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Other Gaming => Board & Card Games => Topic started by: TheHobbit13 on July 03, 2010, 07:52:35 PM
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I would like to learn how to play yugioh, pokemon, and MTG (not collect just learn). Would anyone be willing to help me? I am going to be at North Central Regionals in MN and Nationals in Boston. I would prefer FTF but if no one that can teach me will be there than I will have to resort to pms. Also if any one plays Lord of the Ring CCG and is going to be at Nationals bring a deck/cards and we can trade or play.
I am just curious as to how the other card games work in comparison with redemption.
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Ill be at nats and I can play Lord of the Rings. What sets do you normally use and what site path do you use? I can also play MTG but I dont own any cards.
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MTG: Whoever is better at offending the conservative christians win. Listening to Dream Evil while using my leet Black Lotus has given me a win percentage of 9001%.
Pokemons: Whoever's cards look cooler wins. I use to have tons of pokemon cards....
Yugioh: Get in a fight then settle it like a man. By throwing cards at each other.
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Ill be at nats and I can play Lord of the Rings. What sets do you normally use and what site path do you use? I can also play MTG but I dont own any cards.
Well i have never been actually played at a tournament so I use what ever I can find, and I don't own very many of the new sites so you will have to provide those. My decks usually consist of the Newer cards.. I might have to go through an ex list and take stuff out of my deck.. cuz I likes the broken cards (keyward,lol). But yah I would like to play you, I think we met at Natz in KC.
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Yeah we did meet at the KC nats. Also btw Bryon Hake and another California player who is coming to nats also play Lotr a bit.
I use cards mostly from sets 1-9 and if I feel like using new cards I also use cards from sets 11 and 13. I frown at people who use cards past set 13 so if you do use any cards from sets 15 and up you will most likely see me make a those cards are uber op'd face :p So I assume you play expanded then? Where you use cards from all of the sets?
In our group we just use any kind of sites so you can use Fellowship Site, Rotk sites, TTT sites and Shadows sites all in the same site path. And if you did follow the EX'd list that would be welcome :p
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Yeah we did meet at the KC nats. Also btw Bryon Hake and another California player who is coming to nats also play Lotr a bit.
I use cards mostly from sets 1-9 and if I feel like using new cards I also use cards from sets 11 and 13. I frown at people who use cards past set 13 so if you do use any cards from sets 15 and up you will most likely see me make a those cards are uber op'd face :p So I assume you play expanded then? Where you use cards from all of the sets?
In our group we just use any kind of sites so you can use Fellowship Site, Rotk sites, TTT sites and Shadows sites all in the same site path. And if you did follow the EX'd list that would be welcome :p
Okay I will take a look at the x list... Some of my decks don't use many new cards any ways most of them are not op, at least I think I haven't touched my cards in a while so I will give it a look and try not to use the broken cards. Thanks.
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Sounds good hope to see you at nats! Btw I wouldnt mind you using a broken deck or two ive got a few semi broken decks of my own even though I dont use any banned or new cards cards :p
Ill also see if I can find a copy of the EX'd and restricted list somewhere...
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Sounds good hope to see you at nats! Btw I wouldnt mind you using a broken deck or two ive got a few semi broken decks of my own even though I dont use any banned or new cards cards :p
Ill also see if I can find a copy of the EX'd and restricted list somewhere...
Yah I have been looking but I haven't found anything...
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Here is the Movie Block X/Restricted List
both versions Horn of Boromir are X'd
1R40 Elrond, Lord of Rivendell
1R45 Galadriel, Lady of Light
1R80 Ottar, Man of Laketown
1U108 No Stranger to the Shadows-Restricted to 1
1R139 Savagery to Match Their Numbers
1U234 Ulaire Nertea, Messenger of Dol Guldur
1C248 Forces of Mordor
1R313 Sting-Restricted to 1
2R32 Flaming Brand-Restricted to 1
3R67 The Palantir of Orthanc
3R68 Saruman, Keeper of Isengard
3U106 Bill the Pony-Restricted to 1
3C108 Frying Pan-Restricted to 1
7U49 Steadfast Champion
7C96 Gondorian Captain
8C1 Aggression
10U2 Memories of Darkness
10C91 Mordor Fiend
10R and set 13R Galadriels are X'd
These is all of the cards the were X'd/Restricted before set 10. So anything else past set 10 you think is too op'd is your call.
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I can play yugioh, unfortunately I won't be coming to nationals, and I don't think I'll be going to regionals (but I will defiantly bring some yugioh decks if I do and tell you I'm coming).
I know how to play MTG, but at the moment I only have 4 cards (all of which are basic lands) so I won't be able to actually play.
Yugioh is fairly simple to learn (at least for the basics anyway) and I'd love to teach you if I get a chance
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I haven't played YGO in ages so I'm not sure what the meta is like anymore, and they came out with a whole new summon method since.... so yeah. I'll bring my cards to regionals though if you'd like. I'll do what I can to bring them to nationals also, I'm trying to keep my luggage to one back so we'll see.
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I can play yugioh, unfortunately I won't be coming to nationals, and I don't think I'll be going to regionals (but I will defiantly bring some yugioh decks if I do and tell you I'm coming).
I know how to play MTG, but at the moment I only have 4 cards (all of which are basic lands) so I won't be able to actually play.
Yugioh is fairly simple to learn (at least for the basics anyway) and I'd love to teach you if I get a chance
I you will lemme know.
I haven't played YGO in ages so I'm not sure what the meta is like anymore, and they came out with a whole new summon method since.... so yeah. I'll bring my cards to regionals though if you'd like. I'll do what I can to bring them to nationals also, I'm trying to keep my luggage to one back so we'll see.
Yah that would be cool.
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I'm going to toss a bump in here to state I'd like to learn the basics of some other CCGs as well. So now any teachers can have two student and feel important :)
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I start charging at 3 ;) So you guys better hope nobody else wants to learn.... :)
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I can actually play Yu-gi-oh a bit so I don't need you :p I just don't know very much about the Yu-gi-oh metagame.
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MTG is the best I think. I've been playing it for a long time. And I'm up to date on the new rules and what not.
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ok.
to be in a topic like this doesn't come everyday.
i have a bit of an announcement to make.
as of two weeks ago, i have returned to the card game that lead me into redemption in the first place; Yu-Gi-Oh!
i got back in the game when i was watching others play it and i felt the need to return to the game and so i got a structure deck and a collector's tin and im currently trying to get used to the whole "tributing to special summon" and i've gotten the "synchro summoning" down.
as soon as i can, i MIGHT post my yugioh deck if im allowed to.
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im currently trying to get used to the whole "tributing to special summon"
Wait, what?
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Pretty sure that is where you pay a cost to lay down a huge monster that has over 4 or five fireballs. I think you have to sacrifice a couple of your guys.
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If memory serves me right, 1-4 stars can be placed down without a sacrifice, 5-6 stars needs one sacrifice, 7+ stars require two sacrifices. YGO is a type of game where you are limited in what you can put down (five summons, five magic/trap cards/one envirement card). Its not that hard to learn (and not as complicated as Battletech (which is the third CCG that I know how to play)).
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But wayyyy broken compared to Redemption. Redemption doesn't have a one best deck like YGO has/had.
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But wayyyy broken compared to Redemption. Redemption doesn't have a one best deck like YGO has/had.
Gabe's deck :P.
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But wayyyy broken compared to Redemption. Redemption doesn't have a one best deck like YGO has/had.
Yes it does lol There have always been at least 1-2 very popular broken/overpowered decks floating around that 75%+ of the top players use.
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Look at 2009 nats' top 3 decks. Only one TGT and it was the strongest deck in the meta. A tier 2 deck(Ztemp) got third and teal/green got 2nd. None of those save TGT were tier 1.
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Look at 2009 nats' top 3 decks. Only one TGT and it was the strongest deck in the meta. A tier 2 deck(Ztemp) got third and teal/green got 2nd. None of those save TGT were tier 1.
Top 3 all had teal in them /arguement.
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None of those save TGT were tier 1.
lol
Also you forgot to look at the other decks in the top 20 there. (I know you cant see them but still). I know that at least 75% of the decks I played were TGT or Teal/Orange/Phili Decks at nats last year.
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Look at 2009 nats' top 3 decks. Only one TGT and it was the strongest deck in the meta. A tier 2 deck(Ztemp) got third and teal/green got 2nd. None of those save TGT were tier 1.
You realize that the Nats winning deck was NOT TGT don't you?
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It had TGT. It was a central part of the strategy thus IMO it can be calssified as TGT.
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It had TGT. It was a central part of the strategy thus IMO it can be calssified as TGT.
That's not true. The Garden Tomb was not in the deck. It was not even a central part of the strategy. The only TGT influence was the inclusion of a Green Joanna.
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wasnt the winner for 09 Gabes Z Temple Deck?
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Oh, I'm talking about Jon. I can't read I guess.
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What did Jon do?
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What did Jon do?
Prophet Preists.
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But wayyyy broken compared to Redemption. Redemption doesn't have a one best deck like YGO has/had.
...what? yugioh has a multitude of deck archtypes that have been in and out of top tier. definately far more variation than redemption has ever had. this is primarily why the banned/restricted list in ygo is so long and constantly updated: once a deck archtype proves itself too broken for the meta, swift changes are made to weaken that archtype by limiting/banning some staple cards from that archtype.
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But wayyyy broken compared to Redemption. Redemption doesn't have a one best deck like YGO has/had.
...what? yugioh has a multitude of deck archtypes that have been in and out of top tier. definately far more variation than redemption has ever had. this is primarily why the banned/restricted list in ygo is so long and constantly updated: once a deck archtype proves itself too broken for the meta, swift changes are made to weaken that archtype by limiting/banning some staple cards from that archtype.
Redemption's meta is far healthier than most games. And the 2008/2009 YGO meta had 1 good deck:Tele:DAD You can PM to figure out what that means.
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Redemption's meta is far healthier than most games.
i beg to differ, the very fact unbalanced cards go unchecked for an entire year (even sometimes longer *cough cough tgt) does not foster a healthy meta. but this is neither here nor there, as im talking about the numerous ygo decks that have rotated in and out of top tier status as compared to redemption...not so much the impact these decks have on the meta.
And the 2008/2009 YGO meta had 1 good deck:Tele:DAD You can PM to figure out what that means.
first of all, this was 2-3 years ago and much has obviously changed with roughly 4 sets a year since then. second of all, just because the 2008/2009 shonen jump circuit was oversaturated with teledad decks doesnt mean it was the 'only' top tier deck. third of all, teledad is completely nerfed now (and since march 2009, for that matter...a solid reason why ygo has a healthy meta) with dad and e-teleport being moved to limited.
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Does Redemption have OTKs? I don't think so. but i'll concede that many ygo decks good now. But Redemption since FBTN was nerfed at least 4 decks could win tournaments. That's a fairly healthly meta.
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Don't use Redemption and Balanced meta in the same sentence please. :-* There are to many staples that almost have to be in every deck.
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Does Redemption have OTKs? I don't think so. but i'll concede that many ygo decks good now. But Redemption since FBTN was nerfed at least 4 decks could win tournaments. That's a fairly healthly meta.
4? Name them.
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Don't use Redemption and Balanced meta in the same sentence please. :-* There are to many staples that almost have to be in every deck.
YGO is bad at that as well. Staples doesn't mean bad meta.Does Redemption have OTKs? I don't think so. but i'll concede that many ygo decks good now. But Redemption since FBTN was nerfed at least 4 decks could win tournaments. That's a fairly healthly meta.
4? Name them.
White NT, Disciples, Abom, Green. maybe even Green/Teal.
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Don't use Redemption and Balanced meta in the same sentence please. :-* There are to many staples that almost have to be in every deck.
YGO is bad at that as well. Staples doesn't mean bad meta.
Staples prevent a diverse meta. A diverse meta tends to be a more balanced meta. Therefore staples are bad.
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Don't use Redemption and Balanced meta in the same sentence please. :-* There are to many staples that almost have to be in every deck.
YGO is bad at that as well. Staples doesn't mean bad meta.
Staples prevent a diverse meta. A diverse meta tends to be a more balanced meta. Therefore staples are bad.
If staples are bad, then what are some duct tape cards that we can use to hold our decks together :P
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Don't use Redemption and Balanced meta in the same sentence please. :-* There are to many staples that almost have to be in every deck.
YGO is bad at that as well. Staples doesn't mean bad meta.
Staples prevent a diverse meta. A diverse meta tends to be a more balanced meta. Therefore staples are bad.
No they don't. A diverse meta is at least 4 decks that are viable. Redemption has at least four. If a meta is too diverse it creates luck as well.
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How does a diverse meta create luck? You could face a deck that's not expected, but that's not luck.
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I think what he means is that over-doing it with diversity can lead to a rock-paper-scissors situation, making your placing at tournaments depend a lot on which viable deck you used compared to which one the others used.
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I think what he means is that over-doing it with diversity can lead to a rock-paper-scissors situation, making your placing at tournaments depend a lot on which viable deck you used compared to which one the others used.
Exactly. You see that problem in T2 and I do not like it.
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I don't see that as a problem, but an extra layer of strategy.
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I think what he means is that over-doing it with diversity can lead to a rock-paper-scissors situation, making your placing at tournaments depend a lot on which viable deck you used compared to which one the others used.
Exactly. You see that problem in T2 and I do not like it.
I'm not sure that there is really that much variety in T2. At the biggest tourney of the year it seemed like most of the decks were very similar. However, I agree that winning in T2 is depends much more on matchups of decks than T1 does.
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I think comparing YuGiOh and Redemption is a little uneven since YuGiOh uses side decks. In other words, if I play the first game and see that you have a certain type of deck I just switch in some cards from my side deck that work against that strategy and do much better the second game. Also, right now in YuGiOh, Six Samurai are the overwhelming favorite and win every tournament I have been to (work at a card store part time). The only other viable deck currently is Plants and maybe Blackwings. Ironically MTG is the least likely to have a deck that overwhelms all others. Perhaps that is because they release a base set and three sets in the current play block about every 10 months. When you release that huge volume of cards then the game will be more fluid. It is almost like they keep people from settling on one deck type because there are so many cards constantly coming at them.
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Yeah, T2 decks this year are going to be largely similar (at least the good ones). You will be seeing Disciples, White Ladies, and Job on offense (with some similar stuff like Bulletproof Samson thrown in). On defense, you will see largely stuff like Pharisees or the typical Horses decks. Based on the T2, I doubt there will be much diversity, so that's not a problem.
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Ironically MTG is the least likely to have a deck that overwhelms all others. Perhaps that is because they release a base set and three sets in the current play block about every 10 months. When you release that huge volume of cards then the game will be more fluid. It is almost like they keep people from settling on one deck type because there are so many cards constantly coming at them.
Not to mention set rotation, and the ability to print counters. All of which keep people buying cards....