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Some questions
« on: March 15, 2018, 10:42:55 PM »
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Some of these scenarios came up in play recently so I want to make sure we have some clarification to ensure we played them correctly.

1. If I have CoW Moses out, then activate Covenant with Death, would the lost souls and/or TC characters with ongoing abilities reactivate in the next phase? What if in the next prep phase I deactivate CwD, would those lost souls and characters be affected, or does something have to happen to Moses, such as he enters battle or sent to hand or deck then put back into play?

2. If I use The Deceiver to block Two Witnesses, and Deceiver exchanges with an human EC in my deck, when the battle ends does the Deceiver get discarded along with the human EC, or no since the Deceiver is out of play? What if the human EC was underdecked during battle too? Would he stay underdecked or get removed from the deck and discarded?

3. If my CoW Moses is captured with Seize Him, then I use You Will Remain and bring in another hero, I have initiative by the numbers, so I play Faith of Moses and negate Seize Him, what happens? Will this cascade negate YWR, kicking my other hero out of battle and thus negating Faith of Moses, or is there no effect since YWR wasn’t played in battle but territory?

4. Can I use Burial on a captured human? I would assume yes if that captured human can be rescued by SoG.

5. When Habbakuk’s or any other character’s ability that has “After battle...” does that character have to still be in play in order for that ability to trigger, or does it happen regardless if the hero is still in play or not?

6. Famine’s and The Murdering Pharaoh’s decrease abilities: are these permanent decreases or do they last only until end of battle? I would assume permanent, even if Famine and TMP left play.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2018, 10:47:03 PM by Watchman492 »
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Re: Some questions
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2018, 11:19:32 PM »
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1. The Souls and TC Characters should reactivate. When CwD is deactivated, Moses reactivates as a prevent, so he doesn't do anything to the Souls and characters already on the table.

2. The targets of the after battle ability have to be in play, so The Deceiver isn't discarded. Same if the human was underdecked.

3. You play Faith of Moses on Moses during SI and don't use YWR in the first place. I think it cascades and you wind up in that situation anyway.

4. Yes.

5. The card with the after battle ability does not have to be in play, but the target of the after battle ability has to be in play. So if your Overcome gets discarded during battle you can't return it to hand after battle.

6. The Murdering Pharaoh says "this turn" so it's a temporary decrease. Famine is permanent.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2018, 11:23:12 PM by RedemptionAggie »

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Re: Some questions
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2018, 12:49:09 AM »
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3. You play Faith of Moses on Moses during SI and don't use YWR in the first place. I think it cascades and you wind up in that situation anyway.
I'm pretty sure you actually would end up with Moses and the other Hero in battle because You Will Remain is a triggered ability that wouldn't be affected by the cascade. I could be wrong but I think that's the way I've seen it played.

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Re: Some questions
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2018, 08:11:44 AM »
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3. You play Faith of Moses on Moses during SI and don't use YWR in the first place. I think it cascades and you wind up in that situation anyway.
I'm pretty sure you actually would end up with Moses and the other Hero in battle because You Will Remain is a triggered ability that wouldn't be affected by the cascade. I could be wrong but I think that's the way I've seen it played.

I agree with this.  A similar situation is my opponent uses an ability to search deck for a hero and play it.  I use Magic Charms to capture that hero and another in play.  Then I play a negate that negates the search ability.  The captured hero will return to my opponent's deck, but the other hero I captured won't, because Magic Charms ultimately didn't get negated.

Same situation here.  Nothing is negating YWR, so negating Seize Him! just brings Moses back into battle.
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Re: Some questions
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2018, 08:39:40 AM »
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1. The Souls and TC Characters should reactivate. When CwD is deactivated, Moses reactivates as a prevent, so he doesn't do anything to the Souls and characters already on the table.

That’s what I thought but wouldn’t his negate of the souls and enhancements in territory occur once he enters battle again?

3. You play Faith of Moses on Moses during SI and don't use YWR in the first place. I think it cascades and you wind up in that situation anyway.

I would have played FoM if I had SI but that wasn’t the scenario. The scenario was I had Moses in battle, played of faith of Samuel and banded in David the psalmist and either underdecked the three or kept them from the draw 3, which is what gave me Faith of Moses. My opponent captured my Moses. He still had initiative and did something via special ability to David (something I couldn’t use FoM on), which triggered YWR. I then added Two Witnesses to battle and had initiative. I played FoM and targeted Seize Him, which would bring back Moses.
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Re: Some questions
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2018, 09:20:50 AM »
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Re: Some questions
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2018, 11:22:25 AM »
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How would Faith of Moses be negated? It's a cloud card... :scratch:

However, in the general case, let's say this happens.

I attack with Hero A (no special ability).

You block and play an EE to discard Hero A.

I use YWR to add The Strong Angel (WA) who then negates the EE.

Hero A comes back and The Strong Angel also remains in battle, which remains FBTN.
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Re: Some questions
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2018, 04:08:26 PM »
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How would Faith of Moses be negated? It's a cloud card... :scratch:

However, in the general case, let's say this happens.

I attack with Hero A (no special ability).

You block and play an EE to discard Hero A.

I use YWR to add The Strong Angel (WA) who then negates the EE.

Hero A comes back and The Strong Angel also remains in battle, which remains FBTN.

From what I’m seeing no one mentioned that FoM would be negated...? What are you referring to? At any rate, thanks for the answer to that scenario. Could you advise also about my other question regarding Moses negating stuff in territory once he enters battle again after returning from being captured?
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Re: Some questions
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2018, 04:12:25 PM »
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Will this cascade negate YWR, kicking my other hero out of battle and thus negating Faith of Moses, or is there no effect since YWR wasn’t played in battle but territory?

The above was what I was referring to.

If Moses is captured (thus turning off his negate ability) and the capture is later negated, Moses is back in battle and once again negating things.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2018, 04:15:03 PM by The Guardian »
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Re: Some questions
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2018, 04:22:33 PM »
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Will this cascade negate YWR, kicking my other hero out of battle and thus negating Faith of Moses, or is there no effect since YWR wasn’t played in battle but territory?

The above was what I was referring to.

If Moses is captured (thus turning off his negate ability) and the capture is later negated, Moses is back in battle and once again negating things.

I gotcha. I wasn’t saying Moses would be negating FoM. My thinking was that FoM would be cascade negated if YWR was undone due to YWR’s trigger being undone by FoM’s negate. Not sure if that makes sense but think you get what I’m saying.
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Re: Some questions
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2018, 10:42:02 AM »
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YWR is no longer in play to be negated. It's in discard because it was triggered.

 


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