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Title: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Professoralstad on May 29, 2013, 12:10:23 PM
Registration is Full! Please PM me if you'd like to be a "backup" for any players that may need to drop out

Ladies and gentlemen, I have been ruminating on an idea for awhile, and now is the time when I'd like to implement it:

T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown.

As each new set comes out, several new cards are added to decks, but not all of the old cards are replaced. Some older cards have stood the test of time, despite reprints, hard counters, and the stigma of being "old". Well, now it's time to find out which set is best. Here's how it will work:

Who: Anyone who signs up on this thread (up to 16 people) before 10:00 PM CST, Sunday June 2nd.
What: A double elimination bracket-style RTS tournament.
When: Starting Monday, June 2nd, through late June to early July (depends on the number of people, 1 round minimum per week)
Where: Online or in person
Why: Because it'll be fun, and there will be prizes.

How:
When you sign up on this thread, you will choose a set from the list below (first-come, first-serve). You will then build as many T1 decks as desired from cards from that set only (adding generic LSs as necessary). There is no need to check in decks, and you can use as many different decks as you want. You can "customize" your deck based on what your opponent is using before your game. Patriarchs players may only rip three Plots (just like in ROOT). All T1 deck-building and play rules apply, with one of the following changes (up to a vote, please vote when you sign up):

a. Sites are limited to 1 per deck.
b. Sites can be decked as you like (up to # of LSs) but single-color sites cannot be occupied.
c. All Heroes have access to all sites.
d. No change.
e. All Heroes with no printed special abilities have access to all sites.


Based on voting, there will be no change to how sites work. I would ask those of you who have sites available to not use sites that your opponent cannot possibly have access to or be able to deal with, in the spirit of good competition. This applies mostly to the Original/Prophets set, and the C/D and I/J starters.

Please choose from the following Sets:

1. Un/Limited/A/B Decks/Prophets
2. Women
3. Warriors
4. C/D Decks (1st and 2nd Edition)
5. Apostles
6. Patriarchs
7. E/F Decks
8. Kings
9. Angel Wars
10. G/H Decks
11. Priests
12. FooF (2007 and 2011)
13. RoA (2008, 2011, and 2013)
14. TexP
15. Disciples
16. I/J Decks

I am hoping to fill out the 16-set bracket entirely, so if there are fewer than 16 people by Sunday, I might open up registration to multiple people with different sets (two different entries).

Requirements: RTS and Hamachi are required, and the newest sets must be loaded (even if you are not playing with or against RoA/I/J).

More details in the next post...
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Professoralstad on May 29, 2013, 12:10:40 PM
Time limits will be 1 hour, but may be waived/modified as agreed by both players.

Timeout wins and losses are equivalent to full wins and losses (since it is a bracket tournament) and LS differential is unnecessary as well (so you don't have to report scores, just results)

Ties will be determined in one of two ways (depending on what you and your opponent decide):

A. A sudden death OT extension of the game (next person to rescue an LS wins)
B. A new game with the same decks, played to 1 point. For this match, Son of God and New Jerusalem have no effect.
C. A full new game with the same decks. This is the default choice if you and your opponent cannot decide on one of the other options.

Disconnects and Ghosts will be decided on a case-by-case basis.

The time limit for Rounds will be 1 week (as in ROOT) but if you can play earlier on, that is great. It doesn't matter the order games are played in, as long as they are all played with the correct opponents.

Prizes:

1st: Your choice of any card from the set you chose, or an I/J starter deck.
2nd: Your choice of any card from the set you chose (under $10 on TLG), or the Tin 26 ten card set.
3rd: Your choice of any card from the set you chose (under $5 on TLG), or any three booster packs in print (no Women or Warriors, you may also choose 1 Disciple or TexP pack) 

Sign-up sheet:

No.Name(Set)Site Choice?
1.Prof Underwood(FooF, 2007 and 2011)C
2.Wyatt Marcum(Priests)D
3.Red (Disciples) D
4._JM_ (RoA, 2008, 2011, 2013) C
5.Drrek (I/J Decks) D
6.browarod (G/H Decks) C
7.Isildur (Original Set and Prophets) D
8.theselfevident (TexP) D
9.Westy (E/F) D
10.Redoubter (Angel Wars) C
11.Gabe (Warriors) D (E)
12.TechnoEthicist (Kings) C
13.KoalaKing (Apostles)D
14.jbeers285 (C/D Decks) D
15.Red Dragon Thorn (Patriarchs) ?
16.RTSManiac (Women) D

Post here or PM me with any questions! Deadline to sign up is Sunday, June 2, 10:00 PM CST. I look forward to a great tournament!
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Prof Underwood on May 29, 2013, 12:16:40 PM
I'll join and reserve FooF.

This is an interesting idea.  My first thought is HOW on earth can this be at all balanced.  But then I Remembered that the old sets/starter decks that I wouldn't think would have a chance actually could.  All starter decks get the advantage of having great dominants (SoG/AotL/CM/Burial), and Women's get Falling Away.

This could be really fun.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Alex_Olijar on May 29, 2013, 12:24:06 PM
I definitely think this format is broken, but it's also meant to be broken probably in some ways. If I had more time, I'd probably join with RoA, but I can't commit to it.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: wyatt_marcum on May 29, 2013, 12:42:08 PM
I'll join with priests. This should be fun.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Professoralstad on May 29, 2013, 12:52:26 PM
I'll join and reserve FooF.

This is an interesting idea.  My first thought is HOW on earth can this be at all balanced.  But then I Remembered that the old sets/starter decks that I wouldn't think would have a chance actually could.  All starter decks get the advantage of having great dominants (SoG/AotL/CM/Burial), and Women's get Falling Away.

This could be really fun.

That's what I was thinking as I was ruminating. There are also several cards from older sets like Prophets that might end up not having good counters in some of the newer sets (Confusion, Hunger, Great Image, etc.).

I definitely think this format is broken, but it's also meant to be broken probably in some ways. If I had more time, I'd probably join with RoA, but I can't commit to it.

Yes and no. I mostly want to see which sets get picked first, and how those compare to how well they do overall. It will also be interesting to see who can come up with ways to counter the dominant strategy of their opposing sets.

Anyway, please make sure to also vote on how to deal with sites. That was the one thing that could be truly broken, especially when facing the pre-Women set.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Alex_Olijar on May 29, 2013, 12:54:38 PM
I actually think that G/H probably has the best chance of winning. As far as sites, I don't know how much of an issue they will be since most decks in this format are going to be many, many colors. I'd say limiting sites might be the way to go though (maybe 2x?)
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Professoralstad on May 29, 2013, 01:03:08 PM
I actually think that G/H probably has the best chance of winning. As far as sites, I don't know how much of an issue they will be since most decks in this format are going to be many, many colors. I'd say limiting sites might be the way to go though (maybe 2x?)

Perhaps, but the sets with Teal and Silver sites are going to be able to dominate all of the older sets for sure, and probably most of the sets in general (as teal and silver will really only be good in a few sets).

G/H would probably get one of the higher sets of odds if we did odds. But I presume that gambling probably wouldn't be acceptable here...
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: soul seeker on May 29, 2013, 01:07:14 PM
I have long since deleted Hamachi off my computer, but this tournament looked fun.

I would have chosen  Warriors first  (maybe Priests...I think both have a good shot).
                                 Priests second.
                      and     Unlimited, etc....  third (mostly for the challenge).

I will be curious to see what comes out on top.

My thought is that Sites should be limited in some way.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Red on May 29, 2013, 01:12:27 PM
I choose Disciples. And no change for sites they wont be broken.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Professoralstad on May 29, 2013, 01:14:55 PM
I choose Disciples.

You got them. What is your vote on the site issue?
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: wyatt_marcum on May 29, 2013, 01:16:25 PM
that would only matter for newer colored sites, like teal. but there are heros with site access everywhere.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Prof Underwood on May 29, 2013, 01:18:07 PM
I would vote for all heroes to have access to all sites.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Professoralstad on May 29, 2013, 01:18:51 PM
that would only matter for newer colored sites, like teal. but there are heros with site access everywhere.

Except in sets before Women.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: _JM_ on May 29, 2013, 01:19:10 PM
This intrigues me.  I'll sign on, and claim RoA.  Regarding the site question, I think C (all heroes have access) is the best option.  Allows for souls like site discard and deck discard to work (unlike B), keeps the full set in play for all sets with sites in them, and doesn't punish the pre-Women's sets.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: wyatt_marcum on May 29, 2013, 01:26:49 PM
but everyone will have rainbow decks. only one or two sets will manage to make a deck that is fairly focused on a single color. and those are priests, and mabey angel wars.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Drrek on May 29, 2013, 01:27:59 PM
Sure, this sounds fun, I'll take I/J
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Red on May 29, 2013, 01:28:13 PM
but everyone will have rainbow decks. only one or two sets will manage to make a deck that is fairly focused on a single color. and those are priests, and mabey angel wars.
You'd be susprised Wyatt. You'd be susprised.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: wyatt_marcum on May 29, 2013, 01:30:11 PM
probabally. I think Kings has a great chance. BBNB offence. LOL
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: browarod on May 29, 2013, 01:31:34 PM
This sounds like it could be a lot of fun, I'd like to apply.


Sure, this sounds fun, I'll take I/J
Dang it you beat me by like 2 minutes. :(


I guess I'll take the G/H decks instead then.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Isildur on May 29, 2013, 01:41:35 PM
I'll take the Blue and the Green.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: browarod on May 29, 2013, 01:43:10 PM
Oh, forgot to put this in my original post: I like option C for sites.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: wyatt_marcum on May 29, 2013, 02:02:32 PM
I like D.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Professoralstad on May 29, 2013, 02:05:30 PM
I'll take the Blue and the Green.

Imagine my surprise... ::)
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: theselfevident on May 29, 2013, 02:18:15 PM
I'm in with texp with a vote for option D

With a question tho, are you not allowed to use doms from other sets like a & b decks?
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: wyatt_marcum on May 29, 2013, 02:20:21 PM
how will you be able to tell which set is better, without using all the cards to their fullest?
that is why i want to be able to use sites correctly.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Bobbert on May 29, 2013, 02:32:35 PM
I need to double check whether or not RTS/hamachi is working for me (I haven't tested it since downloading the new cards), and while I might be able to do it tonight, it probably won't happen until Friday. May I reserve E/F, or should I want until I know for sure?
And D. I'm fine with sites.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Drrek on May 29, 2013, 02:34:14 PM
I'm in with texp with a vote for option D

With a question tho, are you not allowed to use doms from other sets like a & b decks?

I would assume you are not, and that's one of the reasons I chose a starter deck.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Professoralstad on May 29, 2013, 02:41:07 PM
I'm in with texp with a vote for option D

With a question tho, are you not allowed to use doms from other sets like a & b decks?

The only cards you can use outside of the sets are generic LSs, so only the starter sets will have access to SoG.

I need to double check whether or not RTS/hamachi is working for me (I haven't tested it since downloading the new cards), and while I might be able to do it tonight, it probably won't happen until Friday. May I reserve E/F, or should I want until I know for sure?
And D. I'm fine with sites.

You can reserve it for now, but please let me know ASAP if you can't make it.

I added a fifth option for the site issue (for the benefit of Isildur and whoever decides to take on Women). If you would like to change your vote, please let me know. 
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: wyatt_marcum on May 29, 2013, 02:41:58 PM
I say choice D. sorry Prof A
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Redoubter on May 29, 2013, 02:42:27 PM
Alright...normally don't play online anymore, but I'm a sucker for this kind of event.  I'll be in.

And while I was going to ask for E/F, I see that was reserved while I was looking at cards ;)  I would take Angel Wars instead, then.  Just for the fun factor.

I say just give all heroes site access.  Lets all sites and souls be used to effect, but doesn't lock out the sets lacking access.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Bobbert on May 29, 2013, 02:45:12 PM
I need to double check whether or not RTS/hamachi is working for me (I haven't tested it since downloading the new cards), and while I might be able to do it tonight, it probably won't happen until Friday. May I reserve E/F, or should I want until I know for sure?
And D. I'm fine with sites.

You can reserve it for now, but please let me know ASAP if you can't make it.
Will do. Though E is tempting, I'll stick with D.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: theselfevident on May 29, 2013, 02:47:29 PM


The only cards you can use outside of the sets are generic LSs, so only the starter sets will have access to SoG.



In this case, may I change to Un/Limited/A/B Decks/Prophets with choice C
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Professoralstad on May 29, 2013, 02:51:43 PM
In this case, may I change to Un/Limited/A/B Decks/Prophets with choice C

No, that has been taken. C/D is still available though, if you are interested.

Apostles, Warriors, Women, Patriarchs and Kings are also available.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Professoralstad on May 29, 2013, 02:55:38 PM
One thing to note (especially for people using sets from before Kings): characters with no special abilities are three per deck per the deck building rules.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Gabe on May 29, 2013, 03:01:25 PM
I'll take Warriors. If it's ok that I don't use hamachi that is. I host RTS the old fashioned way and let people connect to me directly.

For Sites my first choice is D, my second is E.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Drrek on May 29, 2013, 03:04:14 PM
By the way, I would find it hilarious if I won first, since my prize would either be 1 card from the I/J starters, or an I/J starter deck.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: theselfevident on May 29, 2013, 03:05:44 PM
I'll stick with texp with option D then
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: SirNobody on May 29, 2013, 03:07:16 PM
Hey,

Do promos go with the set they were printed with or are they not used by anyone?

Does the Warriors Player get to use Goshen and Kingdoms as access sites? :)

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Professoralstad on May 29, 2013, 03:12:38 PM
By the way, I would find it hilarious if I won first, since my prize would either be 1 card from the I/J starters, or an I/J starter deck.

Lol, yes I suppose that might be a difficult choice...Originally I was going to do promos as another option (in which case the first option might be enticing enough for someone to choose them) but then I ran out of spots (I wanted to keep the tournament at 16 for bracket reasons). I thought about tossing them in with Women's, but several people had already made their choices, so I thought it may be unfair.

Hey,

Do promos go with the set they were printed with or are they not used by anyone?

Does the Warriors Player get to use Goshen and Kingdoms as access sites? :)

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

I know we discussed Promos on the car ride back, but like I said, I forgot to include them. I'd have to look at the promo distribution, but at this point I'd say they aren't used by anyone.

I'm going to keep the Siteresses from Warriors as they are ruled now.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Professoralstad on May 29, 2013, 03:16:09 PM
I'll take Warriors. If it's ok that I don't use hamachi that is. I host RTS the old fashioned way and let people connect to me directly.

For Sites my first choice is D, my second is E.

That is ok with me, as long as you are able to explain to people who haven't done so how to do that.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Drrek on May 29, 2013, 03:22:41 PM
Since this is an elimination tournament instead of a swiss or round robin, should we try to rank the sets to get seeds?
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: wyatt_marcum on May 29, 2013, 03:25:57 PM
I'd say use random.org
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Redoubter on May 29, 2013, 03:33:17 PM
Since this is an elimination tournament instead of a swiss or round robin, should we try to rank the sets to get seeds?

Well, those who happened to get the better decks shouldn't get more of an advantage, I would think.  Random seeding would be best and most fair...as long as I don't draw Apostles.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Professoralstad on May 29, 2013, 03:36:17 PM
I could be persuaded to go along with that, if most everyone else was on board. If you like the idea, then provide your rankings, and I will rank them based on a BCS voting system (16 points for a 1 vote, 15 for a 2 vote, etc.) otherwise let me know if you would be opposed. If not many people like that idea, then I will just randomize the initial seedings.

Here would probably be my rankings:

1. G/H decks
2. RoA
3. I/J decks
4. FooF
5. Kings
6. Warriors
7. Priests
8. Disciples
9. E/F decks
10. Patriarchs
11. TexP
12. A/B Decks with Prophets
13. C/D Decks
14. Angel Wars
15. Apostles
16. Women
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Drrek on May 29, 2013, 03:37:51 PM

As each new set comes out, several new cards are added to decks, but not all of the old cards are replaced. Some older cards have stood the test of time, despite reprints, hard counters, and the stigma of being "old". Well, now it's time to find out which set is best. Here's how it will work:


Since this is an elimination tournament instead of a swiss or round robin, should we try to rank the sets to get seeds?

Well, those who happened to get the better decks shouldn't get more of an advantage, I would think.  Random seeding would be best and most fair...as long as I don't draw Apostles.

Well since the purpose of this exercise seems to be to determine the best set, I don't think its really meant to be fair.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: TechnoEthicist on May 29, 2013, 03:46:02 PM
It's been forever since I've been in an online tourney. I'm in, and I'll take Kings. And I want all heroes to be able to access sites :P.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Gabe on May 29, 2013, 04:00:13 PM
I'll take Warriors. If it's ok that I don't use hamachi that is. I host RTS the old fashioned way and let people connect to me directly.

For Sites my first choice is D, my second is E.

That is ok with me, as long as you are able to explain to people who haven't done so how to do that.

It's literally no different for the opponent. I give them my IP address and they connect using the default port. ::)
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Drrek on May 29, 2013, 04:01:17 PM
My rankings

1. FooF
2. RoA
3. G/H
4. I/J
5. Disciples
6. Kings
7. Warriors
8. Priests
9. E/F
10. Pats
11. C/D
12. A/B with prophets
13. Angel Wars
14. Apostles
15. TxP
16. Women
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Professoralstad on May 29, 2013, 04:03:54 PM
I'll take Warriors. If it's ok that I don't use hamachi that is. I host RTS the old fashioned way and let people connect to me directly.

For Sites my first choice is D, my second is E.

That is ok with me, as long as you are able to explain to people who haven't done so how to do that.


It's literally no different for the opponent. I give them my IP address and they connect using the default port. ::)

And that's all you'd have to explain. I just know that change is hard for some people...

Also, KoalaKing has texted me that he has chosen Apostles.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Professoralstad on May 29, 2013, 04:31:14 PM
Drrek and Isildur, I don't have your votes on the site issue.

I would guess you'd both probably be C or E, but I don't want to presume. Maybe you like a challenge... ::)
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: browarod on May 29, 2013, 04:38:00 PM
Are we allowed to use multiple copies of each card from our set?
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: jbeers285 on May 29, 2013, 04:41:42 PM
ill renig and take limited unlimited a/b prophets
fail i didnt realize this was gone i guess ill go c/d decks
i vote c i guess
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Professoralstad on May 29, 2013, 04:51:47 PM
Are we allowed to use multiple copies of each card from our set?

As long as it makes a legal deck, yes.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Professoralstad on May 29, 2013, 04:53:54 PM
ill renig and take limited unlimited a/b prophets
fail i didnt realize this was gone i guess ill go c/d decks

Alrighty then. C/D it is.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Drrek on May 29, 2013, 05:03:47 PM
Drrek and Isildur, I don't have your votes on the site issue.

I would guess you'd both probably be C or E, but I don't want to presume. Maybe you like a challenge... ::)

I go D, wanting a challenge has nothing to do with it.  If we are trying to find out what the best set was, let the set use every tool at its disposal.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Gabe on May 29, 2013, 06:10:20 PM
Must we use the same deck for all of our games or can we modify it between opponents?
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Professoralstad on May 29, 2013, 06:13:54 PM
How:
There is no need to check in decks, and you can use as many different decks as you want. You can "customize" your deck based on what your opponent is using before your game.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Gabe on May 29, 2013, 06:29:59 PM
How:
There is no need to check in decks, and you can use as many different decks as you want. You can "customize" your deck based on what your opponent is using before your game.

I did check the rules before posting that question. Apparently I still missed that. ::)
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on May 29, 2013, 06:50:29 PM
I'll take Patriarchs if nobody else has snagged it.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Master KChief on May 29, 2013, 07:18:34 PM
Dat Noah/Covenant of Noah combo. Going hard in the paint.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on May 29, 2013, 07:24:07 PM
You know it.

Too OP!
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Isildur on May 29, 2013, 07:40:50 PM
I am cool with D.... So long as there is a rule or a gentlemens agreement between players NOT to use sites in a color the other player does not have access to...

Example would be since Gabe has picked the Warriors set he would not include Silver sites in his deck because I have no cards with the color Silver in the Blues and Greens.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Alex_Olijar on May 29, 2013, 07:43:03 PM
You know it.

Too OP!

Don't forget 3 plots in 4 games
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on May 29, 2013, 07:46:03 PM
Yeah, but only like 2 characters to play it on.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Professoralstad on May 29, 2013, 07:55:03 PM
I am cool with D.... So long as there is a rule or a gentlemens agreement between players NOT to use sites in a color the other player does not have access to...

Example would be since Gabe has picked the Warriors set he would not include Silver sites in his deck because I have no cards with the color Silver in the Blues and Greens.

I think that would be a good compromise. So for those players with Silver or Teal sites, does that seem fair? I believe the only set that has zero access to Silver sites is Isildur's set, and the only two sets with zero access to teal sites are Isildur's and I/J.

You know it.

Too OP!

Don't forget 3 plots in 4 games

Keep in mind it's a double elim tourney, so there will be at least 5 rounds to win.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: wyatt_marcum on May 29, 2013, 09:33:52 PM
I'm fine with it, as long as I can change if the set I'm against can get in to them.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: RTSmaniac on May 29, 2013, 11:03:03 PM
Last but not least.

Womens- Ill take it.

Normal site rules please.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: TheJaylor on May 30, 2013, 09:41:32 AM
Normal site rules.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Professoralstad on May 30, 2013, 10:34:43 AM
I'm fine with it, as long as I can change if the set I'm against can get in to them.

You can change your decks as many times as you'd like between rounds.

Well, the tournament has filled, with the possibility for needing a backup if Thomas Hunter determines he can't play. If anyone finds out they need to drop out, please let me know ASAP, so we can find a replacement.

If you have any preference on the seeding method, please let me know by Sunday night with your rankings. I will have the initial bracket setup on Sunday night.

I look forward to a fun tournament! Please PM me with questions.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Bobbert on May 31, 2013, 12:06:26 AM
As I am overbooked Friday and still not sure if RTS/hamachi is working for me, I am forced to step down. As much as I would like to play, I don't want to stick you guys short a player on Saturday night if it doesn't work.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Warrior_Monk on May 31, 2013, 03:24:49 AM
I'd be happy to fill that gap.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Professoralstad on May 31, 2013, 10:36:19 AM
I'd be happy to fill that gap.

Excellent! Glad to see we are still good to go.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Prof Underwood on May 31, 2013, 01:02:13 PM
My rankings:

FooF
RoA
Disciples
Kings
I/J
Priests
Warriors
G/H
Pats
TxP
E/F
Women
A/B with prophets
Apostles
C/D
Angel Wars
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Redoubter on May 31, 2013, 09:41:25 PM
...
TxP
E/F
Women
A/B with prophets
Apostles
C/D
Angel Wars

I can't see how starter decks with starter (with maybe some new) doms and Angel Wars with actual themes and proper abilities could possibly be below TexP, which has a grand total of 1 actual battlewinner (playable on 2 characters), and 1 other potential battlewinner (if other cards aren't in play), where you must play with 43 cards out of only 60, and where the cards are spread across good brigades at a rate of 4-3-3-3-3-3-3 without any actual synergy.  That said, my rankings are:

I/J
FooF
G/H
RoA
Disciples
Priests
E/F
Warriors
Kings
A/B with Prophets
Patriarchs
C/D
Angel Wars
Women
Apostles
TexP
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Prof Underwood on June 01, 2013, 04:22:33 PM
I can't see how starter decks... and Angel Wars...could possibly be below TexP
I don't want to give ideas to my opponent that may come back to bite me, but suffice it to say that there are some sneaky things that I would do if I were using TxP, that I think give it a better chance than the sets below it.  For instance, how do you see A/B getting any LSs past Philly Garrison after they use their AotL, and he comes back once off Philly Outpost?  For that matter, that one move will shut down multiple decks going against TxP.  It's not as bad as you think.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Professoralstad on June 01, 2013, 04:28:28 PM
I'd probably use Ezekiel's Stick or Sound the Alarm...But I'll leave it to Isildur to figure that out.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Alex_Olijar on June 01, 2013, 04:32:20 PM
I can't see how starter decks... and Angel Wars...could possibly be below TexP
I don't want to give ideas to my opponent that may come back to bite me, but suffice it to say that there are some sneaky things that I would do if I were using TxP, that I think give it a better chance than the sets below it.  For instance, how do you see A/B getting any LSs past Philly Garrison after they use their AotL, and he comes back once off Philly Outpost?  For that matter, that one move will shut down multiple decks going against TxP.  It's not as bad as you think.

AB will destroy TEXP. Confusion, Peace, Two Liner, AoC, etc
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Drrek on June 01, 2013, 04:49:46 PM
I can't see how starter decks... and Angel Wars...could possibly be below TexP
I don't want to give ideas to my opponent that may come back to bite me, but suffice it to say that there are some sneaky things that I would do if I were using TxP, that I think give it a better chance than the sets below it.  For instance, how do you see A/B getting any LSs past Philly Garrison after they use their AotL, and he comes back once off Philly Outpost?  For that matter, that one move will shut down multiple decks going against TxP.  It's not as bad as you think.

I count exactly 1 way for TxP do get past one of the 10/10 demons of Original/Prophets/A/B (and even that doesn't get rid of it forever), how do you propose that TxP gets the 5 souls?
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Alex_Olijar on June 01, 2013, 04:54:54 PM
Stalks of Flax
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Isildur on June 01, 2013, 05:42:21 PM
I count exactly 1 way for TxP do get past one of the 10/10 demons of Original/Prophets/A/B (and even that doesn't get rid of it forever), how do you propose that TxP gets the 5 souls?
10/10 demons pssh real men use The False Prophet  8)
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Prof Underwood on June 01, 2013, 05:47:04 PM
Stalks of Flax
Shhhhh.  That was one of the sneaky things :)
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Alex_Olijar on June 01, 2013, 05:49:15 PM
Stalks of Flax
Shhhhh.  That was one of the sneaky things :)

That's a pretty bad idea. If stalks is one of your best offensive options, your set is bad.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: RTSmaniac on June 02, 2013, 09:07:32 AM
Also capture trade with Judah
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: wyatt_marcum on June 02, 2013, 09:14:59 AM
I just played a deck with stalks of flax, and it almost killed me. no blocks, last second Sog, NJ saved my rear.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Prof Underwood on June 02, 2013, 01:55:20 PM
Also capture trade with Judah
Bummer, someone found another of the sneaky things I was talking about.  And wouldn't you know it, I got paired up with TSE first round, so now all these great ideas are indeed going to come back to bite me :)
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: TechnoEthicist on June 04, 2013, 09:00:33 PM
I hate to do this so early in the tournament, but I'm seeing multiple weeks (including next) where I will be out of town or have limited internet access, which I should have considered BEFORE i signed up. So if someone can take over for Kings for me, I'd appreciate it....I was really looking forward to playing too...ah well...
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Prof Underwood on June 04, 2013, 09:19:41 PM
We'll miss you Brad, but at least you're opening up one of the best decks for someone to take over.  I just hope Prof A has a backup ready to go so that they'll still be able to get in their game this week.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: wyatt_marcum on June 04, 2013, 09:21:17 PM
hey Mr.U, looks like I get to play you!
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Chris on June 04, 2013, 09:26:57 PM
If there isn't a back up I'll take over Kings.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Prof Underwood on June 04, 2013, 09:27:57 PM
hey Mr.U, looks like I get to play you!
Yep, I'll look forward to it.

I'm getting ready to introduce my oldest daughter to Star Trek:TOS.  It's gonna be a fun evening :)
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: wyatt_marcum on June 04, 2013, 09:28:59 PM
have fun.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Prof Underwood on June 04, 2013, 11:39:50 PM
It actually didn't go so well :(

I should've picked something light-hearted like "The Trouble with Tribbles".  But I picked "Where No Man Has Gone Before", which is deep and thought-provoking about capital punishment, etc.  However the whole glowing eyes thing scared her, and we had to end up not finishing the episode.

We'll try again with the Tribbles another night.
Title: Re: T.O.S.S: The Official Set Smackdown
Post by: Professoralstad on June 05, 2013, 08:36:23 AM
If there isn't a back up I'll take over Kings.

You got it. PM Jayden (KoalaKing) to try to set up a time to play.
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