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Re: Artifacts in and out of Play
« Reply #50 on: August 22, 2008, 07:41:39 PM »
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I support (an errata)

I highly doubt you will get one.  I don't know that we have ever given a card errata for the sake of making it more playable.

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Re: Artifacts in and out of Play
« Reply #51 on: August 22, 2008, 07:48:04 PM »
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Yeah, I know.

There goes another worthless promo.

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Re: Artifacts in and out of Play
« Reply #52 on: August 22, 2008, 07:56:43 PM »
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There goes another worthless promo.

Please send all those worthless promos to me. PM me for my address or check my trade thread to get what you really wanted.
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Re: Artifacts in and out of Play
« Reply #53 on: August 22, 2008, 09:33:36 PM »
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Sorry, I'm a collector, but I was just commenting that the promo was fairly worthless game-wise currently IMO.

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Re: Artifacts in and out of Play
« Reply #54 on: October 09, 2008, 08:56:23 AM »
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Yes, I spoke with Kevin Shride, who spoke with Bryon, and Split Altar will be getting errata. I have no idea why none of the official rulings guys haven't posted this news yet, but there seems to be a consistent dearth of official rulings lately.

 At any rate, this card will end up being played as intended, not as written. Let the masses rejoice!  :D
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Re: Artifacts in and out of Play
« Reply #55 on: October 09, 2008, 09:47:55 AM »
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and there was much rejoicing...

yay...

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Re: Artifacts in and out of Play
« Reply #56 on: October 09, 2008, 09:49:36 AM »
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The first piece of errata to make a card stronger, rather than weaker. I hope the trend doesn't continue...[/spoilsport]
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Re: Artifacts in and out of Play
« Reply #57 on: October 09, 2008, 10:37:30 AM »
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Not so much of "more powerful" and more of "As the card was SUPPOSED to be written"

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Re: Artifacts in and out of Play
« Reply #58 on: October 09, 2008, 10:45:07 AM »
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Not so much of "more powerful" and more of "As the card was SUPPOSED to be written"

Off the top of my head, Love, Household Idols, the NT and */4 Lost Souls, and possibly Tartaros probably do not work as initially intended. They didn't receive errata.
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Re: Artifacts in and out of Play
« Reply #59 on: October 09, 2008, 11:07:51 AM »
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how so in each case?

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Re: Artifacts in and out of Play
« Reply #60 on: October 09, 2008, 11:20:31 AM »
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Love: "If played on a Hero of */5 or less, Hero gains */10 for remainder of the battle."
It's very unlikely that the card meant to re-add the Hero's strength. It likely meant 0/10. It wasn't given errata to make it as intended.

Household Idols: Original SA: "Heroes may not band. Good banding cards have no effect."
It's very unlikely that the card meant to prohibit Heroes with banding abilities from entering battle, while allowing Transfiguration to work. It wasn't given errata to make it as intended ("Negate banding of Heroes. Protect Heroes from good banding abilities.").

The NT and */4 Souls were not intended to prohibit dominant rescue. They weren't given errata to make them as intended ("This soul is protected from rescue except by a dominant or an NT Hero/Hero of */4 or higher.")

Tartaros is less clear to me, but I still believe that it was intended to allow you to put your own demons in Tartaros when they were discarded by anyone.

Gifts of the Magi, as well, was probably not intended to let you draw when you force him to draw, like with Hur. It wasn't given errata to work similarly to Rain Becomes Dust.
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Re: Artifacts in and out of Play
« Reply #61 on: October 09, 2008, 06:43:44 PM »
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Cards have been errataed in the past to make them stronger.  The Rabshakeh Atacks and Joab promo come to mind.  But the reason they received errata is because as written they were borderline absurd.

No card so far in the game has been errataed for the purpose of playing it as intended.  It has been suggested multiple times but has never happened.  I'm with Tim here (I think) in seriously hoping this doesn't happen.

In addition to the cards Tim has listed a couple other notable cards that are not played as intended are A New Beginning and Ethiopian Treasurer.  Playing cards as intended would make Split Altar more useful but would not be good for the game as a whole.

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Re: Artifacts in and out of Play
« Reply #62 on: October 09, 2008, 06:51:51 PM »
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No card so far in the game has been errataed for the purpose of playing it as intended.

 Holy Grail immediately comes to mind. It was never intended to let you convert an EC in battle, but as written, that's what it does. Therefore, it was eratta'd to make it play as intended.
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Re: Artifacts in and out of Play
« Reply #63 on: October 09, 2008, 06:56:29 PM »
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Hey,

Holy Grail was errataed because it would be _way_ too powerful if you could use it in battle.  Not because it was being played differently than was intended.

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Re: Artifacts in and out of Play
« Reply #64 on: October 09, 2008, 07:10:59 PM »
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I didn't group cards like A Child Is Born and The Rabshakeh Attacks into that, because they were clearly misprints, not wording changes. Joab, as far as every list that I've seen says, Joab does not have errata (the definition for "Mentioned in I and II Samuel" just happens to allow either instead of requiring both). I'm not sure what the original intent of Holy Grail is, but it was changed for its power, not for intent.

Good call also on ET, also.

So in short, yes, I agree with Tim that changing the way cards are played to make them "more usable" would be a shift that is not good for the game.
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Re: Artifacts in and out of Play
« Reply #65 on: October 10, 2008, 07:41:05 AM »
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Holy Grail was errataed because it would be _way_ too powerful if you could use it in battle.  Not because it was being played differently than was intended.

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 It was both. People were using it in battle, which was not intended and too powerful. Therefore, Holy Grail was being used differently than intended.

 And at any rate, Kevin told me that there was no way they were going to allow a National Promo to become as useless as Angelic Advice simply because it wasn't proofread properly. They goofed, so they're correcting that mistake. There's nothing crazy or "bad for the game" about that.
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Re: Artifacts in and out of Play
« Reply #66 on: October 10, 2008, 08:40:00 AM »
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Angelic Advice shuffles your own artifact pile too, making it much, much worse than Split Altar, even excepting the CBN and the ability to play another card.
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Re: Artifacts in and out of Play
« Reply #67 on: October 10, 2008, 03:30:36 PM »
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Hey,

And at any rate, Kevin told me that there was no way they were going to allow a National Promo to become as useless as Angelic Advice simply because it wasn't proofread properly. They goofed, so they're correcting that mistake. There's nothing crazy or "bad for the game" about that.

Does that mean Mary's Prophetic Act will be getting errata too?

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Re: Artifacts in and out of Play
« Reply #68 on: October 10, 2008, 03:56:16 PM »
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And at any rate, Kevin told me that there was no way they were going to allow a National Promo to become as useless as Angelic Advice simply because it wasn't proofread properly. They goofed, so they're correcting that mistake. There's nothing crazy or "bad for the game" about that.

Does that mean Mary's Prophetic Act will be getting errata too?

Elijah could use a skosh of a bump also. Just errata his SA to be non-interruptible or something.

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Re: Artifacts in and out of Play
« Reply #69 on: October 10, 2008, 03:57:18 PM »
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Does that mean Mary's Prophetic Act will be getting errata too?

No, because there are no proofreading errors on the card. It works exactly as intended.
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