Author Topic: undereused themes tourny. (Read 10329 times)

Red · « **on:** February 15, 2010, 09:22:58 AM »

basicly you have to take one of these underused themes and build a deck around it.

theme1:deacons
theme2:daniel
theme3:musicans
theme4:jude
theme5:no SA characters
theme6:red warriors
theme7:apostles
theme8:acts

NOTE:this is rts only so I can't play.
send me a decklist and we'll go on from there.

depending on the number of entrats it'll be ether round robin or single emantion.

3-Liner And Bags Of Chips · « **Reply #1 on:** February 15, 2010, 11:09:35 AM »

I will build one for ya, but I won't be able to play with it...if that is fine...I love building decks on rts. Somebody else can use it if they want...

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #2 on:** February 15, 2010, 11:11:41 AM »

jude? I didn't even know that jude could have a theme!

ACe · « **Reply #3 on:** February 15, 2010, 11:17:21 AM »

Quote from: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on February 15, 2010, 11:09:35 AM

I will build one for ya, but I won't be able to play with it...if that is fine...I love building decks on rts. Somebody else can use it if they want...

3-Liner And Bags Of Chips · « **Reply #4 on:** February 15, 2010, 11:31:00 AM »

i just got done one. Did you wanted posted here, or sent in a pm? I just kinda threw it together. It can be moded to fit the person playing...

Red · « **Reply #5 on:** February 15, 2010, 12:03:04 PM »

post it here.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #6 on:** February 15, 2010, 04:27:09 PM »

I don't want to be

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an isotope of radon produced by radioactive disintegration

Question, since this is a contest are there any prizes?

Red · « **Reply #7 on:** February 15, 2010, 05:48:35 PM »

no sorry need to change the title.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #8 on:** February 15, 2010, 10:27:47 PM »

Jude and Acts aren't really themes, especially since there are no cards that specify those kinds of characters in their abilities. Other than that, I think this is a fantastic idea. For defense, I think Syrians, Persians, Sadducees, Assyrians, and Greeks should be on the list. (This list is more difficult to make, as defense is a bit more balanced between themes than offense.)

Ironica · « **Reply #9 on:** February 15, 2010, 11:24:15 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 15, 2010, 10:27:47 PM

Jude and Acts aren't really themes, especially since there are no cards that specify those kinds of characters in their abilities. Other than that, I think this is a fantastic idea. For defense, I think Syrians, Persians, Sadducees, Assyrians, and Greeks should be on the list. (This list is more difficult to make, as defense is a bit more balanced between themes than offense.)

For the defense, I would suggest stating that you would have to make a pure defense with those themes (since I do use Greeks in one of my decks but I also have some Pharisees and Nero in it as well).

Also, why Sadducees? They have plenty to make a good defense.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #10 on:** February 16, 2010, 12:27:59 AM »

I think he meant pharisees.
Btw: For giggles, can I mix themes?

Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 15, 2010, 10:27:47 PM

Jude and Acts aren't really themes, especially since there are no cards that specify those kinds of characters in their abilities. Other than that, I think this is a fantastic idea. For defense, I think Syrians, Persians, Sadducees, Assyrians, and Greeks should be on the list. (This list is more difficult to make, as defense is a bit more balanced between themes than offense.)

If I tell you I force my brother to use a Red Warrior/Grey Syrian (with a nero splash) deck, does I get a cookie? (It actually is pretty good)

Crashfach2002 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 16, 2010, 12:29:25 AM »

He could have easily meant Sadducees, this thread is about underused, not bad. Compared to Greeks, using A-Bom, or the greatness of Philitines, Sadducees kind of get left behind.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #12 on:** February 16, 2010, 12:30:30 AM »

They are underused, but they used to be top meta.

lightningninja · « **Reply #13 on:** February 16, 2010, 12:31:54 AM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 15, 2010, 04:27:09 PM

I don't want to be
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an isotope of radon produced by radioactive disintegration
Question, since this is a contest are there any prizes?

Yeah if we get ten people and at least three games (preliminary and championsihp), I'll send a pack to the winner.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #14 on:** February 16, 2010, 12:32:53 AM »

Woot Buckler here I come!

Professoralstad · « **Reply #15 on:** February 16, 2010, 12:33:31 AM »

Quote from: Ironica on February 15, 2010, 11:24:15 PM

Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 15, 2010, 10:27:47 PM
Jude and Acts aren't really themes, especially since there are no cards that specify those kinds of characters in their abilities. Other than that, I think this is a fantastic idea. For defense, I think Syrians, Persians, Sadducees, Assyrians, and Greeks should be on the list. (This list is more difficult to make, as defense is a bit more balanced between themes than offense.)

For the defense, I would suggest stating that you would have to make a pure defense with those themes (since I do use Greeks in one of my decks but I also have some Pharisees and Nero in it as well).

Also, why Sadducees? They have plenty to make a good defense.

I disagree with Sadducees as well. Also, Syrians and Assyrians are iffy, they are underused only because of the general preference for small defenses in Redemption, but in a format like this, where there are no Z's Temple Priests or Prophet offenses, they would dominate.

On the other hand, I don't think that making a pure Persian or Greek defense would be possible. But I do think there should be a clear cut definition of what a "theme" is. That is, what percentage of characters in the deck need to be from the theme to make it a themed deck? Note that there are currently only 5 Greeks and 5 Persians in the game. I could make a deacon deck, sure, but I could make it 100x better by adding in Claudia. Just some things to think about.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #16 on:** February 16, 2010, 12:43:00 AM »

I agree very much so. Though pure Syrian's would be interesting. No nero, No shadow, etc.

Cards in deck: 63
Lost Souls: 8
   Lost Soul (anti-ignore)
   Lost Soul (female only)
   Lost Soul (N.T. only)
   Lost Soul (revealer)
   Lost Soul (shuffler)
   Lost Soul (site guard)
   Lost Soul (Speed Bump)
   Lost Soul (Wanderer)

Lamb Dominants: 4
   Angel of the Lord
   Grapes of Wrath
   New Jerusalem
   Son of God

Grim Reaper Dominants: 3
   Christian Martyr
   Destruction of Nehushtan
   Falling Away

Fortresses: 2
   House of Rimmon
   Wall of Protection

Multi-Color Sites: 2
   Dragon Raid
   New Jerusalem (site)

Artifacts: 4
   Chariot of Fire
   Priestly Crown
   Ram's Horn
   Unholy Writ

White Covenant Cards: 3
   Go Into Captivity (Crimson)
   Unknown Nation (Yellow)
   Unsuccessful (Gray)

Red Heroes: 8
   Abishai
   Army of Simeonites
   Caleb
   Jael
   Jephthah
   Men of Judah
   Spy
   The Centurion at Capernaum

Red Hero Enhancements: 13
   A Soldier's Prayer
   Baggage
   Battle Cry
   Caleb's Sword
   Counsel of Abigail
   David's Mighty Men
   Freedom!
   Holy Ground
   Jael's Nail
   Power of the Cross
   The Battle is the Lord's
   The Might of Faith
   Warrior's Spear

Multi ecs: 2
Antiochius (It says he is syrian

)
Winged leopard (Not a sryian but 1 outa 7 ain't too bad)

Gray Evil Characters: 5
   King Cushan-Rishathaim
   King Hazael
   Naaman
   Syrian Archer
   The Strong Force

Gray Evil Enhancements: 9
   Balaam's Disobedience
   Deluge of Rain
   Demonic Snare
   False Peace
   Gold Shield
   Israel Pays Tribute
   Namaan's Chariot and Horses
   Night Raid
   Syrian Victory

And there you have it. I can switch to Pharisees if people feel Syrian's are too wyn.

Pharisee defense.

   High Priest's Palace
UN
Unsuccessful
Gray Evil Characters: 7
   Entrapping Pharisees
   Hard-Hearted Religious Leaders
   Hard-Hearted Religious Leaders
   Pharisees
   Pharisees
   Pharisees
   Proud Pharisee

Gray Evil Enhancements: 10
   Balaam's Disobedience
   Deluge of Rain
   Demonic Snare
   False Peace
   Gold Shield
   Israel Pays Tribute
   Namaan's Chariot and Horses
   Night Raid
   Pretension
   Begging for grain

lightningninja · « **Reply #17 on:** February 16, 2010, 12:45:10 AM »

No underused is like first-strike. That's an underused theme. If you are using Syrians or Assyrians, no packs for you.

I think sads is underused enough. Hm... greeks are under-used I think (let me explain.) If you are forced to use one of those offenses, you can't possibly pull of a-bom, which means you're forced to use just greeks... which, let's face it, aren't that great.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #18 on:** February 16, 2010, 12:51:04 AM »

Luke heroes should be up there. I've never seen an offense with those. Also Yes first strike is, but if used right (on evil) its nasty.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #19 on:** February 16, 2010, 12:51:59 AM »

IMO, you shouldn't be able to use tin themes

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #20 on:** February 16, 2010, 12:57:10 AM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on February 16, 2010, 12:51:59 AM

IMO, you shouldn't be able to use tin themes

*blink* O_o; Then all themes are done. Well cept Deacons. Just cuz a theme got a tin or two (Musicians, Luke heroes) Doesn't make them used.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #21 on:** February 16, 2010, 01:14:39 AM »

FWIW, my Luke/John deck has done pretty well. Though that's mostly due to the Philistine defense, but it can be a great offense if you play it right.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #22 on:** February 16, 2010, 08:13:39 AM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on February 16, 2010, 12:33:31 AM

Quote from: Ironica on February 15, 2010, 11:24:15 PM
Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 15, 2010, 10:27:47 PM
Jude and Acts aren't really themes, especially since there are no cards that specify those kinds of characters in their abilities. Other than that, I think this is a fantastic idea. For defense, I think Syrians, Persians, Sadducees, Assyrians, and Greeks should be on the list. (This list is more difficult to make, as defense is a bit more balanced between themes than offense.)

For the defense, I would suggest stating that you would have to make a pure defense with those themes (since I do use Greeks in one of my decks but I also have some Pharisees and Nero in it as well).

Also, why Sadducees? They have plenty to make a good defense.

I disagree with Sadducees as well. Also, Syrians and Assyrians are iffy, they are underused only because of the general preference for small defenses in Redemption, but in a format like this, where there are no Z's Temple Priests or Prophet offenses, they would dominate.

On the other hand, I don't think that making a pure Persian or Greek defense would be possible. But I do think there should be a clear cut definition of what a "theme" is. That is, what percentage of characters in the deck need to be from the theme to make it a themed deck? Note that there are currently only 5 Greeks and 5 Persians in the game. I could make a deacon deck, sure, but I could make it 100x better by adding in Claudia. Just some things to think about.

When I said Sadds, I actually meant Sadds. I see Pharisees used all the time, but I don't think I've seen a single Sadducee in a deck (besides one of mine that I never played with) since TxP came out. Whether or not it's powerful, I believe it is one of the most underused.

As for the character concentration, I say the minimum percentage of characters from that theme should be 50%. This would allow for 8-10 character defenses (or offenses) for the themes that only have a few cards so far.

Red · « **Reply #23 on:** February 16, 2010, 08:17:56 AM »

defnce themes are

theme1:sadds
theme2:persans.or emps your choice.
theme3:evil isearlites
theme4:judean kings(or whatever works with gates)
theme5:syirans
theme6:ayissans
theme7:herods
theme8:magicans

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #24 on:** February 16, 2010, 10:06:24 AM »

Quote from: RED on February 16, 2010, 08:17:56 AM

defnce themes are

theme1:sadds
theme2:persans.or emps your choice.
theme3:evil isearlites
theme4:judean kings(or whatever works with gates)
theme5:syirans
theme6:ayissans
theme7:herods
theme8:magicans

3 is OP'd in this. and you listed 3 brown colors... ... Emps are one of the most common defenses. as are Assyrians...

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #25 on:** February 16, 2010, 10:11:32 AM »

Quote from: RED on February 16, 2010, 08:17:56 AM

theme1:sadds
theme2:persans.or emps your choice.
theme3:evil isearlites
theme4:judean kings(or whatever works with gates)
theme5:syirans
theme6:ayissans
theme7:herods
theme8:magicans

Magicians are definitely not underused, at least as far as I've seen. Same with Emperors. Evil Israelites really isn't a theme at all right now. Other than that, I agree with this list (except for the fact that the word Assyrians has been tortured and mutilated beyond recognition outside of context).

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #26 on:** February 16, 2010, 10:23:55 AM »

O_o;
Where do you live dude? I like your meta. Pharisees for a norm. Emps not spammed to death. Sounds good.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #27 on:** February 16, 2010, 10:41:56 AM »

Was that directed at me?

Anyway, here's a final list of the themes I think should be used:

Deacons
Daniel Heroes
Musicans
Non-SA Heroes
Warriors
Apostles
Non-ZT Priests

Sadducees
Persians
Judean Kings
Syrians
Assyrians
Herods
Greeks

And I think the matchups between brigades should be determined before the games are played, and one set of themes should be assigned to each player. For example, Warriors and Syrians should probably go with each other, etc. No more characters that are not from the specific theme can be in the deck than there are theme-specific characters in that brigade (meaning that if I have three blue and one purple deacon in my deacon deck, I can only put one more purple hero in the deck, but I can put up to three non-deacon blue characters in).

This is how I would do it anyway.

Red · « **Reply #28 on:** February 16, 2010, 10:47:58 AM »

i like BBs list.

lightningninja · « **Reply #29 on:** February 16, 2010, 11:18:06 AM »

Take out Assyrians and Syrians and you're good. Also, just as clarification you can use judean queens as well.

Seriously, Assyrians are good. And used a LOT, especially here in So Cal. I will not give a pack to someone using Assyrians.

Red · « **Reply #30 on:** February 16, 2010, 11:23:37 AM »

ok replace assyians with jehu's dynasty kings.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #31 on:** February 16, 2010, 11:24:11 AM »

Yes BB that was at you. I haven't seen a pharisee defense outside of my own around here, or online even.

I'm with LN. Remove assyrians/syrians. CBN p next? vs those other themes? GG.

I myself would add Pharisees and Demons (orange)

Red · « **Reply #32 on:** February 16, 2010, 11:26:24 AM »

what wrong with jehu's dynasty?

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #33 on:** February 16, 2010, 11:28:42 AM »

Well A Jehu's dynasty is limited, and B is encompassed in Israelite kings.

Red · « **Reply #34 on:** February 16, 2010, 11:37:58 AM »

but the theme is judean kings.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #35 on:** February 16, 2010, 12:05:40 PM »

Ya know, maybe you should make a poll somewhere that asks what the most underused themes are. Then grab the top 7 of each and use it for the contest.

Red · « **Reply #36 on:** February 16, 2010, 12:07:24 PM »

idk these are pretty underused.also what about allowing AIM/chesschat?

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #37 on:** February 16, 2010, 12:24:03 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 16, 2010, 12:05:40 PM

Ya know, maybe you should make a poll somewhere that asks what the most underused themes are. Then grab the top 7 of each and use it for the contest.

Ideally, this is the best. But by now we can pretty much get the same result with what we have from you guys anyway.

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 16, 2010, 10:23:55 AM

O_o;
Where do you live dude? I like your meta. Pharisees for a norm. Emps not spammed to death. Sounds good.

I never said Pharisees were a norm, just that they weren't underused as far as I have seen (which I forgot to mention is a quite limited viewpoint). I also never said that Emperors were underused. In fact, I said the opposite here.

As for taking out Syrians, I do not see why. I have never, ever, seen a Syrian defense used in a tournament by someone with two digits in their age (besides myself once). I hardly ever see Assyrians either, but them more often for sure. Maybe Pharisees would be a better choice, and Demons as well.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #38 on:** February 16, 2010, 01:13:24 PM »

Quote

I see Pharisees used all the time,

All the time = Norm

I did goof on who the emps were at though. Red said that and I garbled it together.

3-Liner And Bags Of Chips · « **Reply #39 on:** February 16, 2010, 01:27:25 PM »

I just have to say this now BB...your pic scares the holy begeebus outta me...seriously...

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #40 on:** February 16, 2010, 01:49:03 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 16, 2010, 01:13:24 PM

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I see Pharisees used all the time,
All the time = Norm

Well, your definition for the phrase "all the time" is more strict than mine. "All the time" for me just means "a lot." And BTW, I never see Pharisees by themselves; they always have Emperors or Sadducees or Demons with them.

Quote from: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on February 16, 2010, 01:27:25 PM

I just have to say this now BB...your pic scares the holy begeebus outta me...seriously...

Thank you.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #41 on:** February 16, 2010, 04:13:15 PM »

I guess it is. Sorry for assuming ours were the same, when I say all the time I mean 1/4th of the people I play use it.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #42 on:** February 16, 2010, 04:18:49 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 16, 2010, 04:13:15 PM

I guess it is. Sorry for assuming ours were the same, when I say all the time I mean 1/4th of the people I play use it.

Well, that is sort of what I mean (maybe a little less).

Perhaps "norm" then is the arbitrarily defined word. I define norm (at least in this case specifically) as being used more than any other theme, which Pharisees certainly is not.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #43 on:** February 16, 2010, 05:21:58 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 16, 2010, 04:18:49 PM

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 16, 2010, 04:13:15 PM
I guess it is. Sorry for assuming ours were the same, when I say all the time I mean 1/4th of the people I play use it.
Well, that is sort of what I mean (maybe a little less).

Perhaps "norm" then is the arbitrarily defined word. I define norm (at least in this case specifically) as being used more than any other theme, which Pharisees certainly is not.

Ah, Naw. I define Norm by something I can count on seeing within a tournament. If 1/4th of the players use pharisees, I have a high chance of hitting a pharisee deck then.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #44 on:** February 16, 2010, 11:47:28 PM »

Cards in deck: 70
Lost Souls: 9
   Lost Soul (deck discard)
   Lost Soul (female only)
   Lost Soul (N.T. only)
   Lost Soul (revealer)
   Lost Soul (Site Discard)
   Lost Soul (site doubler)
   Lost Soul (site guard)
   Lost Soul (site remove)
   Lost Soul (Wanderer)

Lamb Dominants: 4
   Angel of the Lord
   Glory of the Lord
   New Jerusalem
   Son of God

Grim Reaper Dominants: 4
   Burial
   Christian Martyr
   Destruction of Nehushtan
   Falling Away

Fortresses: 2
   Chamber of Angels
   Solomon's Temple

Multi-Color Sites: 1
   The Ends of the Earth

Red Sites: 3
   Babylon
   Babylon
   Babylon

Gold Sites: 1
   Kir

Green Sites: 1
   Babylonian Banquet Hall

Blue Sites: 1
   Hormah

Purple Sites: 1
   Pergamum

Artifacts: 5
   Chariot of Fire
   Darius' Decree
   Golden Calf
   Windows of Narrow Light
   Wool Fleece

Blue Covenant Cards: 1
   I am Holy

Silver Heroes: 8
   Angel of Revelation
   Angel of Warning
   Gabriel
   Michael
   Reassuring Angel
   Reassuring Angel
   Reassuring Angel
   The Strong Angel

Blue Heroes: 1
   Eli the Priest

Silver Hero Enhancements: 9
   Angel's Sword
   Consuming Fire
   Flaming Sword
   Protection of Angels
   Seventh Trumpet, The
   Striking Herod
   Swift Beings
   Three Angels
   Victory

Brown Evil Characters: 8
   Complainers
   King Ahaziah
   King Jeroboam I
   King Joram
   King Nadab
   King Omri
   King Zedekiah
   The Jeering Youths

Multi-Color Evil Enhancements: 2
   Demonic Blockade (orange/brown)
   Lying Unto God

Brown Evil Enhancements: 8
   Dungeon of Malchiah
   Gibeonite Trickery
   Korah's Rebellion
   Mask of Arrogance
   Shimei's Malicious Curse
   Stiff-Necked
   Taking Naboth's Vineyard
   Threatened Lives

For giggles.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #45 on:** February 17, 2010, 12:00:52 AM »

Jeroboam's Idolatry + a well-timed Watcher would be epicsauce. Especially due to King Jeroboam I's SA.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #46 on:** February 17, 2010, 10:42:11 AM »

That'd be gigglefest.

Red · « **Reply #47 on:** March 28, 2010, 09:57:42 PM »

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Author Topic: undereused themes tourny. (Read 10329 times)

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Ironica

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