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Title: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Watchman on March 09, 2018, 06:45:38 PM
The Fall of Man


Legacy Rares

LR 1. Eve (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Eve-LR-half-e1522948011221.png)
LR 2. Obedience of Noah (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Obedience-of-Noah-LR-half-e1522948000916.png)
LR 3. Death of Unrighteous (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Death-of-Unrighteous-LR-half-e1522947986553.png)
LR 4. Lot's Wife (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/LR-Lots-Wife.png)
LR 5. Egyptian Magicians (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/LR-Egyptian-Magicians.png)
LR 6. Moses (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/LR-Moses.png)
LR 7. Pentecost (https://i.imgur.com/DvOEHbX.png)
LR 8. Sabbath Breaker (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/LR-Sabbath-Breaker.png)
LR 9. Balaam (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/LR-Balaam.png)
LR 10. Balaam's Disobedience (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/LR-Balaams-Disobedience.png)
LR 11. Spy (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/LR-Spy.png)
LR 12. Capturing Canaan (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/LR-Capturing-Canaan.png)
LR 13. The Amalekite's Slave (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/The-Amalekites-Slave-LR.png)
LR 14. Captured Ark (https://i.imgur.com/sbEgIsy.png)
LR 15. Hopper LS (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/LR-Lost-Soul-II_Chronicles-28_13.png)
LR 16. MAYHEM (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/LR-Mayhem.png)
LR 17. Punisher LS (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/LR-Lost-Soul-Jeremiah-17_9.png)
LR 18. Wanderer LS (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/LR-Lost-Soul-Ezekiel-34_6.png)

Cards from The Fall of Man:

1.  Adam (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Adam.png)
2.  Tree of Knowledge (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Tree-of-Knowledge.png)
3.  Did God Really Say? (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Did_God_Really_Say.png) - Rare
4.  The Fall of Man (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/004-The-Fall-of-Man.jpg) - Ultra Rare
5.  Shame (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Shame.png)
6.  Forbidden Fruit (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Forbidden-Fruit.png)
7.  Blame Shifting (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Blame-Shifting.png)
8.  Serpent's Curse (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/The-Serpents-Curse.png)
9.  Birthing Pains (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Birthing-Pains.png)
10. Cursed Ground (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Cursed-Ground.png)
11. The Guardian Cherub (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/The-Guaridian-Cherub.png)
12. Flaming Sword (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Flaming-Sword.png)
13. East of Eden (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/East-of-Eden.png)
14. City of Enoch (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/City-of-Enoch.png)
15. Lamech, the Avenged (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Lamech.png)
16. Zillah (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Zillah.png)
17. Tubal-Cain (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Tubal-cain.png)
18. Naamah (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Naamah.png)
19. Lost Soul ("Wicked") (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Lost-Soul-Genesis-6_5.png)
20. Violent Tendencies (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Violent-Tendencies.png)
21. Corrupt Earth (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Corrupt-Earth.png)
22. Two By Two (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Animals-Enter-the-Ark.png)
23. Shem's Wife (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Shems-Wife.png)
24. Japheth's Wife (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Japheths-Wife.png) - Rare
25. Ham's Wife (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Hams-Wife.png)
26. A New Beginning (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/A-New-Beginning.png) - Rare


Title: Re: Spring 2018 Redemption Expansion Set
Post by: Watchman on March 09, 2018, 06:47:18 PM
27. Anthropophobia (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Anthropophobia.png)
28. The Rainbow (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Covenant-of-the-Rainbow.png) - Rare
29. Canaan, the Cursed (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Canaan-the-Cursed.png)
30. Unified Language (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Unified-Language.png)
31. Babel (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Babel.jpg) - Ultra-Rare
32. Confused Languages (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Confused-Languages.png) - Rare
33. Lot (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Lot-e1522726215539.png)
34. Harbingers (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Harbingers-e1522726206955.png)
35. Lingering in Sodom (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Lingering-in-Sodom.png)
36. Sodom & Gomorrah (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Sodom-Gomorrah.png) - Rare
37. Raining Fire (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Raining-Fire-e1522726234279.png)
38. Pillar of Salt (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Piller-of-Salt.png)
39. Lot’s Daughters (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Lots-Daughters-e1522726224712.png)
40. Moab (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Moab-e1522722648888.png) - Rare
41. Dinah (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Dinah.png)
42. Hamor (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Hamor.png)
43. Deceit & Vengeance (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Deciet-and-Vengeance.png) - Rare
44. Brothers' Envy (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Brothers-Envy.png)
45. Wild Beast (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Wild-Beast.png)
46. Pit of Dothan (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Pit-of-Dothan.png)
47. Midianite's Slave (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Midianites-Slave.png)
48. Coat of Many Colors (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Coat-of-Many-Colors.png) - Rare
49. Hiding Joseph's Cup (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Hiding-Josephs-Cup.png)
50. Taskmaster (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Taskmaster.png)
51. Slaves in Egypt (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Slaves-in-Egypt.png)
52. Raamses (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Raamses.png)
53. Hard Bondage (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Hard-Bondage.png)
54. Shiphrah (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Shiphrah.png)
55. Pharaoh's Daughter (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Pharaohs-Daughter.png)
56. Egyptian Wise Men (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Egyptian-Wise-Men.png)
57. Jambres (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Jambres.png)
58. Jannes (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Jannes.png)
59. Magicians' Staves/Magicians' Snakes (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Magicians-Staves.png) - Rare
60. Plague of Disease (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Plague-of-Disease.png)
61. Plague of Locusts (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Plague-of-Locusts.png)
62. Plague of Darkness (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Plague-of-Darkness.png)
63. Lost Soul ("Hunter") (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/063-Lost_Soul-Exodus_11-5.png)
64. Sun Worship (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Sun-Worship.png)
65. Tables of the Law (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Tables-of-the-Law.png) - Rare
66. Golden Calf (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Golden-Calf.png) - Rare
67. Golden Calf Worship (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Golder-Calf-Worship.png)
68. Ahiman, son of Anak (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Ahiman-son-of-Talmai.png)
69. Sheshai, son of Anak (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Sheshai-son-of-Anak.png)
70. Talmai, son of Anak (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Talmai-son-of-Anak.png)
71. Fiery Serpents (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Fiery_Serpents.png)
Title: Re: Spring 2018 Redemption Expansion Set
Post by: Watchman on March 09, 2018, 06:47:48 PM
72. King Balak (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/King-Balak.png)
73. Emim (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Emim.png) - Rare
74. Og, King of Bashan (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Og-King-of-Bashan.png) - Rare
75. Lost Soul ("Covet") (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/075-Lost_Soul_Deut_5-21-R.png) - Rare
76. Eye for an Eye (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Eye-for-an-Eye.png)
77. Overtaken (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Pursued-and-Destroyed.png) - Rare
78. Lost Soul ("Prosperity") (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/078-Lost_Soul_Deuteronomy_30-15.png)
79. Lost Soul ("6/ or Greater") (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/079-Lost_Soul_Deuteronomy_32-15.png)
80. Joshua's Spear (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Joshuas-Spear.png)
81. Gibeonite Treaty (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Gibeonite-Treaty.png)
82. Hailstones (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Hailstones.png)
83. Caleb (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Caleb.png) - Rare
84. Hebron (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Hebron.png) - Rare
85. Canaanite Wives (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Canaanite-Wives.png)
86. Idols of Canaan (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Idols-of-Canaan.png)
87. Idol Worship (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Idol-Worship.png)
88. Othniel (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Othniel.png)
89. King Eglon (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/King-Eglon.png)
90. Shamgar (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Shamgar.png)
91. Gideon’s Ephod (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Gideons-Ephod.png)
92. Jephthah's Daughter (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Jephthahs-Daughter.png)
93. Daughter's Grief (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Lamenting-in-the-Mountains.png)
94. Ashkelon (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Ashkelon.png)
95. Prisoner in Gaza (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Prisoner-in-Gaza.png)
96. Altar of Dagon (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Altar-of-Dagon.png)
97. Avenged! (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Samsons-Vengeance.png) - Rare
98. Captive Priest (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Captive-Priest.png)
99. Sin and Justice (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Sin_and_Justice.png) - Rare
100. Brother's Conflict (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Brother-Against-Brother.png)
101. Phinehas, Son of Eleazar (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Phinehas-Son-of-Eleazar.png) - Rare
102. Dancing Wives (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Dancing-Wives.png)
103. Death of Family (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Death-of-Family.png)
104. Orpah (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Orpah.png)
105. Orpah Departs (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Orpah-Departs.png)
106. Lost Anointing (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Lost-Anointing.png) - Rare
107. Zion (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Zion.png)
108. David's Servants (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Davids-Servants.png)
109. David's Sin (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Davids-Sin.png)
110. Bathsheba (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Bathsheba.png)
111. Ahimaaz (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Ahimaaz.png)
112. Elhanan (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Elhanan.png)
113. Jonathan, Son of Shimei (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Jonathan-Son-of-Shimei.png)
114. The Fallen King (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/The-Fallen-King.png) - Rare
Title: Re: Spring 2018 Redemption Expansion Set
Post by: Watchman on March 09, 2018, 06:48:29 PM
115. Chemosh Worship (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Chemosh-Worship.png)
116. Baal Worship (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Baal-Worship.png)
117. Jehu's Sword (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Jehus-Sword.png)
118. Wayward Sheep (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Wayward-Sheep.png)
119. The Lying Spirit (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Lying-Spirit-e1522814463641.png) - Rare
120. Imprisoned Prophet (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Imprisoned-Prophet.png)
121. King Mesha (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/King-Mesha.png)
122. Moabite Army (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Moabite-Army.png)
123. Naaman's Servant Girl (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Naamans-Slave-Girl.png)
124. King Jehu (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/King-Jehu.png) - Rare
125. Moabite Marauders (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Moabite-Marauders.png)
126. Captive Princes (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Captive-Princes.png)
127. Manasseh’s Altar (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Manassehs-Alter.png)
128. Purging Evil (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Purging-Evil.png)
129. Benaiah (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Benaiah.png)
130. David’s Census (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Davids-Census.png) - Rare
131. Justice Bringers (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Justice-Bringers.png) - Rare
132. The Lord Goes Before You (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/The-Lord-Goes-Before-You.png) - Rare
133. Captured Kinsmen (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Captured-Kinsmen.png)
134. Corrupted Temple (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Corrupted-Temple.png) - Rare
135. Rubble and Dust (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Rubble_and_Dust.png) - Rare
136. Lost Soul ("Vindicated") (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Lost_Soul_Job_13-18.png) - Rare
137. Lost Soul ("Blind") (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Lost-Soul-Job-29_15.png)
138. The Leviathan (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/The-Leviathan.png) - Rare
139. Treachery (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Treachery.png)
140. Lost Soul ("O.T. Only") (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/140-Lost_Soul_Psalm_78-22.png)
141. Envy (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Envy.png)
142. The Mighty Warrior (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/The-Mighty-Warrior.png) - Rare
143. Darkness (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Darkness.png)
144. Heart of Depravity (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Heart-of-Depravity.png) - Rare
145. The Wages of Sin (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/The-Wages-of-Sin.png) - Ultra Rare
146. Hope (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Hope.png) - Rare
147. Life Through Christ (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Life-Through-Christ.png) - Rare
Title: Re: Spring 2018 Redemption Expansion Set
Post by: kariusvega on March 09, 2018, 07:30:19 PM
Can we get links to those card images on here? Thanks for doing this Watchman!
Title: Re: Spring 2018 Redemption Expansion Set
Post by: NathanW on March 09, 2018, 07:39:28 PM
http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Shamgar-unity.jpg
http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Benaiah_preview.jpg
Title: Re: Spring 2018 Redemption Expansion Set
Post by: Watchman on March 09, 2018, 08:27:02 PM
In the process of doing it.  Just trying to figure it out. :)
Title: Re: Spring 2018 Redemption Expansion Set
Post by: Watchman on March 09, 2018, 08:39:09 PM
Can we get links to those card images on here? Thanks for doing this Watchman!

They're up and ready.  And no prob; my pleasure!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Watchman on March 19, 2018, 06:00:50 PM
New cards added!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Bobbert on March 19, 2018, 06:19:43 PM
You missed Flaming Sword (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Flaming-Sword.jpg), hidden in the list of cards Adam can pull out.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Xonathan on March 19, 2018, 06:35:44 PM
You missed Flaming Sword (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Flaming-Sword.jpg), hidden in the list of cards Adam can pull out.

I missed that too! lol
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Sadness on March 19, 2018, 06:41:37 PM
Me three. Good call and catch
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Watchman on March 19, 2018, 07:43:35 PM
When was that one released?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: TheJaylor on March 19, 2018, 08:01:19 PM
When was that one released?
On the Land of Redemption article, there's a link to it hidden in the list of "already existing" (... :o ...) enhancements Adam can topdeck.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Watchman on March 19, 2018, 08:02:12 PM
Ah. I missed that. I was thinking it was the old card. I didn’t even click the link. Thanks!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on March 19, 2018, 08:25:31 PM
Ah. I missed that. I was thinking it was the old card. I didn’t even click the link. Thanks!

Sometimes we get sneaky and hide things.  ;)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: SignoftheStar on March 20, 2018, 12:04:44 AM
On the Land of Redemption article, there's a link to it hidden in the list of "already existing" (... :o ...) enhancements Adam can topdeck.

I had a tiny little happy attack when I discovered that~
I was like, "Haha! My diligent hovering over every blue link never goes unrewarded! Let's see... OH MY GOSH, THEY DID IT!! THEY FINALLY DID IT!! THEY REPRINTED FLAMING SWORD, AND IT DOES EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED IT TO DO~! Oh Cactus, you lovable little so-and-sos~"

This set is going to be so awesome.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Reth on March 20, 2018, 02:27:57 AM
Thank you Watchman!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: redemption collector 777 on March 20, 2018, 02:28:55 PM
I really like the blame shifting card because of bringing back "Redirect" ability after all those years.

I like "The Serpent's Curse" card because it is an ability that evil characters (animals in the case of the SA) get to ignore heroes after a very long time. 


The Fall of man card is really nice because of the simple "Restrict players from playing dominant cards while player is rescuing or blocking"  I think the game needed at least one card that does such an ability.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Isildur on March 21, 2018, 12:56:32 AM
I really like the blame shifting card because of bringing back "Redirect" ability after all those years.
Redirect is a terrible ability. It's super confusing and is not at all consistent. There is a reason why the ability hasn't been used since G/H.

I was always a big hit at the sealed deck tables because whenever someone would play a redirect card my hand would shoot up because I never understood how it worked... and neither did my opponents... or the judges :P

*Edit. Sorry guys I could have worded that first statement a little softer! But I'll leave it as is since that was my opinion about the ability for many years.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on March 21, 2018, 01:04:44 AM
It's actually one of the easiest abilities to understand...if you interrupt and redirect a card, you can just physically pick up the card and play it back on the table on your side of the battle. If it says "discard a Hero" you discard a Hero. If it says "Discard all Evil Characters" you discard all Evil Characters.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: TheHobbit13 on March 21, 2018, 01:34:37 AM
It's easy to carry out once you understand how it functions but there is still a bit of interpretation that has to be had, because it would be easy to think that redirecting "discard a hero" would mean that you could discard an evil character, because you would be redirecting their enhancement directly back on your opponent's character. While it's clear that targets are being changed, it's not necessarily clear from reading the ability how they are being changed. Redirect can be described so succinctly that it probably doesn't even need to be a keyword in itself. "interrupt the battle and change the target of an enhancement" suffices.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Isildur on March 21, 2018, 02:20:00 AM
It's easy to carry out once you understand how it functions but there is still a bit of interpretation that has to be had, because it would be easy to think that redirecting "discard a hero" would mean that you could discard an evil character, because you would be redirecting their enhancement directly back on your opponent's character. While it's clear that targets are being changed, it's not necessarily clear from reading the ability how they are being changed.
That's how I always used to get confused as a youngster. It was tricky for me to understand how the targets changed ect.

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How to Play
● A redirect effect changes which player carries out an ability or which character benefits from the strength
and/or toughness on a card.
● Targets must be in battle, regardless of the type of redirect.
● Redirect effects that redirect an ability target the ability that is to be redirected. The target must be pending by
being interrupted.
● Redirecting an ability allows the player using the redirect effect to change which cards are targeted by the
redirected ability, but does not change the wording on the card. The new targets of the redirected ability may be
the same as or different than the ones that were originally targeted.
● Redirecting an ability does not change which player played the card it is on or the character that used it, but
does change which player carries out the effect.
● Redirect effects that redirect an ability are instant.
● Redirect effects that redirect strength and/or toughness target the card that the strength and/or toughness are on.
The strength and/or toughness of a card can be redirected without interrupting an ability on the card.
● Redirecting strength and/or toughness reduces the strength and/or toughness of the target by the amount
redirected and increases the strength and/or toughness of the redirecting card by the same amount.
● Redirect effects that redirect strength and/or toughness are ongoing.
● Ongoing redirect effects last until the end of the phase in which they are activated.

Here I copied and pasted the "how to play" from the REG. It's hard to garner that (to quote Justin) "if you interrupt and redirect a card, you can just physically pick up the card and play it back on the table on your side of the battle". As a kid when Women's came out I never understood what Redirect meant. There is a lot going on in that "how to play".

I'd still like to say that I do appreciate Justin's definition and will use that in the future to explain what it does!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: ChristianSoldier on March 21, 2018, 03:33:18 AM
I think the problem with Redirect in the past was mostly because A) they were so rare that most players didn't use them very much B) some of the Redirect abilities were badly worded to be redirects and C) there was some confusion over which player's perspective the redirected ability was read from and the issues Redemption had with actually dealing with Rules in the past.

Redirect is obvious in many cases, both the cases that The Guardian used as examples are fairly easy and actually hard to get wrong with the understanding of Redemption Rules I had when the Tenth Anniversary Starter Deck came out with Denying Blame. However I was usually unsure of who's perspective the card was read from. If I redirected a card that cared who played it, Drawn Sword from FooF (2011) is a good example.

Drawn Sword says: "...you may discard an opponent's character in the field of battle..."

If I redirected Drawn Sword, according to my reading of the REG Entry (and The Guardian's simple explanation) Drawn Sword would be able to discard MY opponent's character in battle, because the first line in the REG entry says "A redirect effect changes which player carries out an ability" so the ability is now my ability and the "opponent" it is talking about is now my opponent. (Also my character benefits from the numbers on Drawn Sword)

Note: This is not how I would have designed Redirect, but it's not hard to understand, I would have just had it allow the redirecting player to choose the targets, but the card to still be read from the perspective of the player who played the card.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: kariusvega on March 21, 2018, 07:18:10 AM
It's actually one of the easiest abilities to understand...if you interrupt and redirect a card, you can just physically pick up the card and play it back on the table on your side of the battle. If it says "discard a Hero" you discard a Hero. If it says "Discard all Evil Characters" you discard all Evil Characters.

This is a great concise description of redirect.

Redirect isn't negate and sometimes will do things you don't want it to, which is when you have to argue about it lol. It's a higher risk/reward option than a negate.

Last redirect I played was against Guardian he played Overwhelming Presence which underdecks all evil characters in battle so I tried to play Denying Blame (incorrectly) to keep my Goliath from being underdecked. Well the ability still works so I pretty much just underdecked my own guy to result in the same outcome haha

Gabe turned me on to Denying Blame though because he had it in a throne/philistines deck and he used it correctly against me to get a great block.

Redirect is definitely an awesome ability when understood and used properly!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on March 21, 2018, 11:54:59 AM
I agree with CS's point about the confusing wording used on the original redirects (Treachery of Jezebel and Counsel of Abigail from Womens). Because those stated "redirected to the Hero/EC of your choice" it made it seem like you could redirect an ability that said "Discard a Hero" and redirect that to "discard an EC". That might have actually been the original intent (I wasn't on the playtest team that long ago), but we have since defined redirect to simply mean the redirecting player gets to carry out the ability instead of the player who actually played the card. In some cases, like KV's example with Overwhelming Presence, redirecting doesn't actually help because it doesn't change the ability.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: kariusvega on March 21, 2018, 12:01:42 PM
I agree with CS's point about the confusing wording used on the original redirects (Treachery of Jezebel and Counsel of Abigail from Womens). Because those stated "redirected to the Hero/EC of your choice" it made it seem like you could redirect an ability that said "Discard a Hero" and redirect that to "discard an EC". That might have actually been the original intent (I wasn't on the playtest team that long ago), but we have since defined redirect to simply mean the redirecting player gets to carry out the ability instead of the player who actually played the card. In some cases, like KV's example with Overwhelming Presence, redirecting doesn't actually help because it doesn't change the ability.

The wording on those two cards is precisely why I was confused about how redirect works.. (thinking the underdeck could be redirected to any characters in battle)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on March 21, 2018, 12:19:46 PM
Redirect is a really cool ability once you understand it (also assuming the card is worded clearly)!

It's underused because 2 of the old redirect cards are confusing - Counsel of Abigail (Wo) and Treachery of Jezebel (Wo) and the third is in a brigade chocked full of interrupts and negates (black) so player pass it over because they aren't familiar with redirect.

We're bringing redirect back! There are two new dual alignment redirect cards this year and I expect them both to see a decent amount of play. I'm really excited for all the cool scenarios that will come up!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Reth on March 23, 2018, 12:10:38 PM
It's underused because 2 of the old redirect cards are confusing - Counsel of Abigail (Wo) and Treachery of Jezebel (Wo) and the third is in a brigade chocked full of interrupts and negates (black) so player pass it over because they aren't familiar with redirect.

That's exactly the point. I tried to include Denying Blame into some decks quite a while ago but it did not work out. So as you said: I stepped back to the easier to be used interrupts and negates of that brigade. After reading the redirect part in REG I did not figure out how to use this in a helpfully way during battle when you're going to loose and only SI is left.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: TheJaylor on March 23, 2018, 06:51:00 PM
Since A New Beginning causes SI, can we change the errata to say: "During a rescue attempt, banish this card to shuffle all cards in play, hands, and set-aside areas. If no Heroes are in battle, end the battle, each player must draw 8, and end current turn. If you do, you may begin a new turn."?

This way I can redirect my opponents ANB and take the turn. :P
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: SignoftheStar on March 24, 2018, 05:53:59 AM
*completely fangirls over Magicians' Staves*
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: goalieking87 on March 24, 2018, 07:47:20 AM
Since A New Beginning causes SI, can we change the errata to say: "During a rescue attempt, banish this card to shuffle all cards in play, hands, and set-aside areas. If no Heroes are in battle, end the battle, each player must draw 8, and end current turn. If you do, you may begin a new turn."?

This way I can redirect my opponents ANB and take the turn. :P

Since ANB ends the battle, you cannot play an enhancement to interrupt it. Also, the ability would need to happen before you have any chance to interrupt. This is the same as if someone was blocking and plays Stormy Seas “Discard a random card from each opponent’s hand (or two if used by a Roman) [...]”. The discard happens first - even if you had the redirect card in your hand, if they discard it then you can’t play it to redirect. You have to carry out the ability as though it would 100% happen before any other cards are played.  In the case of ANB, it brings you to a new phase, even a new turn, so would not be interruptable or negatable from that standpoint either.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Watchman on March 24, 2018, 08:24:34 AM
Since ANB ends the battle, you cannot play an enhancement to interrupt it. Also, the ability would need to happen before you have any chance to interrupt. This is the same as if someone was blocking and plays Stormy Seas “Discard a random card from each opponent’s hand (or two if used by a Roman) [...]”. The discard happens first - even if you had the redirect card in your hand, if they discard it then you can’t play it to redirect. You have to carry out the ability as though it would 100% happen before any other cards are played.  In the case of ANB, it brings you to a new phase, even a new turn, so would not be interruptable or negatable from that standpoint either.

This is not accurate. Once my last EC in battle is being targeted for shuffle (which is triggered by the wording “all cards in play,” which is the first ability in ANB’s SA that affects me, the opponent), I have SI to play an enh to negate/interrupt the removal from battle before anything else gets resolved. Stormy Seas is not an apples to apples comparison because it doesn’t trigger SI; it only targets my hand so the ability does complete.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: SignoftheStar on March 26, 2018, 03:22:34 PM
Once my last EC in battle is being targeted for shuffle (which is triggered by the wording “all cards in play,” which is the first ability in ANB’s SA that affects me, the opponent), I have SI to play an enh to negate/interrupt the removal from battle before anything else gets resolved.

Firstly, as long as no Heroes remain in battle after the shuffle, A New Beginning ends the battle as per its errata. Under this consideration, the only time you would have a chance to interrupt it is if any Heroes remained in battle; in any other scenario, you don't have the opportunity to interrupt ANB because the battle is already over. The opportunity window, or battle step, in which special initiative usually occurs has been skipped.
Even were this not the case, ANB banishes itself to activate its special ability- again, as per its errata. Since it is no longer in play, you cannot interrupt it or negate it after it has been played, as targets for interrupts and negates have to be in play by default



On another note, I take great offense to Pharaoh's Daughter being an Evil Character, even if she's also a Hero. The only thing she ever did in Scripture was rescue a Hebrew child sentenced to death and raise him as her own son. Making her an Evil Character just because she was also an Egyptian would make as much sense as making Rahab an Evil Character just because she was a Canaanite.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Kevinthedude on March 26, 2018, 03:33:03 PM
Once my last EC in battle is being targeted for shuffle (which is triggered by the wording “all cards in play,” which is the first ability in ANB’s SA that affects me, the opponent), I have SI to play an enh to negate/interrupt the removal from battle before anything else gets resolved.

Firstly, as long as no Heroes remain in battle after the shuffle, A New Beginning ends the battle as per its errata. Under this consideration, the only time you would have a chance to interrupt it is if any Heroes remained in battle; in any other scenario, you don't have the opportunity to interrupt ANB because the battle is already over. The opportunity window, or battle step, in which special initiative usually occurs has been skipped.
Even were this not the case, ANB banishes itself to activate its special ability- again, as per its errata. Since it is no longer in play, you cannot interrupt it or negate it after it has been played, as targets for interrupts and negates have to be in play by default

This would be correct if ANB didn't trigger SI, but it does since it would leave you with no characters in battle. SI allows you to both interrupt it before it ends the battle and target it before it leaves play because it is suspended before it actually resolves. Note that end the battle abilities don't actually have the CBI modifier, they are simply effectively the same as if they were CBI (except for the case of ANB because it triggers SI).

On another note, I take great offense to Pharaoh's Daughter being an Evil Character, even if she's also a Hero. The only thing she ever did in Scripture was rescue a Hebrew child sentenced to death and raise him as her own son. Making her an Evil Character just because she was also an Egyptian would make as much sense as making Rahab an Evil Character just because she was a Canaanite.

Humans are innately sinful. Just because someone does the right thing sometimes or even often doesn't disqualify them from being Evil Characters in Redemption.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Watchman on March 26, 2018, 04:00:50 PM
Even were this not the case, ANB banishes itself to activate its special ability- again, as per its errata. Since it is no longer in play, you cannot interrupt it or negate it after it has been played, as targets for interrupts and negates have to be in play by default

I was under the same impression until a recent thread made me the wiser.  I was told that the REG (which they also quoted) states that if you have special inish you can play an interrupt or negate card that can stop the targeting, and that the target card doesn't have to be in play either.  I always thought that if the card banished itself or was in the discard pile that it could only be targeted by an ITB or negate the last X.  Apparently I was wrong.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Watchman on March 26, 2018, 04:04:39 PM
On another note, I take great offense to Pharaoh's Daughter being an Evil Character, even if she's also a Hero. The only thing she ever did in Scripture was rescue a Hebrew child sentenced to death and raise him as her own son. Making her an Evil Character just because she was also an Egyptian would make as much sense as making Rahab an Evil Character just because she was a Canaanite.

I understand what you're saying but there are other characters in Redemption that are considered ECs that are questionably so, such as Uzzah (he probably reached out as a natural reaction to steady the Ark when it was about to fall.  I understand why he died, but why be considered an EC when he was probably just reacting out of instinct and was trying to do a "good thing"?) and others.  Thankfully, when it comes down to it, it's just a game. 
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on March 26, 2018, 04:22:09 PM
+1 If we based every character on one or two actions, then arguments could be made for the majority of characters (particularly OT) to be DA, which we believe is not what's best for the game.

As the designers of the cards, we have to make decisions and we know that not everyone will agree with every decision. In fact, we don't always agree as a team on certain cards--as you might imagine, this set has been particularly challenging in that regard. We appreciate feedback that is expressed respectfully (even if that feedback is negative in some way), and we do take community feedback into account (otherwise we wouldn't preview cards like we do), but imagine if the process for every card was as complicated as the Rapha community card...there would be a new set ready every five years or so...  ::)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Watchman on March 26, 2018, 05:50:15 PM
+1 If we based every character on one or two actions, then arguments could be made for the majority of characters (particularly OT) to be DA, which we believe is not what's best for the game.

As the designers of the cards, we have to make decisions and we know that not everyone will agree with every decision. In fact, we don't always agree as a team on certain cards--as you might imagine, this set has been particularly challenging in that regard. We appreciate feedback that is expressed respectfully (even if that feedback is negative in some way), and we do take community feedback into account (otherwise we wouldn't preview cards like we do), but imagine if the process for every card was as complicated as the Rapha community card...there would be a new set ready every five years or so...  ::)

With that being said, I really, really feel strongly, and I know others do as well after hearing feedback on this forum and other related forums, that Nephilim should only be an EC.  There's too much evidence indicating that they were ECs as opposed to them being treated as "heroes" as far as the Redemption definition of heroes goes (not to mention how the Bible and other historical sources viewed the Nephilim).  At the very least perhaps a vote from the community on whether it should only be an EC or a DAC is warranted.  I feel that leaving Nephilim as a DAC is a mistake that will be regretted later and is already leaving a bad taste in some people's mouths.  If one looks at the Hebrew definition of Nephilim it's one of negative connotation, not anything good.

At any rate, please let this be discussed in the Redemption community instead of just making the decision without valid input from us. 
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Jeremystair on March 26, 2018, 06:01:47 PM
+1
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on March 26, 2018, 06:39:28 PM
The only person to give any kind of backing for their opinion on Nephilim is goalieking87. If you want to be heard I recommend following his lead in the post already started (http://www.cactusforums.com/off-topic/heroic-nephilim/) on the Nephilim topic.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: YeshuaIsLord on March 27, 2018, 07:35:18 PM
I would suggest creating "Son's of God" cards (that are related to the Nephilim theme). That would seem to be natural since they are mentioned in the same text(s). But I guess you already did design some so I'm going to predict a little bit:
I would like to see any one of the spoiled if I'm not quite on target yet you might give us a hint ;-)
Also if these card's don't exist yet take this as an recommendation ;-)

Blessings :)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: dermo4christ on March 27, 2018, 10:18:47 PM
Loving this set so far! The giants are.....da bomb!!!!!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: uthminister [BR] on March 28, 2018, 01:05:41 PM
 A Fall of Man card appeared on my spoof thread here: http://www.cactusforums.com/off-topic/what-cards-would-you-include-in-a-redemption-spoof-set/50/ (http://www.cactusforums.com/off-topic/what-cards-would-you-include-in-a-redemption-spoof-set/50/)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on March 30, 2018, 02:40:15 PM
We've determined rarities for most cards. Of the cards spoiled thus far these are rare:

Did God Really Say?
Sodom & Gomorrah
Magician's Staves
Tables of the Law
Emim
Og, King of Bashan
Hebron
Corrupt Temple

And of course Babel and The Fall of Man are ultra rare.

No legacy rare cards have yet been revealed.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: SignoftheStar on April 03, 2018, 05:59:19 PM
Lot's Daughters is interesting, but also a perfect example of why I'm against this latest use of the word take.

"Take a Human Hero to your territory."

She does not specify from where.

The old use of Take- gaining control of a card another player controls- would keep this clear: grab an opponent's Hero.
The new use of Take- gaining control of a card not in your control- means we must specify a location every time we use Take.
As it stands, "Take a Human Hero to your territory" sounds like you could Take it from your opponent's territory or one of your piles.
If you can't Take it from piles because the target defaults to in play, it honestly just makes the vocab change all the more unnecessary. Because we already have a word that means to grab a card from your piles.
Search.
You can say what you like about searching technically being part of an ability, but we have used it as a complete ability for a very long time.




With all that being said,
this set is very exciting.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Kevinthedude on April 03, 2018, 06:17:35 PM
"Take a Human Hero to your territory."

She does not specify from where.

Yes it does, by not specifying where it is specifying from play.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 03, 2018, 07:33:25 PM
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The new use of Take- gaining control of a card not in your control- means we must specify a location every time we use Take.
As it stands, "Take a Human Hero to your territory" sounds like you could Take it from your opponent's territory or one of your piles.   

By this logic, an ability that said "Discard an enhancement" could discard an enhancement from an opponent's deck...
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: SignoftheStar on April 03, 2018, 10:01:39 PM
I have been asked by a moderator to no longer speak of Take on this post.
My apologies to any and all I may have annoyed, irritated, or offended by speaking out against this latest ruling.

As a parting remark, I happily concede that the responses from Kevin and in particular The Guardian are fairly sound.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: STAMP on April 04, 2018, 10:57:03 PM
Nimrod?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on April 04, 2018, 11:05:11 PM
Nimrod?

Scott? Scott, is that you?!!

Nimrod, the Mighty is an EC from Cloud of Witnesses.

Did you see that ANB Dom? Can’t help but think of you whenever that card comes up.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: STAMP on April 04, 2018, 11:13:16 PM
Yes, it is me.  I've been helping Jonathan Steckmann with his tournaments.  Getting to play, too,...with old cards.  I have a few new cards but not Nimrod yet.  I did see the dominant A New Beginning.  Nice! 

A lot of changes.  Played a fruitless game against a Hero called Children of Light? with a zillion placed cards on it.  Fun times, lol.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on April 04, 2018, 11:35:36 PM
A lot of changes.  Played a fruitless game against a Hero called Children of Light? with a zillion placed cards on it.  Fun times, lol.

Don't worry. That will be over soon.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Kor on April 04, 2018, 11:48:26 PM
I'm a little confused about Moabite Marauders.  How can you take an enhancement IN battle, AFTER battle?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: RedemptionAggie on April 05, 2018, 12:09:57 AM
"After battle" happens during battle resolution, after you've decided the battle, discarded the losers, and surrendered the LS, but before the surviving characters return to territory and the enhancements they used are discarded.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Kor on April 05, 2018, 12:17:43 AM
So you could only take or banish an enhancement used by a surviving character?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: TheJaylor on April 05, 2018, 12:40:33 AM
So you could only take or banish an enhancement used by a surviving character?
Used by an opponent's surviving character, actually. This is due to the definition of the word "Take" which defaults to cards you don't control. There's a different thread that's still active that clarifies this. I believe it's "The Actual Next Best Thing."
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 05, 2018, 12:40:59 AM
So you could only take or banish an enhancement used by a surviving character?
Used by an opponent's surviving character, actually. This is due to the definition of the word "Take" which defaults to cards you don't control. There's a different thread that's still active that clarifies this. I believe it's "The Actual Next Best Thing."

Correct.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: kariusvega on April 05, 2018, 07:16:57 AM

A lot of changes.  Played a fruitless game against a Hero called Children of Light? with a zillion placed cards on it.  Fun times, lol.

Fruitless or fruitful? ;)

The new set has dozens of solutions to this card but also other problem cards which utilize heavy amounts of protection. Regardless being a modifier also plays a part in balancing protection.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Xonathan on April 07, 2018, 07:36:01 AM
Now we can add 4 legacy rares to the list :)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on April 07, 2018, 07:51:04 AM
As Josh kindly pointed out elsewhere Rubble and Dust was misnumbered. It’s actually 135. The two Lost Souls that follow it we’re also misnumbered and should be 136 & 137. The Bathsheba image should have been updated since her original spoiler too.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Xonathan on April 07, 2018, 08:22:17 AM
Will promo cards be included in the legacy rares? Especially the one from my favorite book; Sammuel.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on April 07, 2018, 08:48:31 AM
It is the year of the Giant
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: jesse on April 07, 2018, 11:08:04 AM
Any update on what the contents of each pack will be?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: disciple_drew on April 08, 2018, 07:57:42 AM
When will the release date of the set and release date on Lackey CCG?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: YeshuaIsLord on April 08, 2018, 11:08:14 AM
As Josh kindly pointed out elsewhere Rubble and Dust was misnumbered. It’s actually 135. The two Lost Souls that follow it we’re also misnumbered and should be 136 & 137. The Bathsheba image should have been updated since her original spoiler too.
Bathsheba isn't in the list anymore. At least I couldn't find it.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: TheJaylor on April 08, 2018, 02:13:29 PM
As Josh kindly pointed out elsewhere Rubble and Dust was misnumbered. It’s actually 135. The two Lost Souls that follow it we’re also misnumbered and should be 136 & 137. The Bathsheba image should have been updated since her original spoiler too.
Bathsheba isn't in the list anymore. At least I couldn't find it.
She was spoiled in the "Gray's Best Defense" LoR article.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: NathanW on April 08, 2018, 02:20:49 PM
The image was updated since it was originally spoiled. Here's the link until Watchman adds it to the original post. Bathsheba (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Bathsheba.png)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Watchman on April 08, 2018, 03:01:50 PM
The image was updated since it was originally spoiled. Here's the link until Watchman adds it to the original post. Bathsheba (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Bathsheba.png)

It's back up.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: YeshuaIsLord on April 08, 2018, 08:16:35 PM
Let's say I would use Naamans Slave Girl (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Naamans-Slave-Girl.png) to convert a giant (let's say Ahiman (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Ahiman-son-of-Talmai.png) to a hero and would do a RA with it. How would the SA be modified? Ahiman wouldn't be able to band to Sheshai (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Sheshai-son-of-Anak.png) or Talmai (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Talmai-son-of-Anak.png) would he?
Blessings
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on April 08, 2018, 08:34:00 PM
Let's say I would use Naamans Slave Girl (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Naamans-Slave-Girl.png) to convert a giant (let's say Ahiman (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Ahiman-son-of-Talmai.png) to a hero and would do a RA with it. How would the SA be modified? Ahiman wouldn't be able to band to Sheshai (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Sheshai-son-of-Anak.png) or Talmai (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Talmai-son-of-Anak.png) would he?
Blessings

Heroes don't band to Evil Characters, but if those guys were also converted the band would work.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 09, 2018, 05:14:25 PM
First post updated.  8)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Kevinthedude on April 09, 2018, 05:15:59 PM
First post updated.  8)

Love the box!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Watchman on April 11, 2018, 12:53:55 PM
I'm now posting the Legacy Rares at the beginning of this thread.  More to come!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: TheHobbit13 on April 11, 2018, 01:04:25 PM
Why is Balaam Dabbing lol?




Edit: 5k Klub woop woop
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 11, 2018, 02:08:41 PM
I'm now posting the Legacy Rares at the beginning of this thread.  More to come!

There have been 4 other LR spoiled as well.

http://landofredemption.com/?p=7560 (http://landofredemption.com/?p=7560)

http://landofredemption.com/?p=7617 (http://landofredemption.com/?p=7617)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: VJ on April 11, 2018, 03:25:01 PM
I'm now posting the Legacy Rares at the beginning of this thread.  More to come!

This set is beginning to look better all the time.  I might have to come out of retirement and get a job so that I can buy some cards.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 11, 2018, 03:32:11 PM
I'm now posting the Legacy Rares at the beginning of this thread.  More to come!

This set is beginning to look better all the time.  I might have to come out of retirement and get a job so that I can buy some cards.

That's part of the reason I have a second (part-time) job... ;D
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Watchman on April 11, 2018, 03:55:56 PM
I'm now posting the Legacy Rares at the beginning of this thread.  More to come!

This set is beginning to look better all the time.  I might have to come out of retirement and get a job so that I can buy some cards.

That's part of the reason I have a second (part-time) job... ;D

You sell your body to science?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gil Galad Elven King *Generic on April 11, 2018, 05:28:19 PM
I'm now posting the Legacy Rares at the beginning of this thread.  More to come!

This set is beginning to look better all the time.  I might have to come out of retirement and get a job so that I can buy some cards.

That's part of the reason I have a second (part-time) job... ;D

Shoot, I already have two jobs... and still need another job to buy more cards, lol!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Watchman on April 11, 2018, 05:33:24 PM
I'm now posting the Legacy Rares at the beginning of this thread.  More to come!

This set is beginning to look better all the time.  I might have to come out of retirement and get a job so that I can buy some cards.

That's part of the reason I have a second (part-time) job... ;D

Shoot, I already have two jobs... and still need another job to buy more cards, lol!

That’s because you’re not buying your cards from Your Turn Games! ;)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: adevine on April 11, 2018, 06:43:56 PM
I'm now posting the Legacy Rares at the beginning of this thread.  More to come!

This set is beginning to look better all the time.  I might have to come out of retirement and get a job so that I can buy some cards.

That's part of the reason I have a second (part-time) job... ;D

Shoot, I already have two jobs... and still need another job to buy more cards, lol!

That’s because you’re not buying your cards from Your Turn Games! ;)

 +1
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 12, 2018, 02:00:16 PM
Preview lists have been updated  8)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Xonathan on April 12, 2018, 02:03:53 PM
Only 36 more FoM cards left!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 12, 2018, 02:34:47 PM
Only 36 more FoM cards left!

I think you need to check your math sir...it's 37  ;D
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Xonathan on April 12, 2018, 02:41:59 PM
Only 36 more FoM cards left!

I think you need to check your math sir...it's 37  ;D

Err... umm.. of course... I was just setting you guys up for another spoiler... lol
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 12, 2018, 02:43:44 PM
Can't fool me with your mind tricks...  :kenobi:
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Watchman on April 12, 2018, 02:52:14 PM
Preview lists have been updated  8)

Thanks for the help! Been pretty busy of late.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on April 12, 2018, 05:26:44 PM
We've been hiding little hints about cards all over the forum for months. Some might be obvious now that you've seen so many cards. Other are very subtle. It reminds me of a Bible story where a Hero hid something from his family. If you can guess the story I'll show you a card that delectable with R&D.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: adevine on April 12, 2018, 05:29:44 PM
We've been hiding little hints about cards all over the forum for months. Some might be obvious now that you've seen so many cards. Other are very subtle. It reminds me of a Bible story where a Hero hid something from his family. If you can guess the story I'll show you a card that delectable with R&D.

Are you referring to Joseph? Who hid his identity from his brothers? :)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: adevine on April 12, 2018, 05:31:26 PM
We've been hiding little hints about cards all over the forum for months. Some might be obvious now that you've seen so many cards. Other are very subtle. It reminds me of a Bible story where a Hero hid something from his family. If you can guess the story I'll show you a card that delectable with R&D.

Or where Jacob and Rachel where she hid her Idols from her father Lamech

I could go on and on lol Being a pastor has a perk for this!  ::)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: adevine on April 12, 2018, 06:01:01 PM
We've been hiding little hints about cards all over the forum for months. Some might be obvious now that you've seen so many cards. Other are very subtle. It reminds me of a Bible story where a Hero hid something from his family. If you can guess the story I'll show you a card that delectable with R&D.

Or when Jacob hid his identity from his father Isaac to deceive him to get the blessing.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on April 12, 2018, 06:01:47 PM
I think you're getting off track 😉
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on April 12, 2018, 06:09:56 PM
You named the right Hero but not the thing he hid that this card represents.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: adevine on April 12, 2018, 06:13:33 PM
You named the right Hero but not the thing he hid that this card represents.

He hid his silver cup in Benjamin's bag.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on April 12, 2018, 06:18:51 PM
You named the right Hero but not the thing he hid that this card represents.

He hid his silver cup in Benjamin's bag.
Nailed it!

Spoiler (hover to show)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Kevinthedude on April 12, 2018, 06:21:22 PM
You named the right Hero but not the thing he hid that this card represents.

He hid his silver cup in Benjamin's bag.
Nailed it!

Spoiler (hover to show)

Do I smell a Silver Cup reprint?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on April 12, 2018, 06:25:20 PM
Nope! That card is super underrated. Lock your opponent out of an art for two turns after they burn YWR
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: adevine on April 12, 2018, 06:25:58 PM
You named the right Hero but not the thing he hid that this card represents.

He hid his silver cup in Benjamin's bag.
Nailed it!

Spoiler (hover to show)

Sweet!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Kevinthedude on April 12, 2018, 06:27:27 PM
Nope! That card is super underrated. Lock your opponent out of an art for two turns after they burn YWR

I guess that's neat but artifacts are basically the most competitive card type in game idk if I can see current Silver Cup ever being run when much better artifacts have been driven out of the meta already.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: adevine on April 12, 2018, 06:29:10 PM
Nope! That card is super underrated. Lock your opponent out of an art for two turns after they burn YWR

Yes!!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on April 12, 2018, 06:29:51 PM
Nope! That card is super underrated. Lock your opponent out of an art for two turns after they burn YWR

I guess that's neat but artifacts are basically the most competitive card type in game idk if I can see current Silver Cup ever being run when much better artifacts have been driven out of the meta already.

Do you think it's because it's one of the few cards with a true "cost" in that you can only have one? Or because we don't have sufficient counters to artifacts?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Kevinthedude on April 12, 2018, 06:38:45 PM
Nope! That card is super underrated. Lock your opponent out of an art for two turns after they burn YWR

I guess that's neat but artifacts are basically the most competitive card type in game idk if I can see current Silver Cup ever being run when much better artifacts have been driven out of the meta already.

Do you think it's because it's one of the few cards with a true "cost" in that you can only have one? Or because we don't have sufficient counters to artifacts?

Oh definitely the cost, no question. Artifact removal isn't very relevant because it only forces the opponent to use their second best artifact rather than truly depriving them of a whole card's worth of value. Repeatable artifact negation is the only true artifact counter and that's already covered by one of the best cards in game. If you could activate multiple artifacts for free then the already existing artifact removal in game would rising in value and be run because it would actually deprive your opponent of an entire card's worth of value.

Also another point against Silver Cup, if I wanted to deprive my opponent of their artifact slot using my own artifact slot, I'd rather use an artifact that's infinitely reusable and much more versatile than Cup in the form of Censor or Image.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: adevine on April 12, 2018, 07:06:27 PM
You named the right Hero but not the thing he hid that this card represents.

He hid his silver cup in Benjamin's bag.
Nailed it!

Spoiler (hover to show)

I personally am excited for this. To be able to incorporate some old and new cards
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: TheJaylor on April 12, 2018, 07:14:39 PM
Maybe you should make it say, "a card of different alignment" so it can hit artifacts too. That way you can negate their active artifact and then not let them deactivate it. And it would be balanced because then they just have to deactivate it when they can to get rid of it.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 12, 2018, 07:24:55 PM
I mean it's free Reserve access on a card I'm using anyway if I'm in those brigades... ::)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on April 12, 2018, 07:26:58 PM
Mr. Dude, once again there are a couple omissions from your argument to make it sound good.

The first is that you seem to only view things from an ultra competitive perspective. While I understand that is where you reside and that many of the members here are at least somewhat competitive, the highly competitive player makes up the minority of Redemption players.

The second is that you’ve discounted the advantage of controlling the games tempo. It’s not difficult to build a deck that can afford to spend the artifact spot for a couple turns to ensure an opponent isn’t able to use theirs. Now that JSC can be retrieved from the reserve (not to mention recurred to be used again) its all the more playable. And it accomplished something 3W, Censor and Image do not - it ties up the opponents Artifact for 2 turns instead of 1.

My guess is that it Joseph’s Silver Cup will still be an underrated card that most players don’t take advantage of. But there will be a few clever people who put it to good use.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 12, 2018, 07:33:10 PM
True story: JSC was effectively used in a T2 deck that won the T2 Only many years ago.  8)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: TXJonathan on April 12, 2018, 07:47:36 PM
Could I use Hiding Joseph's Cup to negate Goliath if I put it on him in territory since it's CBP?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Red Wing on April 12, 2018, 08:16:10 PM
Neat, free Uzzah fodder.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: TheJaylor on April 12, 2018, 09:07:35 PM
Could I use Hiding Joseph's Cup to negate Goliath if I put it on him in territory since it's CBN?
You can place it on Goliath if you play it as good but since Goliath is CBN his ability would still work.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: TheHobbit13 on April 12, 2018, 10:14:10 PM
Or we could just make JSC a bit better and use a more liberal interpretation of the card and rule that "artifacts must remain active" is not restricting only deactivation but also something like YWR from removing itself from being an active artifact by it's own ability.  :dunno: I tried...
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Kevinthedude on April 12, 2018, 10:16:32 PM
The first is that you seem to only view things from an ultra competitive perspective.
True story: JSC was effectively used in a T2 deck that won the T2 Only many years ago.  8)

Unless stated otherwise, yes my view point is always from a competitive T1 perspective. I am aware that my opinions are only representative of the minority :laugh:

The second is that you’ve discounted the advantage of controlling the games tempo. It’s not difficult to build a deck that can afford to spend the artifact spot for a couple turns to ensure an opponent isn’t able to use theirs. Now that JSC can be retrieved from the reserve (not to mention recurred to be used again) its all the more playable. And it accomplished something 3W, Censor and Image do not - it ties up the opponents Artifact for 2 turns instead of 1.

My guess is that it Joseph’s Silver Cup will still be an underrated card that most players don’t take advantage of. But there will be a few clever people who put it to good use.

I'm still not sure I see the current printing of Joseph's Silver Cup finding its way into a tournament deck but I will admit I have under valued it at least somewhat. As Red Wing mentioned higher up if nothing else it pays Uzzah's cost without sacrificing an artifact from your deck that you intended to use.

Regardless of my opinions on the Cup itself, the FoM card referencing it I am glad to see. It's the niche cards like these that give us deck builders something to do!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: sepjazzwarrior on April 13, 2018, 10:18:05 AM
Don't forget that you place hiding joes cup on a character, making it targetable with R&D, and many decks will be able to play this on either a hero or ec, giving you flexibility.  that being said I still probably wouldn't play the card
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: kariusvega on April 13, 2018, 10:25:19 AM
Don't forget that you place hiding joes cup on a character, making it targetable with R&D, and many decks will be able to play this on either a hero or ec, giving you flexibility.  that being said I still probably wouldn't play the card

It's also a common. If I had my way every card in every set would be fighting for your card slots in every 50 card deck you play by theme appropriately. With commons, rares, ur etc it's not considered practical to make every card playable in any deck.

It's also pretty cool to see unexpected interactions from cards people immediately consider unplayable or under powered go on to be in deck types everyone thought would lose nationals, but won (see Arrest in Gethsemane 2015/Children of Light 2017). These kinds of creative, unexpected combinations are what make Redemption not only so creatively intriguing but also really fun and exciting
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Kor on April 15, 2018, 09:03:15 AM
Interesting use of negative numbers to print new genesis blue cards without making Benjamin better.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Master Q on April 15, 2018, 10:41:52 AM
Regarding Jo Jo's cup: If the Reserve was, say, 15 cards instead of 10 (oh, if only), I could justify a place for it there if I was inclined to deck Hiding. As of now, Reserve space is so precious I would not be able to bring myself to put it in, knowing if I had the space (often not the case) I could get better value from something like Image or Censer- cards that are so good I would (and have) used both in the main deck.

That being said, Jo Jo's cup is still an underrated card in the right deck (I found it especially nice pre-RoJ Flood Survivors) and will always be playable. Just not necessarily competitive. The place/negate ability to CBP power-down any character is what makes Hiding so potentially great (R&D always loves targets) and what will be considered when it comes time to building (as-in, do I play R&D or not?).

Interesting use of negative numbers to print new genesis blue cards without making Benjamin better.

Isn't it great!? I think so. 8)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on April 15, 2018, 05:26:49 PM
Master Q gets major props for encouraging the set designers to expand the use of negative numbers in the game. If you like the new negative stats, be sure to thank him. If you don’t, well...
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Kevinthedude on April 15, 2018, 06:13:14 PM
Just read the last two articles on LoR, very excited to play those cards, especially the strong multi brigade counters!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 16, 2018, 10:56:37 AM
Cards 92 & 93 have been previewed (Jephthah's Daughter and Lamenting in the Mountains), but I can't find the posts with them...anyone remember?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on April 16, 2018, 11:01:22 AM
Cards 92 & 93 have been previewed (Jephthah's Daughter and Lamenting in the Mountains), but I can't find the posts with them...anyone remember?

Here (http://www.cactusforums.com/ruling-questions/not-in-battle/msg581270/#msg581270)

Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Crashfach2002 on April 16, 2018, 11:43:46 AM
If I have counted correctly only 10 of each (FoM & LR) are left to be spoiled!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gil Galad Elven King *Generic on April 16, 2018, 12:24:23 PM
If I have counted correctly only 10 of each (FoM & LR) are left to be spoiled!

Looks like less than that now...
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Crashfach2002 on April 16, 2018, 12:27:20 PM
If I have counted correctly only 10 of each (FoM & LR) are left to be spoiled!

Looks like less than that now...

Yep!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: h20tor on April 16, 2018, 01:34:11 PM
Leviathan hasn't been spoiled yet has it?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 16, 2018, 01:39:41 PM
Leviathan hasn't been spoiled yet has it?

The fish is lurking...keep any eye out on the forum later today...  8)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Reth on April 17, 2018, 01:52:50 AM
Wow! The fish and the Bronto seem to become a powerful wall!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: YeshuaIsLord on April 17, 2018, 07:29:19 AM
When can we expect to learn about the release date?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on April 17, 2018, 08:16:57 AM
When can we expect to learn about the release date?

An official release date can only be provided when the cards are shipped from the printer. That's expected in May but can vary between early and late May depending on the orders that are in before ours.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: redemption collector 777 on April 17, 2018, 01:13:31 PM
We have Dinah , but where is Issacher??  I really hope Issacher is going to be in the new set.


Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: redemption collector 777 on April 17, 2018, 01:19:42 PM
interesting... only 4 cards left...

I predict number #99 is the ultra rare card...and I believe I know what the ultra rare card is... :)

I think it is a card from the Patriarchs set...
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Bobbert on April 17, 2018, 01:21:42 PM
I do seem to recall a certain title with a link to "nothing to see here" in the flood deck, but methinks that would put it up around 144/5.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on April 17, 2018, 01:36:23 PM
interesting... only 4 cards left...

I predict number #99 is the ultra rare card...and I believe I know what the ultra rare card is... :)

I think it is a card from the Patriarchs set...

It's not card 99, but it is in fact a patriarch reprint
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: redemption collector 777 on April 17, 2018, 01:40:28 PM
interesting... only 4 cards left...

I predict number #99 is the ultra rare card...and I believe I know what the ultra rare card is... :)

I think it is a card from the Patriarchs set...

It's not card 99, but it is in fact a patriarch reprint



okay that makes sense...

so I think now it is either 144 or 145...
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on April 17, 2018, 01:43:53 PM
I do seem to recall a certain title with a link to "nothing to see here" in the flood deck...
IIRC that is the final UR which will be revealed on LoR tomorrow.

interesting... only 4 cards left...

I predict number #99 is the ultra rare card...and I believe I know what the ultra rare card is... :)

I think it is a card from the Patriarchs set...
#99 is not an UR. For most of the testing it was titled "Hewn to Pieces" and started out with an ability that required a rip (like Haman's Plot) for an effect similar to the GE side seen below plus it got CBN. It was slated to be a "double common" to make sure it was readily available. But we've heard from enough people that don't like rip cards so we decided that we will not introduce another to the game now. With the change in the special ability the old name didn't really make sense. Similar to Divide and Unify in PC, the title that was chosen made more sense if the order of the icons is reversed.

Spoiler (hover to show)

This is also probably a good time to announce that we've decided to split the icons for all DAE as seen in the spoiler above. No more 2 icons smashed together!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Bobbert on April 17, 2018, 01:50:59 PM
IIRC that is the final UR which will be revealed on LoR tomorrow.
Sweet. Looking forward to it!

This is also probably a good time to announce that we've decided to split the icons for all DAE as seen in the spoiler above. No more 2 icons smashed together!

Will this apply to other already revealed cards as well, or only certain ones with different numbers on each side? Will cards like Lost Anointing and Forbidden Fruit have two boxes?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: NathanW on April 17, 2018, 01:51:36 PM
This is also probably a good time to announce that we've decided to split the icons for all DAE as seen in the spoiler above. No more 2 icons smashed together!
:amen:

(https://cdn.oem.com.mx/elsoldesinaloa/5370107.gif)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on April 17, 2018, 01:53:23 PM
Will this apply to other already revealed cards as well, or only certain ones with different numbers on each side? Will cards like Lost Anointing and Forbidden Fruit have two boxes?

All DAEs are being updated. Even ones that have already been revealed.

While we've tried to only preview cards we felt were in the final form, the very nature of previewing cards towards the end of play testing means that several have changed since the initial reveal. Most of the time the changes are minor and have little to no bearing on the actual game play. Some are more drastic changes. After everything is final and passed on to the printer we will provide a list of all the changes as well as the final card images.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: YeshuaIsLord on April 17, 2018, 04:50:06 PM
Hey Gabe could we have the GE on the left and the EE on the right side - please ^^'?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 17, 2018, 04:51:50 PM
Hey Gabe could we have the GE on the left and the EE on the right side - please ^^'?

Quote
Similar to Divide and Unify in PC, the title that was chosen made more sense if the order of the icons is reversed.

It's not something we plan to do very often, but the title makes much more sense if the Evil Brown (Sin) is on the left and the Good White (Justice) is on the right.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Reth on April 17, 2018, 04:55:48 PM
And how ability texts will be dealt with?

In RoJ with DAEs the bible icon + ability text always came first and the skull ones came second. Will this now also be "mixed"?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 17, 2018, 04:56:52 PM
And how ability texts will be dealt with?

In RoJ with DAEs the bible icon + ability text always came first and the skull ones came second. Will this now also be "mixed"?

It will match how the enhancement is done (left to right, top to bottom).

Again, this is not something we're going to mix very often--only when it fits the title (Divide & Unify, Sin & Justice).
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: YeshuaIsLord on April 17, 2018, 05:24:23 PM
Can somebody explain to my why Balaam (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/LR-Balaam.png) can't use his own disobedience (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/LR-Balaams-Disobedience.png). That's really strange if you ask me.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: NathanW on April 17, 2018, 05:29:11 PM
Can somebody explain to my why Balaam (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/LR-Balaam.png) can't use his own disobedience (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/LR-Balaams-Disobedience.png). That's really strange if you ask me.

He says "may use gray Enhancements" in his ability.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: YeshuaIsLord on April 17, 2018, 05:37:24 PM
Can somebody explain to my why Balaam (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/LR-Balaam.png) can't use his own disobedience (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/LR-Balaams-Disobedience.png). That's really strange if you ask me.

He says "may use gray Enhancements" in his ability.
Ooops ha ha sry. I totally missed that.

Another thing: Why is Leviathan called "The" Leviathan and Behemoth, Behemoth and not "The" Behemoth? Could someone fix that?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 17, 2018, 05:42:19 PM
There is nothing to fix. The Leviathan is a player created card and the creator wanted to have "The Leviathan" as the card title.

Behemoth was made last year, and it was not deemed necessary to add "The" to his name.

As a note--I don't think you intended it this way, but it can be seen as rude to simply bring something up and say "this is wrong, someone fix it."

Instead, consider saying something like, "Was this intentional or was it meant to do/be something else?" We definitely want people to offer feedback and suggestions (that is a large part of why we preview cards before they are released), but simply assuming something is wrong or messed up is not the right way to go about it.

As an example, here is something kevinthedude mentioned in the thread about Leviathan:

Love the art!

Edit: This triggers even when opponent's Job characters block doesn't it? Is this intended?

He noticed something about the ability that seemed like it might not be right, and he brought it up as a question. As it turns out, he was correct and that was an oversight that has since been corrected.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Watchman on April 17, 2018, 07:28:25 PM
Has a Leviathan with the new wording reflecting the above ability change been released yet? I’d like to update the image link if so.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: YeshuaIsLord on April 17, 2018, 08:15:27 PM
As a note--I don't think you intended it this way, but it can be seen as rude to simply bring something up and say "this is wrong, someone fix it."
Not intended. Thx it just seemed to be discrepant. Is that the right word?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: kariusvega on April 18, 2018, 07:37:46 AM
What a fun looking set! Looks like this set will benefit a lot of brigades and themes! :-) Can't wait for the pre order to ship! ;D
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: adevine on April 18, 2018, 07:39:10 AM
What a fun looking set! Looks like this set will benefit a lot of brigades and themes! :-) Can't wait for the pre order to ship! ;D

Yeah, me too!! Thinking of preordering a second set myself.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: kariusvega on April 18, 2018, 08:22:27 AM
What a fun looking set! Looks like this set will benefit a lot of brigades and themes! :-) Can't wait for the pre order to ship! ;D

Yeah, me too!! Thinking of preordering a second set myself.
Same here! Haha must resist!! I gotta save room in my binders for all of the booster draft I'll be doing!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: YeshuaIsLord on April 18, 2018, 03:11:34 PM
Does the person on "The Wages of Sin" carry a Easter egg or what is the egg-like shaped thing on the left side??
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: redemption collector 777 on April 18, 2018, 03:36:54 PM
Does anyone know what the other Rares are in the set??  I only see 17 to 18 cards marked as Rare.

I am sure there are a lot more cards that are Rare in this set...
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: TheHobbit13 on April 18, 2018, 03:39:21 PM
Does the person on "The Wages of Sin" carry a Easter egg or what is the egg-like shaped thing on the left side??

I saw that too! Weird... not only are the wages of sin death but apparently cavities also. Who knew?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 18, 2018, 03:41:17 PM
Does the person on "The Wages of Sin" carry a Easter egg or what is the egg-like shaped thing on the left side??

It comes full circle, does it not?  ;)

Spoiler (hover to show)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Crashfach2002 on April 18, 2018, 03:43:56 PM
Does anyone know what the other Rares are in the set??  I only see 17 to 18 cards marked as Rare.

I am sure there are a lot more cards that are Rare in this set...

They said they were in the process of updating cards, like the dual-alignment ones.  So I'm sure they spoiled a bunch of cards before rarities were fully decided.  With all the cards spoiled, I'm sure it is just now a matter of them updating all the cards, and then we will know for sure which ones are the rares.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on April 18, 2018, 03:57:24 PM
Here are some things you can expect in relation to The Fall of Man...

A post today giving more details about the minor overhaul we've done to dual alignment cards along with a link to a document containing all of those overhauled cards in one easy to view format. We want your eyes on them to help ensure we didn't overlook anything before sending them to print.

A post sometime next week revealing all card images in their final form once they are sent to the printer.

A list of all 36 rare an 3 UR cards:

Spoiler (hover to show)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: YeshuaIsLord on April 18, 2018, 04:15:01 PM
Has a final decision on the FoM booster card mix already been made? If you could share it that would be appreciated! I would like to know what to expect ^^'
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 18, 2018, 04:19:03 PM
Has a final decision on the FoM booster card mix already been made? If you could share it that would be appreciated! I would like to know what to expect ^^'

We have a pretty good idea, but just waiting on final confirmation from Rob, so we should be able to announce that soon.  8)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Kevinthedude on April 18, 2018, 08:33:18 PM
Was it ever definitively announced whether a Legacy Rare in a pack will replace a common or a normal rare?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Xonathan on April 18, 2018, 08:55:21 PM
Was it ever definitively announced whether a Legacy Rare in a pack will replace a common or a normal rare?

I believe they said it’ll replace a rare
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: redemption collector 777 on April 18, 2018, 09:08:08 PM
Was it ever definitively announced whether a Legacy Rare in a pack will replace a common or a normal rare?

I believe they said it’ll replace a rare


I was hoping the legacy rare will not replace any regular rare or Ultra Rare cards in the Fall of man set......    :( :(

Hope it will replace a common card or any other card in the pack instead.


The legacy rares have nice art , but at the end of the day the special ability is still the same.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: redemption collector 777 on April 18, 2018, 09:34:02 PM
What are the other Rares in the Fall of man set?? I only see 17 or 18 cards marked as Rares but I am sure there are more Rares in the set.

Does anyone know what are all the Rares in the Fall of man set (besides the legacy Rares)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: NathanW on April 18, 2018, 09:34:50 PM
What are the other Rares in the Fall of man set?? I only see 17 or 18 cards marked as Rares but I am sure there are more Rares in the set.

Does anyone know what are all the Rares in the Fall of man set (besides the legacy Rares)

Here are some things you can expect in relation to The Fall of Man...

A post today giving more details about the minor overhaul we've done to dual alignment cards along with a link to a document containing all of those overhauled cards in one easy to view format. We want your eyes on them to help ensure we didn't overlook anything before sending them to print.

A post sometime next week revealing all card images in their final form once they are sent to the printer.

A list of all 36 rare an 3 UR cards:

Spoiler (hover to show)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: adevine on April 18, 2018, 09:58:43 PM
Well I am going to have to order atleast three boxes if I decide to go with a second set...if I hope to even come close to getting a full set.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Kor on April 20, 2018, 08:07:54 AM
Looking at 'The Fallen King', is it necessary for him to have the 'Royalty' identifier?  As he already has the choice of King of Israel or Judah in his identifier?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on April 20, 2018, 08:32:39 AM
Looking at 'The Fallen King', is it necessary for him to have the 'Royalty' identifier?  As he already has the choice of King of Israel or Judah in his identifier?

You are correct that is redundant and was removed when someone else pointed it out (not on the forum).
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: YeshuaIsLord on April 20, 2018, 10:56:13 AM
What do we have to do to get more of the LR's spoiled :)?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Xonathan on April 20, 2018, 11:22:23 AM
What do we have to do to get more of the LR's spoiled :)?

Share your favorite things from the set, post deck ideas and combos you want to try, and encourage positive discussion about this awesome new set coming out. It may not work but it’ll make the guys who work real hard on this set feel appreciated and encouraged about their labors and commitment.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on April 20, 2018, 12:56:24 PM
What do we have to do to get more of the LR's spoiled :)?

Share your favorite things from the set, post deck ideas and combos you want to try, and encourage positive discussion about this awesome new set coming out. It may not work but it’ll make the guys who work real hard on this set feel appreciated and encouraged about their labors and commitment.

This is accurate. We're planning on saving a few of the LRs as surprises for when you guys are able to start opening packs, as these are all reprints and don't affect the meta. There's still a few that we're just waiting for the right moment to reveal
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Jeremystair on April 20, 2018, 02:55:44 PM
Please tell me you made destruction of nehushtan a legacy rare?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on April 20, 2018, 03:02:50 PM
Sorry, will confirm, Destruction is on the list of potential future legacy, but wasn't selected this year. Dominants were avoided in general for the first year. Not many Lost Souls either
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on April 20, 2018, 03:11:04 PM
Sorry, will confirm, Destruction is on the list of potential future legacy, but wasn't selected this year. Dominants were avoided in general for the first year. Not many Lost Souls either

 :scratch:

I thought Dominants and Lost Souls made up 22% of the LRs this year.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on April 20, 2018, 03:11:35 PM
I'm bad at math's, I'm sure you're right
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Bobbert on April 20, 2018, 03:15:33 PM
Hmm... 3ish, then, right?

I recall some talk around Exchanger, I wonder if that's one...

EDIT: Probably Burial too - it's not overly powerful (especially now that Liner is gone), but it's still a block in t2 and it wasn't in I/J, so we still don't have one in the new face.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 20, 2018, 03:22:12 PM
I'm bad at math's, I'm sure you're right

Like the time you used a deck without a card that achieved 20% of the win condition?  ::)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: goalieking87 on April 21, 2018, 08:03:36 AM
I'm bad at math's, I'm sure you're right

Like the time you used a deck without a card that achieved 20% of the win condition?  ::)

Son of God Legacy Rare?  That’s cool...
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: goalieking87 on April 21, 2018, 08:05:20 AM
For real though...With all of the idols in this set, I’m calling Asherah Pole as a LR.

Spoiled?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: sepjazzwarrior on April 21, 2018, 08:49:18 AM
My vote is for household idols, it's good how it is and it's wording could use a reprint
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: CactusRob on April 21, 2018, 09:22:56 AM
Has a final decision on the FoM booster card mix already been made? If you could share it that would be appreciated! I would like to know what to expect ^^'

The Fall of Man set is 147 cards plus 18 Legacy Rare cards
3 Ultra Rare
36 Rare
108 commons
18 Legacy Rare


Each card pack will contain
4 commons
1 rare or legacy rare or ultra rare

The approximate card mix for remaining 10 cards will be
1 Thesaurus
2 Disciples
3 or 4 Patriarchs
3 or 4 Kings

Each Display box will contain one ultra rare in one of the 24 card packs. New packaging is in production. I don't know that it will be here for the initial release which means we will sticker old TeP boxes until new packaging arrives.

This set has been extra hard to develop and finish.  There have been disagreements and I have personally reversed my decisions on at least three issues.  I have considered an issue settled and then Our Lord has shown me it is not settled. I want the fans here to know that I listen, consider, pray and then make a call, consider more, pray more, ... lather, rinse, repeat.  The elders have soldiered through.  By God's grace, we are almost finished. 

We may be able to send cards to the printer these week.  That means we are at least five weeks out from being able to fill orders.

Your prayers for us as we finish the project are most welcome. 
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: jesse on April 21, 2018, 10:12:24 AM
Thank you for the information, Rob. We are grateful for your and the elders' work on the exciting new set!

I have a question - are the legacy rares part of the 147 total FoM cards? in your breakdown you listed the 18 legacy rares as part of the total, but they've been presented as separate/extra, as there were 147 FoM cards previewed without including them.

Thanks again!!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 21, 2018, 10:23:22 AM
I believe that was a typo, there are 108 commons as the Legacy Rares are not a part of the 147 card set.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: adevine on April 21, 2018, 10:26:19 AM
I believe that was a typo, there are 108 commons as the Legacy Rares are not a part of the 147 card set.

Thanks for the clarification there. :) 
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: CactusRob on April 21, 2018, 12:56:06 PM
I believe that was a typo, there are 108 commons as the Legacy Rares are not a part of the 147 card set.

Fixed.  Thank you.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: adevine on April 21, 2018, 02:03:30 PM
More patriarchs and king extras.... :o. Not that we dont have enough of those.  ;D
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: adevine on April 21, 2018, 02:53:22 PM
One other thought....the mayhem (if in a pack) will it be the old or updated version? 
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: YeshuaIsLord on April 21, 2018, 05:10:25 PM
Thanks Rob!
Great work!

The approximate card mix for remaining 10 cards will be
1 Thesaurus
2 Disciples
3 or 4 Patriarchs
3 or 4 Kings
Have you already decided on the rarities of those?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: YeshuaIsLord on April 21, 2018, 06:50:25 PM
Share your favorite things from the set, post deck ideas and combos you want to try, and encourage positive discussion about this awesome new set coming out. It may not work but it’ll make the guys who work real hard on this set feel appreciated and encouraged about their labors and commitment.

I love the idea that the new set(s) focus on glorifying Christ and in order to do that teach  us more about the FoM. I think when talking about the FoM Babel is relevant and the account of Genesis 6, the Sons of God and the Nephilim. Maybe there will be a way to implement some of that without causing havoc in the community in the future? I hope so! Even though there were some difficulties, misunderstandings and harsh words in the discussion about the Nephilim I think it was awesome the issue got some attention and I think it's amazing that people are doing research on this. Even though that probably wasn't intended that's also an achievement of the card designers. I'm thankful for that.
I really appreciate the idea of LR's which is a really smart move! I like the most that it's a way to reprint errata'ed cards and will help newcomers get some value cards for trading! I would especially like to see Doms and LSs as LR‘s
I think it's awesome that a diverse variety of brigades, concepts and themes get an upgrade (like Mill, Ruth, giants, zoo – which I want to build decks with). Pushing cards from old releases is a pretty interesting move as well.
David Hasselhoff-Adam is just funny :'D. In general there are a lot of beautiful card arts!
We have interesting new doms and ways of restricting their use a lot of very versatile new cards and strong LSs – what more could you want?
Increased Reserve access, the ability to target it negatively and all of the "regardless of protection" stuff will probably have a huge impact. I am somewhat fearful of that though.
After thinking about it more I think splitting the DA cards icon boxes I think it is a wise and a very good decision even though I object the replacement of the curse icon.
From a design standpoint I enjoy cards that reflect what happend in the bible the most! That’s why I like Raining Fire, Harbringers, Unified Language, Tree of Knowledge and Hailstones. I like how Pillar of Salt has 3/-1 since 3 „good“ characters are left but one is lost (-1). Dunno if that was intentional?
The cards I am most looking forward to add them to my deck(s) are  Flaming Sword, Hailstones and The Leviathan. It’s just sad that no Angel will benefit from the whole Hailstones effect since the only Joshua Angels is Captain which negates this card. Another thing that was disappointing to me is the SA of The Lying Spirit. Maybe I just don’t get how strong it is yet but I feel like it is under-powered and a poor use of a bible story that’s just ultra interesting to me!
I think Eye for an Eye, Pursued and Destroyed and Treachery will be pretty strong too.
Hopefully that helped, was constructive and encouraging?
Blessings :)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on April 21, 2018, 08:03:31 PM
Thank you for your encouraging words!

From a design standpoint I enjoy cards that reflect what happend in the bible the most! That’s why I like Raining Fire, Harbringers, Unified Language, Tree of Knowledge and Hailstones. I like how Pillar of Salt has 3/-1 since 3 „good“ characters are left but one is lost (-1). Dunno if that was intentional?

We like to add thematic elements all over the cards. Sometimes it's in the numbers like what you discovered on Pillar of Salt. Usually the special abilities carry a strong thematic element. Many, but not all of the new alternate style borders contain thematic elements. Thanks for noticing! I hope you enjoy finding many more like this one!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: goalieking87 on April 22, 2018, 12:00:27 AM
Speaking of themes, I’m wondering if any of the Legacy Rares is Joseph in Prison? Seems like it could make the cut...
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Reth on April 23, 2018, 11:01:56 AM
The Fall of Man set is 147 cards plus 18 Legacy Rare cards
3 Ultra Rare
36 Rare
108 commons
18 Legacy Rare


Each card pack will contain
4 commons
1 rare or legacy rare or ultra rare

The approximate card mix for remaining 10 cards will be
1 Thesaurus
2 Disciples
3 or 4 Patriarchs
3 or 4 Kings

Each Display box will contain one ultra rare in one of the 24 card packs. New packaging is in production. I don't know that it will be here for the initial release which means we will sticker old TeP boxes until new packaging arrives.

Really great! Thank you!

@Thread:
One general question: Are all Rares and URs are already known but maybe not yet fully updated in the OP posts? Or are not all rarities known yet?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 23, 2018, 11:05:45 AM
The list is not completely updated in terms of having all the rare cards marked as some of the cards were previewed before rarities were finalized. I will try to do that sometime today.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: NathanW on April 23, 2018, 11:46:56 AM
There will be an article coming out on LoR as soon as the images are finalized showing both the previously previewed images compared to the finalized images.

EDIT: And in addition to the article, all images will be uploaded to the LoR imgur account shortly after they are finalized.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: kariusvega on April 23, 2018, 11:49:36 AM
There will be an article coming out on LoR as soon as the images are finalized showing both the previously previewed images compared to the finalized images.

EDIT: And in addition to the article, all images will be uploaded to the LoR imgur account shortly after they are finalized.

Will this have final wording on all cards from FoM? Thanks
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: NathanW on April 23, 2018, 11:57:46 AM
There will be an article coming out on LoR as soon as the images are finalized showing both the previously previewed images compared to the finalized images.

EDIT: And in addition to the article, all images will be uploaded to the LoR imgur account shortly after they are finalized.

Will this have final wording on all cards from FoM? Thanks

We may be able to send cards to the printer these week.  That means we are at least five weeks out from being able to fill orders.

I'm just waiting for whenever this happens and then I'll upload the images to imgur and the LoR article will be made showing previewed and final images side-by-side. (so yes when that happens all of the wording should be final as far as I'm aware)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Josh on April 23, 2018, 12:03:06 PM
More patriarchs and king extras.... :o. Not that we dont have enough of those.  ;D

Patriarchs and Kings are great for Booster Draft though.  FoM is going to be fantastic for booster draft, with 5 new cards, plus a TxP and 2 Disciples.  Get hyped   ;)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 23, 2018, 02:04:28 PM
Rarities have been updated on the lists.  8)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Reth on April 23, 2018, 02:36:10 PM
The list is not completely updated in terms of having all the rare cards marked as some of the cards were previewed before rarities were finalized. I will try to do that sometime today.
This was meant by my question.


Rarities have been updated on the lists.  8)
Thank you very much!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 23, 2018, 03:09:43 PM
7 Legacy Rares have yet to be revealed...#s 4, 6, 8, 15, 16, 17, 18.  8)

I've seen guesses for:

Asherah Pole
Household Idols
Burial
Exchanger Lost Soul
Son of God
Lurking
Joseph in Prison

I'm not at liberty to share specifics yet, but I will confirm one or more of these is indeed correct.  ;D
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Kevinthedude on April 23, 2018, 03:11:39 PM
7 Legacy Rares have yet to be revealed...#s 4, 6, 8, 15, 16, 17, 18.  8)

I've seen guesses for:

Asherah Pole
Household Idols
Burial
Exchanger Lost Soul
Son of God
Lurking
Joseph in Prison

I'm not at liberty to share specifics yet, but I will confirm one or more of these is indeed correct.  ;D

I know it isn't going to happen but I just realized the card I never knew I needed is a LR of the Greek SoG.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 23, 2018, 03:17:55 PM
 :o

I never realized it either, but oh man that would be sweet... :prayer:
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: bluefrog1288 on April 23, 2018, 03:39:47 PM
Quick question.  I scanned the whole thread to see if it's been answered, but I couldn't find anything.

Lamech, the Avenged
"Discard abilities on evil cards are regardless of protect abilities. May band to an antediluvian female. Cannot be negated."

http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Lamech.png (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Lamech.png)

I do not understand the ability.  Thanks!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 23, 2018, 03:42:31 PM
Basically if Lamech is active, you can use evil cards to discard cards even if they are protected by something (whether it's themselves such as Job promo or another card such as Angel under the Oak protecting Gideon).
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: NathanW on April 23, 2018, 03:45:09 PM
Quick question.  I scanned the whole thread to see if it's been answered, but I couldn't find anything.

Lamech, the Avenged
"Discard abilities on evil cards are regardless of protect abilities. May band to an antediluvian female. Cannot be negated."

http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Lamech.png (http://landofredemption.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Lamech.png)

I do not understand the ability.  Thanks!
It means discard abilities on evil cards are regardless of protection.
for example, if Lamech bands to lots wife and you play Wrath of Satan it would discard all heroes in play regardless of protection.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: goalieking87 on April 23, 2018, 03:48:28 PM
Why was the wording chosen to be “regardless of protect abilities” vs the standard “regardless of protection” which is shorter anyway?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 23, 2018, 03:51:57 PM
That's a question for our wordsmiths, but I believe we actually want "regardless of protect abilities" to be the standard now so it is clearer (since "protection" is not a defined keyword).
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: RedemptionAggie on April 23, 2018, 04:39:06 PM
That's a question for our wordsmiths, but I believe we actually want "regardless of protect abilities" to be the standard now so it is clearer (since "protection" is not a defined keyword).
Correct. It ties the phrase more clearly to the keyword, and it gives us consistency in how we refer to different types of abilities. We don't say "negate protection", but "negate protect abilities".
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: bluefrog1288 on April 23, 2018, 11:47:17 PM
Ahhh! Got it. It’s adding, “Regardless of protect abilities,” to a discard ability.  Thanks!!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Xonathan on April 24, 2018, 07:08:12 AM
Speaking of regardless of protect abilities... Can R&D hit the ark now based off the LoR article?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: kariusvega on April 24, 2018, 07:36:53 AM
Speaking of regardless of protect abilities... Can R&D hit the ark now based off the LoR article?

Yes
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: goalieking87 on April 24, 2018, 11:41:11 AM
Any chance there are other options for art on Pit of Dothan?

I feel a little bit nit-picky bringing it up, so won’t be offended if no change is made, but scriptures dictate that Joseph is 17 at the time and he looks like he is 10 at max in the picture.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Ironisaac on April 24, 2018, 11:51:15 AM
I still like this art, maybe it could be reused?

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Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 24, 2018, 11:57:24 AM
I dunno about you, but I can think of a few people I went to high school with who looked like they were still 10... ;D
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Crashfach2002 on April 24, 2018, 12:12:17 PM
I dunno about you, but I can think of a few people I went to high school with who looked like they were still 10... ;D

I see "kids" driving all the time, and think to myself: "Is that kid even in middle school?  How in the world are they able to drive?"  In case your state does something different:  You can drive at 16 and middle school starts about 11-12 yrs old.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: adevine on April 24, 2018, 12:16:36 PM
I dunno about you, but I can think of a few people I went to high school with who looked like they were still 10... ;D

I see "kids" driving all the time, and think to myself: "Is that kid even in middle school?  How in the world are they able to drive?"  In case your state does something different:  You can drive at 16 and middle school starts about 11-12 yrs old.

Im 36, with a 20 yr old face lol.  And 4 kids.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Crashfach2002 on April 24, 2018, 12:18:02 PM
I dunno about you, but I can think of a few people I went to high school with who looked like they were still 10... ;D

I see "kids" driving all the time, and think to myself: "Is that kid even in middle school?  How in the world are they able to drive?"  In case your state does something different:  You can drive at 16 and middle school starts about 11-12 yrs old.

Im 36, with a 20 yr old face lol.  And 4 kids.

Tis true!  You did look like a high-schooler when we worked together!   :P
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 24, 2018, 12:53:16 PM
When I shave, I'm pretty sure I could pass for a high school student...and I'm 32.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: redemption collector 777 on April 24, 2018, 02:04:43 PM
Got a question:

Overtaken SA as curse: your evil humans "Cannot be negated"


Would Coliseum toss overtaken if it was played as evil enhancement during battle??
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Xonathan on April 24, 2018, 02:50:02 PM
Got a question:

Overtaken SA as curse: your evil humans "Cannot be negated"


Would Coliseum toss overtaken if it was played as evil enhancement during battle??

Yes
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: YeshuaIsLord on April 24, 2018, 07:32:07 PM
Question concerning Pursued and Destroyed (EE: Underdeck a card with "negated" in the special ability. / Curse: If a Hero with "negated" in the special ability enters battle, your evil humans cannot be negated.)
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Shouldn't it say "in the modifier", since "cannot be negated" is a modifier and not a SA? Am I missing something?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Ironisaac on April 24, 2018, 07:35:37 PM
Question concerning Pursued and Destroyed (EE: Underdeck a card with "negated" in the special ability. / Curse: If a Hero with "negated" in the special ability enters battle, your evil humans cannot be negated.)
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Shouldn't it say "in the modifier", since "cannot be negated" is a modifier and not a SA? Am I missing something?

A modifier is in the special ability. 
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: RedemptionAggie on April 24, 2018, 08:45:21 PM
Got a question:

Overtaken SA as curse: your evil humans "Cannot be negated"


Would Coliseum toss overtaken if it was played as evil enhancement during battle??

I think it's not tossed, because its not in the active identity. But I'd need another elder to confirm.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on April 24, 2018, 08:46:48 PM
That was my initial thought as well, but wasn't certain enough to answer definitively.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: kariusvega on April 24, 2018, 08:59:23 PM
Question concerning Pursued and Destroyed (EE: Underdeck a card with "negated" in the special ability. / Curse: If a Hero with "negated" in the special ability enters battle, your evil humans cannot be negated.)
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Shouldn't it say "in the modifier", since "cannot be negated" is a modifier and not a SA? Am I missing something?

my question is since now it has an enhancement side and a curse side.. is the curse side's special ability checked when it's played in battle as an enhancement?

and also, can the curse side of the special ability be activated in battle as an enhancement?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on April 24, 2018, 11:15:18 PM
With the advancements in split card types I think we could almost treat the ones with 2 icon SAs as two distinct cards where you choose which one to play.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: redemption collector 777 on April 25, 2018, 01:42:06 AM
Looked at the final card prints and have some suggestions:



Rubble and Dust SA:

that has contents , or has a card placed on , equipped to , or activated on it


1.  I don't see any point of putting the word "or" in the red highlighted part above in the special ability. All the commas along with the last "or" word seems to still represent the same thing.



2.

The Fall of Man
Convert a male and a female hero to brown this turn

Forbidden Fruit
Convert all Heroes in battle to pale green this turn



Thinking these abilities should say " Convert a male and a female human hero to brown this turn"

and Convert all human Heroes in battle to pale green this turn.


Cards like leading others astray (crimson)  say "convert a human hero" along with some other cards.



I do know that the R.E.G says non-humans can not be targeted for convert abilities unless it says it can , but it would be nice if the those abilities put the word"human" in it so players do not have to remember that R.E.G rule as much.


Anyone think these changes are necessary??

Thoughts??
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: RedemptionAggie on April 25, 2018, 02:53:04 AM
The first "or" on R&D allows us to shorten the set of non-contents. If you remove it, the last 3 entries probably need to be "a card [placed on/equipped to/activated on] it".
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: YeshuaIsLord on April 25, 2018, 06:06:06 AM
The Fall of Man
Convert a male and a female hero to brown this turn
Forbidden Fruit
Convert all Heroes in battle to pale green this turn

Thinking these abilities should say " Convert a male and a female human hero to brown this turn"
and Convert all human Heroes in battle to pale green this turn.

Cards like leading others astray (crimson)  say "convert a human hero" along with some other cards.
I do know that the R.E.G says non-humans can not be targeted for convert abilities unless it says it can , but it would be nice if the those abilities put the word"human" in it so players do not have to remember that R.E.G rule as much.

Anyone think these changes are necessary??
Thoughts??
Makes sense to me
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: redemption collector 777 on April 25, 2018, 03:26:07 PM
The first "or" on R&D allows us to shorten the set of non-contents. If you remove it, the last 3 entries probably need to be "a card [placed on/equipped to/activated on] it".


What do you think about changing the convert abilities to include the word "human" in it??
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on April 25, 2018, 05:07:27 PM
The first "or" on R&D allows us to shorten the set of non-contents. If you remove it, the last 3 entries probably need to be "a card [placed on/equipped to/activated on] it".


What do you think about changing the convert abilities to include the word "human" in it??

The definition of convert covers this (it's been that way for years). Human is not necessary but has been used in the past for clarification.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: RedemptionAggie on April 25, 2018, 05:18:59 PM
The first "or" on R&D allows us to shorten the set of non-contents. If you remove it, the last 3 entries probably need to be "a card [placed on/equipped to/activated on] it".


What do you think about changing the convert abilities to include the word "human" in it??

If the card is printed with "human", it can only ever target humans, even if that default for convert gets changed or removed. I think it's more probable that future converts are worded like Falling Away (CoW), with a convert for humans and something else (underdeck or withdraw, probably) for non-humans, but there's a slim chance the default could change.


Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: redemption collector 777 on April 25, 2018, 06:08:15 PM
The first "or" on R&D allows us to shorten the set of non-contents. If you remove it, the last 3 entries probably need to be "a card [placed on/equipped to/activated on] it".


What do you think about changing the convert abilities to include the word "human" in it??

If the card is printed with "human", it can only ever target humans, even if that default for convert gets changed or removed. I think it's more probable that future converts are worded like Falling Away (CoW), with a convert for humans and something else (underdeck or withdraw, probably) for non-humans, but there's a slim chance the default could change.


Okay I see. Makes sense to me.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Watchman on April 29, 2018, 01:55:37 PM
Why is Forbidden Fruit also considered a good enhancement?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Kor on April 29, 2018, 03:15:47 PM
Why is Forbidden Fruit also considered a good enhancement?

Because it’s the fruit of knowledge of good and evil?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Watchman on April 29, 2018, 04:05:14 PM
Why is Forbidden Fruit also considered a good enhancement?

Because it’s the fruit of knowledge of good and evil?

Right; good point. I forgot about the “good” part of that. I was only thinking of “Forbidden” Fruit and the fact that when they eat it they “will surely die.”
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: kariusvega on May 03, 2018, 08:56:18 AM
My appreciation for this set is growing steadily.. Can't wait for it to ship and to play!
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: thecoolguy on May 03, 2018, 10:15:28 AM
I am loving the new LR what do you guys think is the last 2? :o
I think that it is
- Uriah , The hittite or Jeil
- Dungeon om Malichiah
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on May 03, 2018, 10:16:27 AM
They were just correctly guessed and revealed a few moments ago...they have been added to the first post!  8)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: thecoolguy on May 03, 2018, 10:19:40 AM
Oops well there goes that  ::)
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: EmJayBee83 on May 08, 2018, 02:07:55 PM
Redirect isn't negate and sometimes will do things you don't want it to, which is when you have to argue about it lol. It's a higher risk/reward option than a negate.
It is also completely shut down by Ram's Horn, which adds to the risk.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Ironisaac on May 08, 2018, 02:40:58 PM
Redirect isn't negate and sometimes will do things you don't want it to, which is when you have to argue about it lol. It's a higher risk/reward option than a negate.
It is also completely shut down by Ram's Horn, which adds to the risk.

I'd love it if that made a comeback lol.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on May 08, 2018, 02:46:14 PM
Redirect isn't negate and sometimes will do things you don't want it to, which is when you have to argue about it lol. It's a higher risk/reward option than a negate.
It is also completely shut down by Ram's Horn, which adds to the risk.

I'd love it if that made a comeback lol.

Can it really be called a "comeback" if it was never used in the first place?  ::)

For reference, because I imagine some people have no idea what we're talking about...

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Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: goalieking87 on May 08, 2018, 03:14:56 PM
Redirect isn't negate and sometimes will do things you don't want it to, which is when you have to argue about it lol. It's a higher risk/reward option than a negate.
It is also completely shut down by Ram's Horn, which adds to the risk.

I'd love it if that made a comeback lol.

Can it really be called a "comeback" if it was never used in the first place?  ::)

For reference, because I imagine some people have no idea what we're talking about...

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Ooh, with the changes to artifact piles, would this ability remain active the entire game after deactivating it as long as the card is still in play?
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on May 08, 2018, 03:18:57 PM
No--it's essentially a modifier that says "Enhancements used by holder cannot be redirected" which is basically the same concept as Asherah Pole.
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: adevine on May 08, 2018, 03:28:57 PM
Redirect isn't negate and sometimes will do things you don't want it to, which is when you have to argue about it lol. It's a higher risk/reward option than a negate.
It is also completely shut down by Ram's Horn, which adds to the risk.

I'd love it if that made a comeback lol.

Can it really be called a "comeback" if it was never used in the first place?  ::)

For reference, because I imagine some people have no idea what we're talking about...

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Ooh, with the changes to artifact piles, would this ability remain active the entire game after deactivating it as long as the card is still in play?

What changes?????
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Gabe on May 08, 2018, 03:30:14 PM
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Ooh, with the changes to artifact piles, would this ability remain active the entire game after deactivating it as long as the card is still in play?
What changes?????

There are no recent changes. A long time ago the face down artifacts were considered "out of play".
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: kariusvega on May 09, 2018, 09:23:59 PM
Just wondering why the 6/ soul is 6/ or less..

Shouldn't it be "6/ or more"? How is a weak guy going to carry him? lol

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Just wondering the logic here
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: Sunglasses on May 09, 2018, 10:21:20 PM
Because they have initiative and can move faster :D
Title: Re: The Fall of Man - Cards and Info
Post by: The Guardian on May 09, 2018, 10:22:41 PM
The idea was to have a card the complemented that */4 or greater LS.

It's certainly not going to be a top tier LS, but it could be fun to try a "restricted souls" strategy with this, female only, */4, NT Only, OT Only, etc.
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