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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Deck Building & Design => Complete Decks => Topic started by: Red on October 03, 2010, 02:51:25 PM
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Heros:4
Abshai
Adino
Noah
Noah's sons
GEs:3
Adino's spear
Ehud's dagger(WA)
Journy to Egypt
Lost souls:7
3 normal
Female
Wanderer
Nt only
shuffler
Doms:5
CM
Burial
AOTL
SOG
NJ
Arts/curses/covs:8
DD
Cov o noah
Given over to egypt
David's harp
Madness
I am redemption
I am creator
Kings sword
Sites:2
Promised land
Egypt
Evil Characters:11
Nero
Queen tahpenes
King shisak
King Elah
Egyptian charioteers
Pharoh's Magicans
Pharaoh neco
Egyptian Horsemen
Panic demon
Egyptain archer
Egyptain Wise Men
EEs:10
Egyptian Horses
moses kills Egyptian
Enslaved by Egypt
Joseph's brothers' Sceheme
Seemingly insignificant
Evil spirt
Fireball
Rivalry
Begging to go back
Lies
A New Beginning in the Flooded Nile
Lost Souls: 7
Covet
Blind
Darkness
Punisher
Wanderer
Prosperity
Wicked
Dominants:7
Son of God
The Second Coming
Three Woes
Angel of the Lord
A New Beginning
Christian Martyr
Falling Away (wa)
Utility: 6
I am Creator
Pitch and Gopher Wood
Covenant of Prayer
You Will Remain
Noah's Ark
Tree of Knowledge
Heroes:9
Angel of the Winds
Noah
Noah's Wife
Shem
Shem's Wife
Japeth
Japeth's Wife
Ham
Ham's Wife
Good Enhancements/DAE
The Flood
Faith of Noah
Faith of Sarah
Faith Among Corruption
Forbidden Fruit
Abraham's Descendant
The Rainbow
Seven Years of Plenty
Evil Characters:9
The Deceiver
Black/Gold Outsiders
Egyptian Magicians
Egyptian Wisemen (FoM)
The Hard-Hearted Pharaoh
The Murderous Pharaoh
Jannes
Jambres
Taskmaster (FoM)
Evil Enhancements:4
Egyptian Horses
Scattered
Abandonment
Failed Objective
Reserve:10
Not Alone
The Dove Returns
Eve's Descendant
Treasures of War
Uzzah
The Serpent
Evicted
No Straw
Moses Kills Egyptian
Ruthless
My my, how times have changed. Report and explanation coming on Land of Redemption when I can write it tomorrow. Jeremy's deck needs to go up soon too.
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Thrown into the sea is not in it... I am dissapointed. :(
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Seriously so this is it? So... if I have like 3 evil characters banded together you can't win? My deck would tear this up...
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It put up a good fight vs RTSmaniac one time then I had to go.
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Not what I heard.
This deck is trash.
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What did you hear?
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This deck is not trash if I had a way to stop banding It would be better.
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With all due respect, unless I'm missing something awesome (which I'm 95%) sure I'm not, this deck is trash. The Ratio's are bad, it's missing dominants all over the place, and apart from an early rescue the offence can't do a thing.
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I'm going to make this deck, card for card, and go up to a Roch tournament to win.
"Yeah. I use SOG in booster, s0n!"
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With all due respect, unless I'm missing something awesome (which I'm 95%) sure I'm not, this deck is trash. The Ratio's are bad, it's missing dominants all over the place, and apart from an early rescue the offence can't do a thing.
If a don doesn't ruin this noah keeps comeing back until you have no battlewinners.
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Ok, so your deck is countered by one card, one card that happens to be a staple. And guess what - 6/5 really isn't that hard to block straight up.
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and on a side note- adino only prevents all special abilities on enhancements (except banding and weapon-class). some people forget and think its characters too.
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Ok, so your deck is countered by one card, one card that happens to be a staple. And guess what - 6/5 really isn't that hard to block straight up.
Noah's 14/7.
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you guys have to understand he is working with a limited cardpool as well.
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It's a cool idea, but Gomer + KoT beats it.
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I have to agree. I don't see that offense winning a game. At all. UNLESS the opponent draws a ton of souls, no evil characters, and you draw SOG NJ off the bat. However, any offense could win in such a situation.
It might have a better chance if you used some battle winners, rather than relying on a rather weak 14/6 hero to win by the numbers. Also, where is Brass Serpent? That card is crucial for combo offenses. As i said to you in that PM, if the opponent gets a band higher than 15 defense, you have no chance of winning.
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His defense is seven not 6. And what if I call your offense trash? I personlly think job stinks.
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i personally think job is garbage too. but thats besides the point. :)
i think this deck has a chance. noah + noah's sons = win, and thats all he needs.
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i personally think job is garbage too. but thats besides the point. :)
i think this deck has a chance. noah + noah's sons = win, and thats all he needs.
MKC you rock.
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His defense is seven not 6. And what if I call your offense trash? I personlly think job stinks.
Job has one card that makes him unkillable, and has number of awesome enhancements to go with him. Noah has numbers and a bunch of other stuff that make him difficult to kill. Job>Noah.
Master Q has a point. KoT negates Noah's ability, and kills him. Ananias + Sapphira would too. Seven Sons and Herod's Temple would get around AoTL, and you're done for.
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dude you're forgetting covenant of noah. thats 4/10 TO THE FACE. this is why noah is way better.
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I WAS missing something. This deck is pretty awesome!
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dude you're forgetting covenant of noah. thats 4/10 TO THE FACE. this is why noah is way better.
How could I have been so blind? Thank you for saving me from ignorance, MKC.
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I WAS missing something. This deck is pretty awesome!
I know pol's sarcastic but I hope you aren't.
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I'm not being sarcastic. How can you beat a 4/10 enhancement late game? You can't, that's how.
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I'm not being sarcastic. How can you beat a 4/10 enhancement late game? You can't, that's how.
Gomer + KoT?
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ok, so he needs to add hoh to his deck, but then noah + noah's sons + cov of noah walks all over kot + gomers face.
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Exactly. Better yet, three nails. Stops Red Dragon AND Kot.
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boo. yah.
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Exactly. Better yet, three nails. Stops Red Dragon AND Kot.
Gomer + Ananias + Sapphira.
oh, and DoN/LuG.
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hg. and ht/lampstand.
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Exactly.
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hg. and ht/lampstand.
none of those cards are in this deck.
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Wut about Ittai + Eleazar's Sword + ANB. He can't stop that!
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Nazareth. So he keeps his Noah. Game over.
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Nazareth. So he keeps his Noah. Game over.
...he doesn't get a chance to rescue?
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Yes he does because that combo doesn't work anymore. ;)
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It still works. Someone is going to be using it this weekend at a tourny...
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It still works. Someone is going to be using it this weekend at a tourny...
I would say keep it quiet, but since nobody can stop the new and improved one...
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Haha good luck guys!
EDIT: Can't they block the RA though? With their new reset hand?
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Haha good luck guys!
EDIT: Can't they block the RA though? With their new reset hand?
ANB ends the battle.
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Exactly. Better yet, three nails. Stops Red Dragon AND Kot.
IF I were to play with this, which I wouldn't, I would add some if not all of the following:
Wool Fleece- take care of evil banding
3 Nails- take care of the slew of demons that would take this offense down
holies of holies- take care of FBTN
holy grail- knock out a couple pesky ECs
I don't like Noah or job decks myself. Not enough offensive options for my taste. May work if you perfect it though :)
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...Job doesn't have enough offense?
Allow me to show you my 105 card job offense sometime.
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...Job doesn't have enough offense?
Allow me to show you my 105 card job offense sometime.
I understand what you mean, and I know. My problem with job is that I like having several hero options when I rescue. Just my taste. I know there are several nice combos. I enjoy a deck full of heroes ;D
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Haha good luck guys!
EDIT: Can't they block the RA though? With their new reset hand?
ANB ends the battle.
It also says start a new turn... that seems like you shouldn't get a ls.
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Haha good luck guys!
EDIT: Can't they block the RA though? With their new reset hand?
ANB ends the battle.
It also says start a new turn... that seems like you shouldn't get a ls.
battle resolution happens. and then you start your new turn.
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Haha good luck guys!
EDIT: Can't they block the RA though? With their new reset hand?
ANB ends the battle.
It also says start a new turn... that seems like you shouldn't get a ls.
battle resolution happens. and then you start your new turn.
There has to be a point at which that happens, though. Either the battle phase ends before or after you shuffle everything. As such, they should then be able to play something either from their current hand or their new hand (such as an interrupt/play next) to try and prevent the rescue. They would have special initiative since they're losing the battle.
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Haha good luck guys!
EDIT: Can't they block the RA though? With their new reset hand?
ANB ends the battle.
It also says start a new turn... that seems like you shouldn't get a ls.
battle resolution happens. and then you start your new turn.
There has to be a point at which that happens, though. Either the battle phase ends before or after you shuffle everything. As such, they should then be able to play something either from their current hand or their new hand (such as an interrupt/play next) to try and prevent the rescue. They would have special initiative since they're losing the battle.
A New Beginning - If making a rescue attempt, remove this card from the game to shuffle all cards in play, set aside areas, and hands into decks. End the battle. All players draw 8. End the turn. Begin a new turn.
shuffle happens, battle resolution happens, draw happens, turn ends, new turn begins.
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A New Beginning - If making a rescue attempt, remove this card from the game to shuffle all cards in play, set aside areas, and hands into decks. End the battle. All players draw 8. End the turn. Begin a new turn.
shuffle happens, battle resolution happens, draw happens, turn ends, new turn begins.
That really doesn't make much sense, especially considering the easy way to abuse it. Would it be so hard for them to make a good errata for ANB? >_>
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I WAS missing something. This deck is pretty awesome!
I know pol's sarcastic but I hope you aren't.
Uhm, I'm 100% sure everyone that just said the deck was good is.
Here is my take, I appreciate your attempt to use little known/used cards to win but unless they are used EFFECTIVELY, you are better off using an often used hero.
I am going to sound mean but the truth is, a g/h starter could be this, maybe even a e/f.
I've seen Noah decks back in the day. I even used one. This is not one.
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Not what I heard.
This deck is trash.
Dude, cut the criticism and add constructive criticism. Not to sound rude, but what you said was rude.
Rude, yes, True, very yes. In order for constructive criticisms to be made, it'd change the WHOLE deck.
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It's all good. I always offer constructive criticism, but sometimes the best kind of constructive criticism is "scrap the deck."
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Eh I changed one day when the meta's diffent maybe a new verson of this deck will be good.
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doubtful.
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Yeah... the meta would have to be like "banned defenses" for this to be good. But then your defense would be banned so their offense would be quicker than yours and you would lose.
So yeah, I'll go with doubtful.
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Diffent verson aka back-ups figure out how to make noah better than he is in this deck.
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Diffent verson aka back-ups figure out how to make noah better than he is in this deck.
To be perfectly honest, Red, Noah is just not that good of a character. In order to make him any better statwise than any of Jacob's sons from Dan on up, he needs another character in play who is not even the same brigade. There are no cards that work well with just Noah (unlike Job), pretty much his only benefit to other cards is to make CoN a 4/10. It would be just as easy to make a Reuben deck as a Noah deck; it would be easier and Reuben's ability is better.
Now, since the story of Noah makes Noah a perfect Herolite candidate, perhaps a possible reprint someday will make a "Noah deck" something worth pursuing. But in reality, he is at best a Hero with a high strength who can't be targeted by maybe four usable defensive enhancements, but is susceptible to pretty much everything else
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4/10. to the FACE.
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Obedience of Noah could be fun on him too, 6/4 boost.
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I'm splashing Noah into my t2 deck for a tournament tonight. If I can find room.
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I'm splashing Noah into my t2 deck for a tournament tonight. If I can find room.
ditto. I'll make room.
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Noah is great if you abuse the fact that Noah gains any abilities that his sons have, allowing for some cool protection, etc. The thing is you have to abuse that properly.
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Noah is great if you abuse the fact that Noah gains any abilities that his sons have, allowing for some cool protection, etc. The thing is you have to abuse that properly.
Noah isn't great. he's unique.
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Ring Wraith and I plan to use this deck for TEAMS next month.
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so if you Gather Noah's Sons or Provision them and set them aside in say Goshen. Then Noah gains it also?
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Yus. But the Provisions wears off after the "first time." The only real good thing about Noah is being able to grab Gathering off a Hero not in battle, so you can recycle it if you lose the battle.
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Melchizedek's Blessing (Pi)
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Teal • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Place on an O.T. human Hero in a territory or set-aside area. While this card remains, Hero is protected from discard abilities, and each time that Hero enters battle, holder may draw a card.
Sounds like a good card to play off of Ahimaaz for this kind of deck
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Yeh. There is some novelty use for Noah, but every single time, the cardslots would be much better spent elsewhere.
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Noah as an evil character would be leet.
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Except Heroes lose their SA's when converted.
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boo!
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Welcome to Noah.dec 2.0.
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Haha, nice necropost lol.
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A New Beginning in the Flooded Nile
Lost Souls: 7
Covet
Blind
Darkness
Punisher
Wanderer
Prosperity
Wicked
Dominants:7
Son of God
The Second Coming
Three Woes
Angel of the Lord
A New Beginning
Christian Martyr
Falling Away (wa)
Utility: 6
I am Creator
Pitch and Gopher Wood
Covenant of Prayer
You Will Remain
Noah's Ark
Tree of Knowledge
Heroes:9
Angel of the Winds
Noah
Noah's Wife
Shem
Shem's Wife
Japeth
Japeth's Wife
Ham
Ham's Wife
Good Enhancements/DAE
The Flood
Faith of Noah
Faith of Sarah
Faith Among Corruption
Forbidden Fruit
Abraham's Descendant
The Rainbow
Seven Years of Plenty
Evil Characters:9
The Deceiver
Black/Gold Outsiders
Egyptian Magicians
Egyptian Wisemen (FoM)
The Hard-Hearted Pharaoh
The Murderous Pharaoh
Jannes
Jambres
Taskmaster (FoM)
Evil Enhancements:4
Egyptian Horses
Scattered
Abandonment
Failed Objective
Reserve:10
Not Alone
The Dove Returns
Eve's Descendant
Treasures of War
Uzzah
The Serpent
Evicted
No Straw
Moses Kills Egyptian
Ruthless
My my, how times have changed. Report and explanation coming on Land of Redemption when I can write it tomorrow. Jeremy's deck needs to go up soon too.
To be fair this deck is much better then the original. Congrats Jay.
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To be fair this deck is much better then the original. Congrats Jay.
This Jay is also much better than that one. ::) 8)
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After rereading this thread I want to publicly say to Jay that I am sorry for the behavior of past board members. I am sure you had moments of being a kid that frustrated people but what child doesn't have those moments? The posts in this thread alone where rude, condescending and out right mean.
This is showing me a history in this game that I didn't know existed. I am glad the boards are not currently like this. I see now how a "joke is on Jay culture" emerged. I have even laughed and made some jokes myself. I had always believed that it was entirely good natured. Apparently I was wrong. No one deserves this kind of pounding especially at the age you were.
I hope you no longer feel a need to prove yourself in redemption. You are a good player/deck builder. You have a good heart. I'm really happy for you placing this year! I hope this year has given you some satisfaction about your career, both where you were and where you are now. I bet the people in your life that know the deeper parts of you don't even reflect on redemption when the evaluate your value to them. You're a Christ follower and a servant of the Most High King. Your worth and strength come from the blood of Jesus, poured out for you. You belong in His family, you have value in Him and in the fact that you are an image bearer of God, the Father. You are filled with the Holy Spirit. In the light of this stuff, redemption means nothing.
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Eh I changed one day when the meta's diffent maybe a new verson of this deck will be good.
Called his shot. Well done, Jay. 8)
I was not active on the boards during this time, but I am ashamed as well of the bullying that took place. :(
I also regret and am sorry for the times I have not spoken up when someone has been the target of bullying on this forum.
May this board be a place where we lift each other up with words of encouragement.
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As one who did make posts of a despicable nature in this thread I am ashamed and appalled. Jay, you're a rockstar, and deserve major props for how well you've done in your Redemption career
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I must say, I have harbored no hard feelings from the remarks made at the time of the original thread. I'll have a longer response coming later today.
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I haven’t gone back and read this thread, but I’ll second the comments above and add that Jay has done an outstanding job of judging at the past two Nationals. It’s a pleasure to have him as part of the team. Sacrificing his option to compete in order to serve (when he’s not part of the elder team and under no obligation) is a reflection of his servant heart.
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While I still feel @Rawrlolsauce won the thread, that was kinda rough. I think once you get to know people personally they come across as less abrasive online, but we have to keep in mind that peoples' online experience here could be their only one if they get a bad impression.
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As one who "rags" Jay quite a bit, mostly due to silly/goofy things he says and does now (not in the past). I do hope that he realizes I cherish his friendship. He has been around my playgroup for a long time, and would do anything I ask in a heartbeat and without question. That type of friendship (regardless of it being form from a card game or not) is not easily earned. While me and others do give him a hard time (probably more than we should), we also try to help encourage him. Jay, you have said for several years now that you think Jeremy is a better player than you. But the fact is you have shown your abilities, and need to remember you are a good player in your own right. We have said that to you many times, so don't believe anything people who don't know you say. I actually know you don't, but it is always good to have a reminder or two!
Just a helpful hint, think about what you are about to say around us, because sometimes it is just to priceless to forget and not bring back up! :P (you know what I'm talking about!)
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Chris, i am with you and clearly you aren't in the vein of people bullying in thread. Sorry if my post felt like an accusation on you or your play group.
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I never expected this thread to become an anti-Redemption bullying campaign, but hey! I want everyone who has posted since I revived this monstrosity of a thread to know that I deeply cherish my friendships with each and everyone of you. Redemption has been a gigantic part of my life for the past ten years, and I hope to say that it continues for the next ten!
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Chris, i am with you and clearly you aren't in the vein of people bullying in thread. Sorry if my post felt like an accusation on you or your play group.
I didn't feel that way at all. I'm not even on this thread until today. :P But all that being said, if you have been around Jay and me for any period of time, you would probably have heard me rag on him. I'm just clarifying is all. My mentor growing up gave me this quote, "If people pick on you, that means they like you." The difference between the people on this thread and me is first, Jay knows me personally (probably doesn't everyone on this thread). Second, he knows I'm simply being silly when I mess with him, but others who don't know him or me might not.
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I haven’t been able to post on this until now due to work but I was reading it yesterday and wanted to say, “how in the world are you still playing after that brutal beatdown you took on this thread!?” Then I come back today you you got an overwhelming amount of well deserved love and support. Great job on placing especially with flood/Egyptians.
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Oh wow, I remember this. 4/10 to the face. ;D Seems I probably even posted some sort of advice on it way back when (something about Gomer/KoT stopping this offense cold?). That's the trouble with randomly deleting old posts, I suppose.
Your growth as a player over the years is a good example of what happens when you keep at something. Excellent work, good sir!
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Speaking of this thread, is the promised LoR article ever coming out? I'm really interested to hear the details.
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Speaking of this thread, is the promised LoR article ever coming out? I'm really interested to hear the details.
Yes! I've stalled a bit on writing due to an insane work schedule to catch up after nationals, but if I ever get time at home, it will be finished.