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Offline Reth

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Targetting from Side Battle - always possible?
« on: March 24, 2018, 07:44:14 PM »
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Hi altogether,

just to get it clear for myself:

According to REG: "Cards in a suspended battle can be targeted and can be affected during the side battle." and when using War in Heaven in side battle I'd assume I cannot target a card in main battle (and maybe revert the Side Battle) with it since it is currently not opposing - am I right?

War in Heaven: "Negate and discard an opposing card in battle (except a human)."

But if I can use a less specific negate I would be able to target out of side battel e.g. an enhancement in main battle like Sword of the Lord which caused the Side Battle and hence revert the entire Side Battle? This would be my understanding of the REG. Is this correct?

Sword of the Lord: "Holder may take any two Evil Characters in play and cause them to fight each other. The loser is discarded."

Thanx in advance!

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Re: Targetting from Side Battle - always possible?
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2018, 07:58:29 PM »
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You are correct on both counts.
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Re: Targetting from Side Battle - always possible?
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2018, 08:11:29 PM »
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Even if War in Heaven didn't use "opposing", it still couldn't target a card in the main battle because "in battle" actually means "in the current battle". It would need to say "in the Field of Battle" to target a card in the main battle.
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Re: Targetting from Side Battle - always possible?
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2018, 08:52:58 AM »
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Ask not what the side battle can do for you... but what you can do for the side battle.
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Re: Targetting from Side Battle - always possible?
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2018, 08:59:09 AM »
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Quote from: RedemptionAggie on March 24, 2018, 08:11:29 PM
Even if War in Heaven didn't use "opposing", it still couldn't target a card in the main battle because "in battle" actually means "in the current battle". It would need to say "in the Field of Battle" to target a card in the main battle.

That’s not confusing at all. Gotta love Redemption rules.
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Re: Targetting from Side Battle - always possible?
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2018, 11:32:56 AM »
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Quote from: Watchman492 on March 25, 2018, 08:59:09 AM
That’s not confusing at all. Gotta love Redemption rules.

If a card targets cards "in battle", it defaults to "this battle".  Most abilities have defaults that aren't printed on the card - such as if a card doesn't say where it targets, the default is always "in play".
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Re: Targetting from Side Battle - always possible?
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2018, 12:09:33 PM »
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That's fine but this should be the rule for any battle that's taking place, active or suspended.  When "field of battle" means the suspended and active battle who is really going to know that?  For simplicity sake, when something is happening in the side battle it should only be in that battle or affect that battle and the suspended battle. 
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Re: Targetting from Side Battle - always possible?
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2018, 12:21:11 PM »
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If a card said "Discard a Hero in the field of battle" but then couldn't target a Hero in the main battle when played in a site battle, then that would also be confusing.

Most newer cards only refer to "battle," it is primarily older cards that use the term "field of battle," so it is necessary to have those two terms defined separately, which they are in the REG.
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Re: Targetting from Side Battle - always possible?
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2018, 12:27:09 PM »
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A new card which says field of battle is The Flood

Super fun to play in a side battle for a block and rescue next turn! ;)
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Re: Targetting from Side Battle - always possible?
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2018, 12:31:24 PM »
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That's why I said "most" and yes, that was intentional with The Flood  ;)
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Re: Targetting from Side Battle - always possible?
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2018, 01:11:35 PM »
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Quote from: Watchman492 on March 26, 2018, 12:09:33 PM
That's fine but this should be the rule for any battle that's taking place, active or suspended.  When "field of battle" means the suspended and active battle who is really going to know that?  For simplicity sake, when something is happening in the side battle it should only be in that battle or affect that battle and the suspended battle.

Saying "Field of Battle" instead of "Battle" is comparable to saying "Territories" instead of "Territory".  The Field of Battle contains all battles that are active.
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Re: Targetting from Side Battle - always possible?
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2018, 01:35:24 PM »
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I think it's confusing regardless of the terminology.  Maybe sticking with wording like "this battle" will make it clearer which battle it's specifically referring to instead of just "battle." 
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