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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Deck Building & Design => Deck Concepts => Topic started by: Red Dragon Thorn on November 11, 2009, 02:33:50 PM
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Hey all, I've noticed that Philistines seem to be very (read 95% of decks I've seen) popular. So I decided to put together this little wonder.
The D is just what I tossed in, I'm not sure what I'll end up doing with it.
The Silver is also liable to change brigades entirely.
Cards in deck: 56
Lost Souls: 7
Lost Soul (anti-burial)
Lost Soul (can't be prevented)
Lost Soul (Female Only)
Lost Soul (N.T. only)
Lost Soul (revealer)
Lost Soul (shuffler)
Lost Soul (Wanderer)
Lamb Dominants: 5
Angel of the Lord
Guardian Of Your Souls
Harvest Time
New Jerusalem
Son of God
Grim Reaper Dominants: 4
Burial
Christian Martyr
Destruction of Nehushtan
Falling Away
White Sites: 1
Herod's Dungeon
Gold Sites: 1
Egypt
Artifacts: 3
Gifts of the Magi
Hidden Treasures
Holy Grail
Silver Heroes: 3
Captain of the Host
Seraphim
The Strong Angel
Green Heroes: 6
Armorbearer
Caleb
David
Eleazar
Hur
Miriam
Multi-Color Hero Enhancements: 3
Brass Serpent
Feast of Trumpets
Spiritual Warfare
Silver Hero Enhancements: 1
Gathering of Angels
Green Hero Enhancements: 4
Eleazar's Sword
Plague of Frogs
Provisions
Two Bears
Gold Evil Characters: 9
Herod Agrippa II
Herod Antipas
Herodias
Huge Egyptian
King of Tyrus
King Shishak
Potiphar's Wife
Queen Tahpenes
Salome
Multi-Color Evil Enhancements: 1
Herod's Treachery
Gold Evil Enhancements: 8
Egyptian Spear
Enslaved by Egypt
Evil Spirit
Failed Objective
Moses kills Egyptian
Outnumbered
Swift Horses
Wonders Forgotten
Advice? Ideas? I'm an idiot, this will never work?
Thanks,
RDT
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First, why would you build this. Nobody plays Philistines! ::)
It seems like an "Anti-Philly" deck should include the Tartan. ;)
P.S. - Your own Miriam will hose you if used against you. You need Wall or Protection or something. :o
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Good call on the Miriam issue, I can solve two problems at once if I switch to Assyrians for Tartan like you suggested, and Tartan like Agrippa allows me to get around Z's Temple protection. So its just as good.
Thanks Gabe!
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Philistines wouldn't have any problem against this deck in its current form. The Tartan will pose issues, but your Green enhancements will just get Negated, your FbtN will be blocked by 12FG, and you Gathered hero will get Martyred.
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Eleazar + Eleazar's Sword, Caleb. That was the premise of the deck ;) I need to work on it a bit more, this if far from complete.
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Eleazar+Sword can't beat Garrison if played in battle, and any pre-battle Discarding will just be undone by Outpost. And in both cases, Amon (a common inclusion in Philistine decks) can infini-block both of them with any battle-winner since you have no Negates. Beyond that, with only one Heal and no Chariot, if you get hit by both Wrath and Overwhelmed, you won't have an offense.
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Yeah, obviously it has issue's which is why I'm considering gold as the secondary color for its conversion factor.
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I propose that I make a philly defense and we play our ROOT game with these. Yea or nay?
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Eh, Yea. It's not like ROOT is worth all that much, and I'm already behind on points to the leaders.
It can't be a Turtle Philly though - has to have an actual offense with a purpose.
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I've put it together. Just need to make one substitution and I'll be a go. I'm very busy this week though. The best time will be tomorrow because I have no classes. Friday is out because I am leading an overnight hike.
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yeah, post the decks. :)
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I think we should post them after playing, that way it is a little more fair to each other. I'm assuming the deck above is not going to be used.
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When I saw that you have only 1 or 2 easy-to-get-rid-of site access cards, and then saw that this was supposed to be anti-Philly... I have to admit that I laughed. :D
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Actually, most non-turtleing Philly decks I've seen haven't been running sites, which is why I wasn't particularly worried about them, and also I think I added in more stuff in the version I'm playing Sean with today.
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honsetly, the best counter to phillies is holy grail and meeting the messiah. also, remember you can use holy grail if you start a rescue attempt and they search for a philly via philly outpost.
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Altar of dagon anyone lalalala
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Altar of dagon anyone lalalala
This.
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Made me ROFL. I used it last year in a non-philly deck, but thats about the only time I've seen it.
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honsetly, the best counter to phillies is holy grail and meeting the messiah. also, remember you can use holy grail if you start a rescue attempt and they search for a philly via philly outpost.
What's the logic behind this? It would be cool if I could do that. Any reasoning behind it? Out of curiosity?
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Cards in deck: 56
Lost Souls: 7
Lost Soul (anti-burial)
Lost Soul (can't be prevented)
Lost Soul (Female Only)
Lost Soul (N.T. only)
Lost Soul (revealer)
Lost Soul (shuffler)
Lost Soul (Wanderer)
Lamb Dominants: 5
Angel of the Lord
Guardian Of Your Souls
Harvest Time
New Jerusalem
Son of God
Grim Reaper Dominants: 4
Burial
Christian Martyr
Destruction of Nehushtan
Falling Away
Purple Sites: 1
Assyria
Artifacts: 3
Gifts of the Magi
Hidden Treasures
Holy Grail
Gold Heroes: 3
Israelite Archer
Joshua
Simeon
Green Heroes: 6
Armorbearer
Caleb
David
Eleazar
Hur
Miriam
Multi-Color Hero Enhancements: 2
Brass Serpent
Feast of Trumpets
Gold Hero Enhancements: 2
Deborah's Directive
Meeting the Messiah
Green Hero Enhancements: 4
Eleazar's Sword
Plague of Frogs
Provisions
Two Bears
Pale Green Evil Characters: 9
Assyrian Archer
King Asnappar
King Sargon II
Prince of this World
Spirit of Doubt
The Assyrian Spoilers
The Rabsaris
The Rabshakeh
The Tartan
Pale Green Evil Enhancements: 10
Achan's Sin
Assyria Conquers Israel
Captured by Assyria
Forgotten History
Plunderers
Slave Trade
Stocks
Tartan Attacks, The
The Rabsaris Attacks
Two Thousand Horses
This is what I played Sean with today - I won.
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hmm i wanna vs that deck
msg me aim SinclairMgc
or facebook matt sinclair
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Here's the Philly deck I used. I paired it with Teal and Green. The offense was supposed to be fast but ended up super slow.
Deck Count: 56
Lost Souls
Anti-Ignore
NT Only
Color Guard
Deck Discard
Site Discard
Women Only
Discarder
Hopper
Lamb Dominants
Son of God
New Jerusalem
Angel of the Lord
Harvest Time
Grim Reaper Dominant
Christian Martyr
Artifacts
Lampstand
Holy of Holies
Hidden Treasures
Book of the Covenant
Chariot of Fire
Altar of Dagon
Sites
Ashdod
Babylon
Babylonian Banquet Hall
Fortresses
Philistines Outpost
Temple of Dagon
Zerubbabel's Temple
Covenants
Covenant with Levi
Covenant with Phinehas
Heroes
Zecheriah
Jeremiah
Haggai
Miriam
Nathan
Joshua the High Priest
Joaida, son of Eliashib
Eli the Priest
Good Enhancements
Pentecost
First Fruits
Spiritual Warfare
Trumpet Blast
Burning Incense
Zeal for the Lord
Scapegoat
Two Bears
Benaiah Snatches a Spear
Provisions
Evil Characters
Philistine Armor Bearer
Philistine Garrison
Twelve-Fingered Giant
Philistine Priests
Fallen Warrior
Evil Enhancements
Bringing Fear
Philistine Chariot and Horses
Pride of Simon
Land Dispute
Overwhelmed by Philistines
Foolish Advice
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ok well im game to face either of you but on a mac so no rts need to play via aim or facebook
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No thanks.
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honsetly, the best counter to phillies is holy grail and meeting the messiah. also, remember you can use holy grail if you start a rescue attempt and they search for a philly via philly outpost.
What's the logic behind this? It would be cool if I could do that. Any reasoning behind it? Out of curiosity?
you can use holy grail during the battle phase to convert an evil character outside of battle. philistine outpost searches for a philly then places in territory before they can add it to the battle.
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honsetly, the best counter to phillies is holy grail and meeting the messiah. also, remember you can use holy grail if you start a rescue attempt and they search for a philly via philly outpost.
What's the logic behind this? It would be cool if I could do that. Any reasoning behind it? Out of curiosity?
you can use holy grail during the battle phase to convert an evil character outside of battle. philistine outpost searches for a philly then places in territory before they can add it to the battle.
You can convert during battle but not the one that's in battle is what you are saying? I never heard of this...huh learn something new everyday XD
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Well no wonder you won, Sean's deck is not even CLOSE to a normal Philistine deck that I've seen... it's just an offense heavy deck with a small defense. If his offense was slow you'd win, no question about it.
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Yeah, I realized that after I saw him post it, I think I could have handled just about any D in that situation. I even made mistakes because of what I assumed he'd be playing.
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lulz, i find it funny he teched alter/temple of dagon against you. no one uses those cards.
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yeah altar/ temple of dagon i think will see more play now cause it guards the garrison etc against some commonly used cards that could hurt it
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And it can be pulled out by priest
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Dagon's Crib has been underrated for years. Stopping conversion takes out some entire offenses, and most decks have at least some Conversion. Altar+Wasting Disease+LotS makes for a strong defense. No Conversion, your battle-winners can't be Interrupted by Reach, Words, or JI, and you're safe from ET and Jacob.
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Im wondering if the red Caleb would be more effective. Unless they have Foolish Advice in hand, their Garrison is permanently gone.
Also, red has David's Mighty Men, freedom (use on a philly in territory so they dont negate it), Baptism (same), Sibbechai (albeit he is a little more limited than Caleb) and Centurion hurts too.
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Yeah, I waffled also - but the Green Caleb allows for a lot of chemistry between the Gold in the deck - Red doesn't have as much interaction with other colors.
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Another thing you can always do... use Babel in your defense, and use their phillies against them.
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Im wondering if the red Caleb would be more effective. Unless they have Foolish Advice in hand, their Garrison is permanently gone.
Garrison is not a giant. Either Caleb is good against 12 Fingers, Goliath, Lami, Saph and Ish though.
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Really? I thought he was... my mistake.
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I thought he was too, don't worry about it ;)