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Title: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: Ammian on December 07, 2010, 04:07:48 PM
Hey everyone,

•Are there any artifacts/covenants that increase all NT heroes in play by 2/2?

•Likewise, are there any curses/artifacts that decrease all OT heroes in play by 2/2 or decrease all NT heroes in play by 2/2?

Thanks,
Ammian
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: soul seeker on December 07, 2010, 04:36:42 PM
1) I'm not sure

2)  There is a brown curse that decreases:  Plagued with Diseases is what I think it is called.  A common in the Priests expansion.

I don't mess with increase/decrease much so there may be others.
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: D-man on December 07, 2010, 05:13:03 PM
Elijah's Mantle increases all of your heroes by 2/2.
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: Ammian on December 07, 2010, 05:51:46 PM
Elijah's Mantle increases all of your heroes by 2/2.

Yep.  I'm pretty aware of that semi-useless card, as I have about 10 of it.  Not quite what I'm looking for, though.  Thanks anyway!

Still waiting for an answer,
Ian
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: Professoralstad on December 07, 2010, 10:18:58 PM
Hey everyone,

•Are there any artifacts/covenants that increase all NT heroes in play by 2/2?

No.

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•Likewise, are there any curses/artifacts that decrease all OT heroes in play by 2/2 or decrease all NT heroes in play by 2/2?

No. The only artifact/curse that decreases Heroes is Plagued with Diseases (0/2 or 0/3). The only artifacts/covenants that increase Heroes are Covenant with Salt (2/2 for OT) and Elijah's Mantle.

Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: TheJaylor on December 07, 2010, 10:24:07 PM
Hey everyone,

•Are there any artifacts/covenants that increase all NT heroes in play by 2/2?

No.

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•Likewise, are there any curses/artifacts that decrease all OT heroes in play by 2/2 or decrease all NT heroes in play by 2/2?

No. The only artifact/curse that decreases Heroes is Plagued with Diseases (0/2 or 0/3). The only artifacts/covenants that increase Heroes are Covenant with Salt (2/2 for OT) and Elijah's Mantle.


+1
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: Red on December 07, 2010, 10:29:43 PM
Elijah's Mantle increases all of your heroes by 2/2.

Yep.  I'm pretty aware of that semi-useless card, as I have about 10 of it.  Not quite what I'm looking for, though.  Thanks anyway!

Still waiting for an answer,
Ian
It makes FBTN beast just sayin.
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: The M on December 08, 2010, 04:55:02 PM
Why do you want to know?
Is there is COMBOCOMBOCOMBOCOMBO brewing?
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: Ammian on December 08, 2010, 08:58:56 PM
Why do you want to know?
Is there is COMBOCOMBOCOMBOCOMBO brewing?

There WAS ...in fact, there was an AMAZING combo ...but now it got shot down ...curse the lack of cards in this way!  Covenant of Salt is better than nothing, but...

Hey everyone,

•Are there any artifacts/covenants that increase all NT heroes in play by 2/2?

No.

Quote
•Likewise, are there any curses/artifacts that decrease all OT heroes in play by 2/2 or decrease all NT heroes in play by 2/2?

No. The only artifact/curse that decreases Heroes is Plagued with Diseases (0/2 or 0/3). The only artifacts/covenants that increase Heroes are Covenant with Salt (2/2 for OT) and Elijah's Mantle.



Thanks, Professoralstad.  That's what I thought ...I was just hoping I had missed something.

Elijah's Mantle increases all of your heroes by 2/2.

Yep.  I'm pretty aware of that semi-useless card, as I have about 10 of it.  Not quite what I'm looking for, though.  Thanks anyway!

Still waiting for an answer,
Ian
It makes FBTN beast just sayin.

It certainly does.  But I prefer Joseph's Silver Cup with DoN to keep their Holy of Holies/Ashera Poles/etc. at bay.  Tis a necessary compensation, I'm afraid.

Thanks for your answers, everyone!  I see the cards I require to pull off the awesome combo I was thinking simply do not exist ...how sad...

Blessings,
Ian Vroon
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: SomeKittens on December 08, 2010, 09:19:57 PM
What exactly was this combo of yours, hypothetically speaking?
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: joeycauldron on December 09, 2010, 11:36:58 PM
There is this combo that my brother discovered that decreases heros to nothing and you can't prevent it. Brown Birgade and High places are really the big key phrases here.
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on December 09, 2010, 11:39:52 PM
Would you be referring to Desolate Gateways and Plagued with Diseases...?
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: joeycauldron on December 09, 2010, 11:47:04 PM
Some of the many. Seeds of Rebellion, Rebellion, many many more.
There is this brown enhancement that sits in your territory and decreases 0/1 for each birgade in play and I think it prevents draw abilities.

Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Brown • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Place in an opponent's territory. Negate draw abilities used by that player. All Heroes in that territory are decreased by 0/X. • Play As: Place in an opponent's territory. Negate draw abilities used by that player. Decrease all Heroes in that territory by 0/X. • Identifiers: OT, X = number of good brigades in this territory.
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on December 09, 2010, 11:54:25 PM
yeah... I've played with brown decreases before, they just don't have enough punch to work in the current meta, which makes me sad. I want to see decrease and disease get some massive buffs.
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: joeycauldron on December 09, 2010, 11:56:09 PM
If you add just the right cards it will work.  ;D
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: The M on December 10, 2010, 05:56:15 PM
FACE OF DEATH WOOT!
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on December 10, 2010, 06:19:17 PM
Thats a one time shot.

Believe me... decrease alone doesn't have the power to compete... because it cant win battles very well.
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: joeycauldron on December 10, 2010, 08:07:25 PM
You don't have to face battles when there are no more heros to fight. They are all dead or kept from entering battle.
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on December 10, 2010, 08:16:10 PM
Yeah but by the time you kill all their heroes, they've won.
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: joeycauldron on December 10, 2010, 08:44:10 PM
Not with High Places  ;D
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on December 10, 2010, 08:48:36 PM
Its still not reliable enough. I wish it was.  :'(
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: joeycauldron on December 10, 2010, 08:50:23 PM
If you add just the right cards it will work.  ;D
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: Ironica on December 11, 2010, 12:49:05 PM
Thr problem is the lack of battle winners to survive the entire set up.  I, as well, would love to see decreases become stronger but for now, with so many cards you would have to have for it to reach its potential, you wouldn't have room for much battle winner enhancements.  And if you still don't believe us, then please show us your defense so we may learn the error of our ways :p
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: joeycauldron on December 11, 2010, 12:56:44 PM
The thing is, the defense got taken apart and seperated. I don't know why he did it but it is forever lost unless he can remember it. I'll ask him to see if he remembers.
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: SomeKittens on December 11, 2010, 01:04:12 PM
And it's still not very powerful against a good deck, which has mixed numbers.
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: Lamborghini_diablo on December 11, 2010, 01:48:28 PM
Thr problem is the lack of battle winners to survive the entire set up.  I, as well, would love to see decreases become stronger but for now, with so many cards you would have to have for it to reach its potential, you wouldn't have room for much battle winner enhancements.

I was thinking about it... if Cactus was to make this theme stronger... the key is evil characters that power the defense, so your enhancements can just be decreases with a few battle winners.

Brown EC - Immune to all heroes with a reduced toughness. Cannot be prevented.

Brown EC - If blocking a weakened hero, the first evil enhancement played cannot be negated.

Brown/PG EC - If the block is successful, all weakened heroes in play become paralyzed, and may not enter battle until healed.

etc.
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: Ironica on December 11, 2010, 02:13:21 PM
That would be some sweet ec (now I miss playing brown)
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: Ammian on December 12, 2010, 12:49:10 PM
Those would be some sweet evil characters.  But I could make up cards all day.  The point is, OT heroes are doomed and NT heroes are too powerful.  Cactus needs to balance this out.
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: SomeKittens on December 12, 2010, 12:52:34 PM
Those would be some sweet evil characters.  But I could make up cards all day.  The point is, OT heroes are doomed and NT heroes are too powerful.  Cactus needs to balance this out.
Actually, that's biblically sound.  We've got Jesus and the Holy Spirit.  OT heroes only had the prophets and priests.

But as anyone who knows me should know that I'd prefer a fun game over 100% accuracy.
Title: Re: Increase or decrease NT heroes 2/2
Post by: Ammian on December 18, 2010, 02:09:48 PM
Those would be some sweet evil characters.  But I could make up cards all day.  The point is, OT heroes are doomed and NT heroes are too powerful.  Cactus needs to balance this out.
Actually, that's biblically sound.  We've got Jesus and the Holy Spirit.  OT heroes only had the prophets and priests.

But as anyone who knows me should know that I'd prefer a fun game over 100% accuracy.

All of what you said is quite true - both for better and for worse.
 :)
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