Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: Asahel24601 on August 23, 2018, 06:23:07 PM
Title: Is Caleb a Canaanite?
Post by: Asahel24601 on August 23, 2018, 06:23:07 PM
In Genesis 15:18-21, God makes a covenant with Abram promising his descendants Canaan and lists the groups who lived there at the time. I would guess that anyone belonging to these groups would probably be considered a Canaanite, as the kings from the previous chapter are often considered (and the one (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/redemption/images/c/c7/Bera%2C_King_of_Sodom_-_Patriarchs.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100522173910) that was made into a card is) Canaanite. So what bearing does this have on the title?
If we count the list in Genesis 15 as Canaanites, then Caleb (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Caleb-R-FoM.png), the son of Jephunneh the Kenizzite, should be considered a Canaanite, as his father hails from the Kenizzites, who are found in Genesis 15:19.
Title: Re: Is Caleb a Canaanite?
Post by: Watchman on August 23, 2018, 06:37:39 PM
Yes, he was. He was not a native Israelite. There’re biblical studies on this that Joshua and Caleb are the prophetic foreshadowing of Jew and Gentile living by faith in the same God, and that they are the ones who will enter the Promised Land (eternal life) together because of their faith.
That’s a great catch. I forgot about this until you made this post. Yet another great person to use Foreign Sword on! :thumbup:
Title: Re: Is Caleb a Canaanite?
Post by: RedemptionAggie on August 23, 2018, 06:43:44 PM
Based on the entry in ORDIR, Canaanites are from the tribes/clans descended from Canaan, not necessarily tribes/clans that lived in Canaan. ORDIR uses Genesis 10:15-19 to as a basis for those clans.
Title: Re: Is Caleb a Canaanite?
Post by: Watchman on August 23, 2018, 06:47:12 PM
Based on the entry in ORDIR, Canaanites are from the tribes/clans descended from Canaan, not necessarily tribes/clans that lived in Canaan. ORDIR uses Genesis 10:15-19 to as a basis for those clans.
But Caleb would be a Canaanite descendant if his father was a Kenizzite.
Title: Re: Is Caleb a Canaanite?
Post by: Bobbert on August 23, 2018, 09:33:36 PM
Based on the entry in ORDIR, Canaanites are from the tribes/clans descended from Canaan, not necessarily tribes/clans that lived in Canaan. ORDIR uses Genesis 10:15-19 to as a basis for those clans.
But Caleb would be a Canaanite descendant if his father was a Kenizzite.
Apparently...
Quote from: Genesis 36:40-43
These were the chiefs descended from Esau, by name, according to their clans and regions:
Timna, Alvah, Jetheth, Oholibamah, Elah, Pinon, Kenaz, Teman, Mibzar, Magdiel and Iram. These were the chiefs of Edom, according to their settlements in the land they occupied.
This is the family line of Esau, the father of the Edomites.
Poole and Eerdman seem to think that's the same Kenaz, which would make Caleb an Edomite (giving Esau a fifth target)!