 3
   Captain of the Host
   Seraphim
   The Strong Angel

Green Heroes: 6
   Armorbearer
   Caleb
   David
   Eleazar
   Hur
   Miriam

Multi-Color Hero Enhancements: 3
   Brass Serpent
   Feast of Trumpets
   Spiritual Warfare

Silver Hero Enhancements: 1
   Gathering of Angels

Green Hero Enhancements: 4
   Eleazar's Sword
   Plague of Frogs
   Provisions
   Two Bears

Gold Evil Characters: 9
   Herod Agrippa II
   Herod Antipas
   Herodias
   Huge Egyptian
   King of Tyrus
   King Shishak
   Potiphar's Wife
   Queen Tahpenes
   Salome

Multi-Color Evil Enhancements: 1
   Herod's Treachery

Gold Evil Enhancements: 8
   Egyptian Spear
   Enslaved by Egypt
   Evil Spirit
   Failed Objective
   Moses kills Egyptian
   Outnumbered
   Swift Horses
   Wonders Forgotten

Advice? Ideas? I'm an idiot, this will never work?

Thanks,

RDT

Gabe · « **Reply #1 on:** November 11, 2009, 02:57:12 PM »

First, why would you build this. Nobody plays Philistines!

It seems like an "Anti-Philly" deck should include the Tartan.

P.S. - Your own Miriam will hose you if used against you. You need Wall or Protection or something.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #2 on:** November 11, 2009, 03:00:27 PM »

Good call on the Miriam issue, I can solve two problems at once if I switch to Assyrians for Tartan like you suggested, and Tartan like Agrippa allows me to get around Z's Temple protection. So its just as good.
Thanks Gabe!

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #3 on:** November 11, 2009, 03:21:36 PM »

Philistines wouldn't have any problem against this deck in its current form. The Tartan will pose issues, but your Green enhancements will just get Negated, your FbtN will be blocked by 12FG, and you Gathered hero will get Martyred.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #4 on:** November 11, 2009, 03:24:11 PM »

Eleazar + Eleazar's Sword, Caleb. That was the premise of the deck

I need to work on it a bit more, this if far from complete.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #5 on:** November 11, 2009, 03:28:01 PM »

Eleazar+Sword can't beat Garrison if played in battle, and any pre-battle Discarding will just be undone by Outpost. And in both cases, Amon (a common inclusion in Philistine decks) can infini-block both of them with any battle-winner since you have no Negates. Beyond that, with only one Heal and no Chariot, if you get hit by both Wrath and Overwhelmed, you won't have an offense.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #6 on:** November 11, 2009, 03:29:28 PM »

Yeah, obviously it has issue's which is why I'm considering gold as the secondary color for its conversion factor.

Sean · « **Reply #7 on:** November 11, 2009, 04:25:10 PM »

I propose that I make a philly defense and we play our ROOT game with these. Yea or nay?

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #8 on:** November 11, 2009, 04:32:29 PM »

Eh, Yea. It's not like ROOT is worth all that much, and I'm already behind on points to the leaders.

It can't be a Turtle Philly though - has to have an actual offense with a purpose.

Sean · « **Reply #9 on:** November 11, 2009, 05:12:38 PM »

I've put it together. Just need to make one substitution and I'll be a go. I'm very busy this week though. The best time will be tomorrow because I have no classes. Friday is out because I am leading an overnight hike.

Master KChief · « **Reply #10 on:** November 11, 2009, 05:39:16 PM »

yeah, post the decks.

Sean · « **Reply #11 on:** November 11, 2009, 06:06:03 PM »

I think we should post them after playing, that way it is a little more fair to each other. I'm assuming the deck above is not going to be used.

lightningninja · « **Reply #12 on:** November 11, 2009, 07:04:58 PM »

When I saw that you have only 1 or 2 easy-to-get-rid-of site access cards, and then saw that this was supposed to be anti-Philly... I have to admit that I laughed.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #13 on:** November 12, 2009, 09:28:09 AM »

Actually, most non-turtleing Philly decks I've seen haven't been running sites, which is why I wasn't particularly worried about them, and also I think I added in more stuff in the version I'm playing Sean with today.

Master KChief · « **Reply #14 on:** November 12, 2009, 12:04:21 PM »

honsetly, the best counter to phillies is holy grail and meeting the messiah. also, remember you can use holy grail if you start a rescue attempt and they search for a philly via philly outpost.

christiangamer25 · « **Reply #15 on:** November 12, 2009, 12:10:08 PM »

Altar of dagon anyone lalalala

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #16 on:** November 12, 2009, 12:12:49 PM »

Quote from: christiangamer25 on November 12, 2009, 12:10:08 PM

Altar of dagon anyone lalalala

This.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #17 on:** November 12, 2009, 01:16:29 PM »

Made me ROFL. I used it last year in a non-philly deck, but thats about the only time I've seen it.

3-Liner And Bags Of Chips · « **Reply #18 on:** November 12, 2009, 02:14:14 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on November 12, 2009, 12:04:21 PM

honsetly, the best counter to phillies is holy grail and meeting the messiah. also, remember you can use holy grail if you start a rescue attempt and they search for a philly via philly outpost.

What's the logic behind this? It would be cool if I could do that. Any reasoning behind it? Out of curiosity?

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #19 on:** November 12, 2009, 02:38:56 PM »

Cards in deck: 56
Lost Souls: 7
   Lost Soul (anti-burial)
   Lost Soul (can't be prevented)
   Lost Soul (Female Only)
   Lost Soul (N.T. only)
   Lost Soul (revealer)
   Lost Soul (shuffler)
   Lost Soul (Wanderer)

Lamb Dominants: 5
   Angel of the Lord
   Guardian Of Your Souls
   Harvest Time
   New Jerusalem
   Son of God

Grim Reaper Dominants: 4
   Burial
   Christian Martyr
   Destruction of Nehushtan
   Falling Away

Purple Sites: 1
   Assyria

Artifacts: 3
   Gifts of the Magi
   Hidden Treasures
   Holy Grail

Gold Heroes: 3
   Israelite Archer
   Joshua
   Simeon

Green Heroes: 6
   Armorbearer
   Caleb
   David
   Eleazar
   Hur
   Miriam

Multi-Color Hero Enhancements: 2
   Brass Serpent
   Feast of Trumpets

Gold Hero Enhancements: 2
   Deborah's Directive
   Meeting the Messiah

Green Hero Enhancements: 4
   Eleazar's Sword
   Plague of Frogs
   Provisions
   Two Bears

Pale Green Evil Characters: 9
   Assyrian Archer
   King Asnappar
   King Sargon II
   Prince of this World
   Spirit of Doubt
   The Assyrian Spoilers
   The Rabsaris
   The Rabshakeh
   The Tartan

Pale Green Evil Enhancements: 10
   Achan's Sin
   Assyria Conquers Israel
   Captured by Assyria
   Forgotten History
   Plunderers
   Slave Trade
   Stocks
   Tartan Attacks, The
   The Rabsaris Attacks
   Two Thousand Horses

This is what I played Sean with today - I won.

christiangamer25 · « **Reply #20 on:** November 12, 2009, 02:53:49 PM »

hmm i wanna vs that deck

msg me aim SinclairMgc

or facebook matt sinclair

Sean · « **Reply #21 on:** November 12, 2009, 03:02:38 PM »

Here's the Philly deck I used. I paired it with Teal and Green. The offense was supposed to be fast but ended up super slow.

Deck Count: 56
Lost Souls
Anti-Ignore
NT Only
Color Guard
Deck Discard
Site Discard
Women Only
Discarder
Hopper

Lamb Dominants
Son of God
New Jerusalem
Angel of the Lord
Harvest Time

Grim Reaper Dominant
Christian Martyr

Artifacts
Lampstand
Holy of Holies
Hidden Treasures
Book of the Covenant
Chariot of Fire
Altar of Dagon

Sites
Ashdod
Babylon
Babylonian Banquet Hall

Fortresses
Philistines Outpost
Temple of Dagon
Zerubbabel's Temple

Covenants
Covenant with Levi
Covenant with Phinehas

Heroes
Zecheriah
Jeremiah
Haggai
Miriam
Nathan
Joshua the High Priest
Joaida, son of Eliashib
Eli the Priest

Good Enhancements
Pentecost
First Fruits
Spiritual Warfare
Trumpet Blast
Burning Incense
Zeal for the Lord
Scapegoat
Two Bears
Benaiah Snatches a Spear
Provisions

Evil Characters
Philistine Armor Bearer
Philistine Garrison
Twelve-Fingered Giant
Philistine Priests
Fallen Warrior

Evil Enhancements
Bringing Fear
Philistine Chariot and Horses
Pride of Simon
Land Dispute
Overwhelmed by Philistines
Foolish Advice

christiangamer25 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 12, 2009, 03:04:26 PM »

ok well im game to face either of you but on a mac so no rts need to play via aim or facebook

Sean · « **Reply #23 on:** November 12, 2009, 03:05:51 PM »

No thanks.

Master KChief · « **Reply #24 on:** November 12, 2009, 05:27:12 PM »

Quote from: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on November 12, 2009, 02:14:14 PM

Quote from: Master KChief on November 12, 2009, 12:04:21 PM
honsetly, the best counter to phillies is holy grail and meeting the messiah. also, remember you can use holy grail if you start a rescue attempt and they search for a philly via philly outpost.

What's the logic behind this? It would be cool if I could do that. Any reasoning behind it? Out of curiosity?

you can use holy grail during the battle phase to convert an evil character outside of battle. philistine outpost searches for a philly then places in territory before they can add it to the battle.

3-Liner And Bags Of Chips · « **Reply #25 on:** November 12, 2009, 06:02:14 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on November 12, 2009, 05:27:12 PM

Quote from: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on November 12, 2009, 02:14:14 PM
Quote from: Master KChief on November 12, 2009, 12:04:21 PM
honsetly, the best counter to phillies is holy grail and meeting the messiah. also, remember you can use holy grail if you start a rescue attempt and they search for a philly via philly outpost.

What's the logic behind this? It would be cool if I could do that. Any reasoning behind it? Out of curiosity?

you can use holy grail during the battle phase to convert an evil character outside of battle. philistine outpost searches for a philly then places in territory before they can add it to the battle.

You can convert during battle but not the one that's in battle is what you are saying? I never heard of this...huh learn something new everyday XD

lightningninja · « **Reply #26 on:** November 12, 2009, 08:34:46 PM »

Well no wonder you won, Sean's deck is not even CLOSE to a normal Philistine deck that I've seen... it's just an offense heavy deck with a small defense. If his offense was slow you'd win, no question about it.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #27 on:** November 12, 2009, 09:21:04 PM »

Yeah, I realized that after I saw him post it, I think I could have handled just about any D in that situation. I even made mistakes because of what I assumed he'd be playing.

Master KChief · « **Reply #28 on:** November 12, 2009, 09:24:54 PM »

lulz, i find it funny he teched alter/temple of dagon against you. no one uses those cards.

christiangamer25 · « **Reply #29 on:** November 12, 2009, 09:31:45 PM »

yeah altar/ temple of dagon i think will see more play now cause it guards the garrison etc against some commonly used cards that could hurt it

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #30 on:** November 12, 2009, 11:58:04 PM »

And it can be pulled out by priest

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #31 on:** November 13, 2009, 01:14:52 AM »

Dagon's Crib has been underrated for years. Stopping conversion takes out some entire offenses, and most decks have at least some Conversion. Altar+Wasting Disease+LotS makes for a strong defense. No Conversion, your battle-winners can't be Interrupted by Reach, Words, or JI, and you're safe from ET and Jacob.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #32 on:** November 13, 2009, 04:01:37 PM »

Im wondering if the red Caleb would be more effective. Unless they have Foolish Advice in hand, their Garrison is permanently gone.

Also, red has David's Mighty Men, freedom (use on a philly in territory so they dont negate it), Baptism (same), Sibbechai (albeit he is a little more limited than Caleb) and Centurion hurts too.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #33 on:** November 13, 2009, 04:03:15 PM »

Yeah, I waffled also - but the Green Caleb allows for a lot of chemistry between the Gold in the deck - Red doesn't have as much interaction with other colors.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #34 on:** November 13, 2009, 04:06:25 PM »

Another thing you can always do... use Babel in your defense, and use their phillies against them.

Gabe · « **Reply #35 on:** November 13, 2009, 05:23:55 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on November 13, 2009, 04:01:37 PM

Im wondering if the red Caleb would be more effective. Unless they have Foolish Advice in hand, their Garrison is permanently gone.

Garrison is not a giant. Either Caleb is good against 12 Fingers, Goliath, Lami, Saph and Ish though.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #36 on:** November 13, 2009, 05:26:08 PM »

Really? I thought he was... my mistake.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #37 on:** November 13, 2009, 07:40:43 PM »

I thought he was too, don't worry about it

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