Author Topic: The NFC and AFC championship games (Read 9884 times)

AJ · « **on:** January 14, 2014, 06:26:31 PM »

I think 9ers will beat the Seahawks in a sluggfest the Patriots will beat the Broncos in a shootout.

yirgogo · « **Reply #1 on:** January 14, 2014, 07:18:42 PM »

I think that the seahawks will win because they are at home, and the patriots because in their last game brady didn't throw any touchdowns, but the team still managed to get 6!!

jbeers285 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 14, 2014, 07:19:20 PM »

Quote from: AJ on January 14, 2014, 06:26:31 PM

I think 9ers will beat the Seahawks in a sluggfest the Patriots will beat the Broncos in a shootout.

I hope your wrong as I can't stand "Tom Terrific" and all his espn fan boys. Nor can I stand the head coach of a spy-gate team which effected NFL history. I am not exactly a Manning or Elway fan but I dislike them less than the Cheatriots.

I lived in Seattle for 11 years and they have always been my NFC team. Lynch and that defense are so fun to watch. I feel like Capernick is a total punk (site the"I'm the man" commercial) and I think harbaugh is whiner.

(Granted I am steeler fan first. I really don't want any other franchises having 6 SB titles before the Steelers get to 7.)

AJ · « **Reply #3 on:** January 14, 2014, 09:27:23 PM »

Wow i love how someone brought up spygate especially when the other teams in the league did the same thing. Whats wrong with Tom Teriffic he can't help that he came back from a 24-0 halftime deficit to beat the best offense i NFL history.Everyone dislikes Tom because he wins i do agree with you that CK is a punk as i can't stand him i want the hawks to win i just don't think they will.Oh and to your espn fanboy thing Manning has gotten more attention than Brady did this year.

Chris · « **Reply #4 on:** January 14, 2014, 09:42:02 PM »

Every single NFL team cheats on some level or another, whether it be the Patriots spying or the Saints' bounty program. The only difference is who ultimately gets caught. I don't really think there's much of a point in holding the scandal against them when it happened literally seven years ago. Brady has consistently shown that he's the best quarterback active today, and regardless of past actions by the Patriots, that remains true. If you want to hate on Brady and Belichick, you can do that, but you have to at least acknowledge how talented a pair they really are.

Anyway, I think that the Pats are going to edge out Denver on Sunday. Brady was on-point for most of the game last weekend, but Manning was struggling. I think the Broncos winning had far more to do with the Chargers imploding than anything else. If good Manning shows up on Sunday, they should win, since the difference between Brady and Manning at their best is negligible right now and the Pats are suffering from an unbelievable number of injuries. If Playoff Manning shows up though, I don't think they have much hope. Based on last week's performances, I think the Pats win by a field goal, maybe a touchdown.

The 49ers have a legitimate shot at taking down Seattle, especially because Seattle was not nearly at their best last weekend. I still think Seattle can and will win, but I expect it to be a very close game all the way through. I'm more confident that the Pats will win than I am the Seahawks will win.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 14, 2014, 09:57:16 PM »

Brady has won 0 Super Bowls since spygate and everyone else does it is not a valid argument in any level of debate

I will say brady is talented although I think a lot of credit falls on belicheck Cassel went 11-5 under him on the same team.

Redoubter · « **Reply #6 on:** January 14, 2014, 10:08:28 PM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on January 14, 2014, 09:57:16 PM

Brady has won 0 Super Bowls since spygate and everyone else does it is not a valid argument in any level of debate

Brady has also been to more AFCCG and Super Bowls than anyone in recent history, so I can't see how that's even an argument. And the 'cheating' in SpyGate truly was something other teams did, and wasn't even that effective (look up what actually happened and analysis on it, it didn't help). If it were that effective, everyone else who did it then (and since, it's silly to think taping others doesn't happen now) would have seen similar success. The Pats see success because they have a fantastic organization and coach, and have one of the better QBs of all time. They have actually done worse (if you only want to count winning a Superb Owl as 'good') since Brady became the center of their offense, that more correlates than does anything with "spying" on other teams.

I've never understood the insistence that SpyGate is the reason they haven't won it all, or that somehow the Patriots are just not that good since. Being the top 4 or top 2 of 32 teams just about every year seems to be pretty good, and somehow they can outdo every other franchise in success without this "spying" that apparently won them Super Bowls (which it didn't).

On my picks, I'll be a rebel: I pick the 49ers on the NFC side by 4 points, and I think Mr. Fivehead (of the Broncos) is going to win it in the AFC, by 10 points.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 14, 2014, 10:11:48 PM »

No one else got fined for it and the NFL is without a doubt going to produce stuff saying its minimal impact on the game to protect the product

Redoubter · « **Reply #8 on:** January 14, 2014, 10:18:50 PM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on January 14, 2014, 10:11:48 PM

No one else got fined for it and the NFL is without a doubt going to produce stuff saying its minimal impact on the game to protect the product

Why would the NFL say that it wasn't influential, when they slapped a huge fine and took a draft pick? They demonized the Saints too for what they did, and whenever they mete out punishment they always try to say how 'grave' it is and how much it 'hurts the game', so that there is justification for what they just did.

Also, I'm referring to sports writers who did analysis on this sort of thing, and experts in the game, who don't see how this helped at all, especially help win Super Bowls.

And really, 'no one else got fined' is not a good argument for saying no one else did it, only that no one else got caught (read: no one turned them in). For reference, all teams have "bounty" systems in place, and someone who talks 'tough' about hurting other players. It is unlikely that most teams have a coach who coordinates the bounty payments, or a coach who encourages hurting other players, but many players have admitted that their teams do something very similar to what the Saints did. Why did only the Saints get penalized? Because someone recorded them and sent in evidence (most of which we still haven't seen, but that's beside the point). No one else got caught, but they all did it (and most still do).

jbeers285 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 14, 2014, 10:24:38 PM »

Quote from: Redoubter on January 14, 2014, 10:18:50 PM

Quote from: jbeers285 on January 14, 2014, 10:11:48 PM
No one else got fined for it and the NFL is without a doubt going to produce stuff saying its minimal impact on the game to protect the product

Why would the NFL say that it wasn't influential, when they slapped a huge fine and took a draft pick? They demonized the Saints too for what they did, and whenever they mete out punishment they always try to say how 'grave' it is and how much it 'hurts the game', so that there is justification for what they just did.

Also, I'm referring to sports writers who did analysis on this sort of thing, and experts in the game, who don't see how this helped at all, especially help win Super Bowls.

And really, 'no one else got fined' is not a good argument for saying no one else did it, only that no one else got caught (read: no one turned them in). For reference, all teams have "bounty" systems in place, and someone who talks 'tough' about hurting other players. It is unlikely that most teams have a coach who coordinates the bounty payments, or a coach who encourages hurting other players, but many players have admitted that their teams do something very similar to what the Saints did. Why did only the Saints get penalized? Because someone recorded them and sent in evidence (most of which we still haven't seen, but that's beside the point). No one else got caught, but they all did it (and most still do).

Any evidence to support "every one does it and most still do?" That still doesn't make it right.

Hines Ward to this day contends that patriots defenses knew their audibles in 2004, probably didn't have much impact on the game though.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #10 on:** January 14, 2014, 10:33:57 PM »

The 49ers are 0-4 AGS against Seattle since last year.

Redoubter · « **Reply #11 on:** January 14, 2014, 11:23:56 PM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on January 14, 2014, 10:24:38 PM

Hines Ward to this day contends that patriots defenses knew their audibles in 2004, probably didn't have much impact on the game though.

He can say that, and Mangini (who turned in the Pats) can say that the only reason he turned it over was that he "didn’t think it was any kind of significant advantage, but I wasn’t going to give them the convenience of doing it in our stadium." The allegation that this was done for the Super Bowl as well was withdrawn after proven false.

Quote from: jbeers285 on January 14, 2014, 10:24:38 PM

Any evidence to support "every one does it and most still do?" That still doesn't make it right.

Actually, Jimmy Johnson answers the first part very clearly, and also emphasizes your second part in that it was wrong since the league sent out a memo not to do it (but other teams did it before, and after, anyway):
"This is exactly how I was told to do it 18 years ago by a Kansas City Chiefs scout. I tried it, but I didn't think it helped us. Bill Belichick was wrong because he videotaped signals after a memo was sent out to all of the teams saying not to do it. But what irritates me is hearing some reactions from players and coaches. These players don't know what their coaches are doing. And some of the coaches have selective amnesia, because I know for a fact there were various teams doing this. That's why the memo was sent to everybody. That doesn't make [Belichick] right, but a lot of teams are doing this."

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on January 14, 2014, 10:33:57 PM

The 49ers are 0-4 AGS against Seattle since last year.

Which is why I'd say I'm a rebel with the pick, but I also go with the belief that they are 'due', as it were

I won't be surprised who wins that game, but I think the 49ers will take it, by 4. Last minute drive by the Seahawks, needing a TD, will end in a controversial call on 4th down (because, why not, it's the Seahawks

).

lp670sv · « **Reply #12 on:** January 15, 2014, 01:20:27 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on January 14, 2014, 10:33:57 PM

The 49ers are 0-4 AGS against Seattle since last year.

No they aren't, SF won 19-17 in SF this year.

lp670sv · « **Reply #13 on:** January 15, 2014, 01:42:19 AM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on January 14, 2014, 09:57:16 PM

Brady has won 0 Super Bowls since spygate and everyone else does it is not a valid argument in any level of debate

So have about 50+ other quarterbacks. winning the superbowl is a rare thing, it doesn't happen that often, that's why it was so impressive when they won 3 in 4 years. If the Patriots go to the Super Bowl this year they will have done so in 50% of the season Brady has started. Do you understand how amazing that is? Spygate or not Brady is the best QB in NFL history and trying to discredit him for something that happened over a decade ago is laughable.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #14 on:** January 15, 2014, 08:09:04 AM »

Haters gonna hate.

What I personally like about Brady is that he has done well over so many years without a steady receiver corps. Most of the great QBs had reliable WRs throughout their career (i.e. Marino had the "Mark Bros.", Montana had Rice, Aikman had Irvin). A lot of Hall of Fame QBs had Hall of Fame WRs. Brady has managed to do well with a variety of WRs & TEs over the years.

Drrek · « **Reply #15 on:** January 15, 2014, 09:36:32 AM »

Quote from: lp670sv on January 15, 2014, 01:42:19 AM

Quote from: jbeers285 on January 14, 2014, 09:57:16 PM
Brady has won 0 Super Bowls since spygate and everyone else does it is not a valid argument in any level of debate

So have about 50+ other quarterbacks. winning the superbowl is a rare thing, it doesn't happen that often, that's why it was so impressive when they won 3 in 4 years. If the Patriots go to the Super Bowl this year they will have done so in 50% of the season Brady has started. Do you understand how amazing that is? Spygate or not Brady is the best QB in NFL history and trying to discredit him for something that happened over a decade ago is laughable.

I disagree with Brady being the best QB in NFL history, and I don't like the Patriots at all, and I still have to say that Spygate really doesn't have much of anything to do with the Patriots' successes

Professoralstad · « **Reply #16 on:** January 15, 2014, 11:02:06 AM »

49ers > Seahawks--I think the same thing will happen this week as last week: the 49ers will show that they are really the most well-rounded team with the best coach in the NFC (say what you will about Harbaugh's intensity/whininess, he has brought his team to the NFC Championship every year since taking over as head coach. That's pretty impressive). The 49ers are the team that belongs in the playoffs, and the Seahawks, while good, simply won't be ready for such a high-stakes game.

Broncos > Pats--This should be one of the best Conference Championship games I have seen in a long time. I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats win, just because there is almost nothing the Pats can do from this point forward that will surprise me, but I think ultimately it will be Manning representing the AFC in the Super Bowl. The Broncos just have too many weapons, and will be the most able to take advantage of the Patriots' weaknesses. But I don't expect it to be a blowout.

AJ · « **Reply #17 on:** January 15, 2014, 11:06:30 AM »

No one likes the Pats they cant help that they have had a winning record every season since 2001.

Brady has pretty much carried his team this year the team is so rattled with injuries it would be a miracle if they won the SuperBowl this year although i think they will.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #18 on:** January 15, 2014, 11:11:54 AM »

Quote from: AJ on January 15, 2014, 11:06:30 AM

No one likes the Pats they cant help that they have had a winning record every season since 2001. Brady has pretty much carried his team this year the team is so rattled with injuries it would be a miracle if they won the SuperBowl this year although i think they will.

I wouldn't say miraculous, it would just emphasize that Brady is best QB of our era (I don't think I could say all time, but it'd be close for sure). But I just think it is more likely that Manning will claim the best ever season for a QB and cement it with a SB win.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 15, 2014, 11:39:06 AM »

@JSBeers

Big Ben's fat , Polamalu's a girl, and Mike aka "12th Man" Tomlin is a dirty prisoner.

Moving on:

New England had there fun with one of the worst divisions in the football and got to play the Colts who had arguable the worst defense of all playoff teams. Now Tom Brady has to go on the road and basically play a better team who is, ironically, better then they are at almost every position. The party is over hope it was fun while it lasted.... I actually do hope it was fun for you guys in NE. I love football so much and just wish the Vikings could get their act together. The one season Aaron Rodgers goes done the one season we don't have a defense and a QB. Basically we were Greenbay there for a while the difference is we won/tied close games and they won them. I am so excited for the draft. If we don't draft a quarter back or make a trade for one I don't know what I will do, probably be a Lions fan for a while... love me some Motor-City Kitties

So I like the Broncos

And

SaltHawks
The NFC game is more difficult to predict imo. I think the Niners have an advantage if they can get Frank Gore going because lets face it Seattle's front 4 is not so good. I would imagine Davis gives the hawks even more matchup problems. Lynch is good for the Hawks but I can't see him having a great game because San Fran has good linebackers. Basically Seattle's D will keep everything in front of them while San Fran will give up a big play or 2. Combine that with Seattles kicker (the real 'beast mode' imo), recent history with the Niners, and Home field. I'd say the Salt Hawks win comfortabley

SUPER pumped for the great games this year and a GREAT superbowl no matter how you slice it. I will be cheerring for a Denver 49ers matchup because I think that would be the best possible game.

MitchRobStew · « **Reply #20 on:** January 15, 2014, 01:09:40 PM »

Kap can't win in Seattle. He's folded like a lawn chair every time he's played in Seattle and I expect the same to occur again. His Beat headphone won't help him out. But that's what happens when you are a QB incapable of going through progressions, going against the best secondary in the NFL.

The AFC champ game will be by far the better game. I expect the Broncos to win a close one. The two goats battling it out.

AJ · « **Reply #21 on:** January 15, 2014, 01:16:17 PM »

It wasn't fun while it lasted cuz its still going Brady gets his 4th ring soon.

lp670sv · « **Reply #22 on:** January 15, 2014, 01:47:30 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit on January 15, 2014, 11:39:06 AM

New England had there fun with one of the worst divisions in the football and got to play the Colts who had arguable the worst defense of all playoff teams. Now Tom Brady has to go on the road and basically play a better team who is, ironically, better then they are at almost every position.

You realize that Denver have a terrible defense too? They are one spot above the Colts in defensive rankings on the season and lost their best CB for the season last game. Brady is 10-4 against Manning and played most of those games against teams that were "better at almost every position".

jbeers285 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 15, 2014, 01:53:07 PM »

@TheHobbit
I don't know who JSBeers is

The Guardian · « **Reply #24 on:** January 15, 2014, 03:03:40 PM »

Seattle doesn't lose at home...Russell Wilson is 16-1 at home as the starter, and the one loss was an almost meaningless game. Pete Carroll probably wanted to lose that game just so his players wouldn't become complacent.

I like the Broncos in the AFC. I simply don't think Manning lets the Broncos lose another home play-off game. Also, while I believe that Belicheck is the greatest coach I have ever seen at getting the most out of the available players he has (i.e. the ones who aren't injured), I think he just has too many injuries to deal with this season to beat the Broncos. If the game were in New England, I would probably be picking the Patriots to win.

Here's a fun prediction for the AFC game: the team with possession of the ball with exactly 1 minute left on the clock will win the game.

AJ · « **Reply #25 on:** January 15, 2014, 03:05:01 PM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on January 15, 2014, 01:53:07 PM

@TheHobbit
I don't know who JSBeers is

He obliviously meant you because your the only 'Beers' posting on the thread so don't make a post about someones typo when you know what they meant.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #26 on:** January 15, 2014, 03:20:06 PM »

Quote from: AJ on January 15, 2014, 03:05:01 PM

Quote from: jbeers285 on January 15, 2014, 01:53:07 PM
@TheHobbit
I don't know who JSBeers is
He obliviously meant you because your the only 'Beers' posting on the thread so don't make a post about someones typo when you know what they meant.

You miss the jest in this post

He targeted me for name calling by calling guys I like names. His post was funny and I believe intended to get under my skin (just a little bit)

My post was a jest to point out that it had no impact on me whatsoever.

Sorry if you got offended AJ but you missed the point.

Back on topic

I am not sure that the front 4 of Seattles defense is terrible. It produces a solid pass rush and has done a fair job stopping the run all season. They may look bad bc they are the worst part of a top tier defense. Average or good surrounded by great makes average/good appear subpar.

AJ · « **Reply #27 on:** January 15, 2014, 03:35:14 PM »

I was not offended i just didn't know it was a jest sorry.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 15, 2014, 03:40:32 PM »

:-) No sweat

It's a beautiful Wednesday and it's only 3 days till we get game one of two championship games that will be awesome.

dermo4christ · « **Reply #29 on:** January 15, 2014, 11:37:36 PM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on January 14, 2014, 07:19:20 PM

Quote from: AJ on January 14, 2014, 06:26:31 PM
I think 9ers will beat the Seahawks in a sluggfest the Patriots will beat the Broncos in a shootout.

I hope your wrong as I can't stand "Tom Terrific" and all his espn fan boys. Nor can I stand the head coach of a spy-gate team which effected NFL history. I am not exactly a Manning or Elway fan but I dislike them less than the Cheatriots.

I lived in Seattle for 11 years and they have always been my NFC team. Lynch and that defense are so fun to watch. I feel like Capernick is a total punk (site the"I'm the man" commercial) and I think harbaugh is whiner.

(Granted I am steeler fan first. I really don't want any other franchises having 6 SB titles before the Steelers get to 7.)

I can't stand "Tom Terrific" either...but I do like the Patriots chances in the AFC game. I have been a long time Patriot fan. NFC my all time fav are definitely the Niners!!!!! I grew up watching Montana, Rice, Lott, and Craig....and of course the original "The Catch" from Montana to Clark! And then the second "The Catch" from Garcia to Owens vs. the Cheeseheads. I do, however, worry about the SF vs. Seattle game because of the crowd at Seattle's home. It's always crazy. I'm pulling for my Niners though! I do agree that Harbaugh needs to man up a bit! There will never be another Niners coach like Bill Walsh! He was definitely the very best!

Sadness · « **Reply #30 on:** January 16, 2014, 04:45:41 AM »

Seahawks by 6 and Denver by 3. But knowing my luck,it'll be Pats vs 49ers in the Super Bowl.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #31 on:** January 16, 2014, 10:46:55 AM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on January 15, 2014, 03:40:32 PM

:-) No sweat

It's a beautiful Wednesday and it's only 3 days till we get game one of two championship games that will be awesome.

Actually, both Championship games are on Sunday. But yeah, I agree that both games will be awesome.

AJ · « **Reply #32 on:** January 16, 2014, 05:42:34 PM »

Wow Manning just said to reporters that he thinks Belichik is the best coach of all time i agree with Payton.

Redoubter · « **Reply #33 on:** January 19, 2014, 09:51:00 PM »

Quote from: Redoubter on January 14, 2014, 10:08:28 PM

On my picks, I'll be a rebel: I pick the 49ers on the NFC side by 4 points, and I think Mr. Fivehead (of the Broncos) is going to win it in the AFC, by 10 points.

Well, one out of two exactly correct isn't bad

Oh well.

Iamalittleking · « **Reply #34 on:** January 19, 2014, 10:05:05 PM »

Should have said Seattle and would have guessed the winning teams pre week 1. So close yet so far.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #35 on:** January 19, 2014, 10:37:27 PM »

All I can say is wow!

dermo4christ · « **Reply #36 on:** January 19, 2014, 10:49:25 PM »

My Pats played like crap and the Niners were robbed! Throwing to double coverage in the endzone....what were you thinking Kap!!!?

lp670sv · « **Reply #37 on:** January 20, 2014, 12:08:02 AM »

I don't think you understand what the term "robbed" means if you think they were robbed because Kaep made an incredibly poor decision and practically dared Richard Sherman to end the game.

Redoubter · « **Reply #38 on:** January 20, 2014, 04:50:46 PM »

Quote from: lp670sv on January 20, 2014, 12:08:02 AM

I don't think you understand what the term "robbed" means if you think they were robbed because Kaep made an incredibly poor decision and practically dared Richard Sherman to end the game.

Unless you look at it as the Seahawks "stealing" it, which they certainly did when they kept taking the ball from Kaep

lp670sv · « **Reply #39 on:** January 20, 2014, 06:40:44 PM »

Fun fact, on the play that would end up being the game winning TD for Seattle the Hawks kicker made the call not to attempt the field goal. thats why he took so long to get on to the field and when he did he just stared down the play clock. He never had any intention of trying the kick, knew he couldn't make a 53 yarder (his career long is 54) in to the wind.

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Author Topic: The NFC and AFC championship games (Read 9884 times)

Chris

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