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Best/Versatile/General recursion possibilities for green GEs?
« on: February 09, 2019, 05:48:35 AM »
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Hi again,

currently I am locking for said possibilities which fit in decks like prophets or others and will not take extra space in deck.

Besides some which only work for Star cards (The Coming Prince, Malachi (PoC)) resp. cloud cards (Faith (CoW)) I could not find much and the ones I found would not fit an many deck (John the Baptist (Disc), Ezekiel (FooF)) concepts. The only general one seems to be Micah (RoA).

What can be optimally used for that purpose?

Thank you in advance!

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Re: Best/Versatile/General recursion possibilities for green GEs?
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2019, 10:45:19 AM »
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Ezekiel (FooF) might force you down the "Babs for president defense" path, but Zeke, Forest Fire, and Drawn Sword are so good (and Babs are too) that Green/Crimson is one of the best color pairings in Redemption.

Micah (RoA) has one of the best recursion abilities in the game - most other themes have nothing close to him (and only Genesis has a copy of it).  He's very negatable - is that the problem?

Isaiah (FooF) can recur Isaiah GEs straight to hand as long as you have at least 1 Isaiah angel in territory.  And there are a lot more nice green Isaiah GEs added to the card pool in PoC.

Malachi (PoC) can recur star cards straight to hand, and most star cards are Green.

I guess, maybe I'm not sure why you are asking your question, because Green far and away has the best recursion in the game, except for maybe White.  Recursion straight to hand is very powerful, but recursion to deck is not nearly as great - are you trying to build a herolite deck maybe?
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Re: Best/Versatile/General recursion possibilities for green GEs?
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2019, 04:26:50 PM »
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Hi Josh,

Regarding Zeke - this might be the case and I might even be using Babs in def too. Unfortunately I cannot yet post a deck list since I am still working on it. But Ezekiel is currently not considered - and he "only" recurs to bottom of deck. Similar goes for Isaiah - he is not part of the deck concept/idea so I cannot use his recursion abilities, same for Malachi.

This will leave me to Micah who is currently also not fitting in the offense idea.

Regarding recursion IMHO white rules them all if I think to Ruth, Musicians, Tabernacle etc.

No, the deck will not be herolite - more the opposite  ;D - but those guys will need GEs to hopefully get the job done (I know - this is kinda outdated since today the characters normally do the job already, seldomly using enhancements for support).

Since I am still struggling with my main problem (cutting stuff) getting to the final deck list might last a while...

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Re: Best/Versatile/General recursion possibilities for green GEs?
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2019, 06:53:23 PM »
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Which green enhancements are you specifically wishing to recur and why? 
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Re: Best/Versatile/General recursion possibilities for green GEs?
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2019, 01:18:48 PM »
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Spritual Warfare => PreBlock with HT
Two Bears => Possible Battle Winner
Benaiah snatches a Spear => CBN Negate
Behold the Lamb => Interrupt & Discard CBN
Several Plagues => Possible Battle Winners

Also good but not as important as the above ones.
Live Coal => Territory Negate (Could be done with Isaiah and his Angels, but not part of deck concept ATM)
Swords into Plowshares => Interrupt and Discard during battle
Sins Forgotten => Negate and Remove during Battle

That's all for the moment!  ;D

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Re: Best/Versatile/General recursion possibilities for green GEs?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2019, 03:29:37 PM »
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Yeah, I think Micah is your best bet. Won't get Spiritual Warfare or Behold the Lamb,  but I'm pretty sure nothing else can get such a wide variety.

Isaiah alone, or maybe with the tin Seraph (band to a green prophet, cbn by evil), may be worth considering - topdecking Live Coal isn't the worst thing in the world.
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Re: Best/Versatile/General recursion possibilities for green GEs?
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2019, 08:32:21 AM »
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No, the deck will not be herolite - more the opposite  ;D - but those guys will need GEs to hopefully get the job done (I know - this is kinda outdated since today the characters normally do the job already, seldomly using enhancements for support).

I think you've identified the most important point - an offense-heavy deck shouldn't need recursion to get to 5 (well, 2 or 3, depending on what SoG/TSC/AotL get you).  It looks like you've already discovered this with your comment about how characters normally get the job done and seldom use enhancements.

However, if recursion is what you enjoy doing (and who doesn't, honestly?  Play my best GEs twice?  Look at the value!), don't let us stop you from playing your way  ;)
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Re: Best/Versatile/General recursion possibilities for green GEs?
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2019, 08:34:09 AM »
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Yeah, I think Micah is your best bet. Won't get Spiritual Warfare or Behold the Lamb,  but I'm pretty sure nothing else can get such a wide variety.

Funnily enough, Micah can't recur some of the plagues, because they have too much defense...

ANB (GE) may be nerfed to oblivion, but it's fingerprints are still all over the game if you look closely  ;)
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Re: Best/Versatile/General recursion possibilities for green GEs?
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2019, 08:39:26 AM »
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There’s a Lost Soul in PoC phase 2 that might help your cause.
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Re: Best/Versatile/General recursion possibilities for green GEs?
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2019, 10:03:33 AM »
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There’s a Lost Soul in PoC phase 2 that might help your cause.

Sounds interesting! Looking forwards to hopefully soon upcoming spoilers!  :)

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Re: Best/Versatile/General recursion possibilities for green GEs?
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2019, 12:09:49 AM »
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So from what I can tell from your description, you might be better off using teal instead of green as your offensive color.  The tabernacle will allow you to recur teal enhancements, and there are several teal/green characters to play off of Hidden Treasures if you are interested in that.  Burning Incense will still allow for a pre-battle ignore with HT, and you have Zeal instead of Two Bears for an interrupt and win, and a few negate and discard enhancement options as well.

But if your heart is set on green, and the only thing holding you back from Ezekiel is recurring to the bottom of deck, there are several choices of defensive cards that can get you easy access to the bottom of deck such as Messenger of Satan, Egyptian Magicians, and even a Babylonian option in Astrologers (suggested to me by Christian Soldier).  This also plays nicely with Wages of Sin.
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Re: Best/Versatile/General recursion possibilities for green GEs?
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2019, 11:18:05 AM »
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Thanks a lot!

Indeed - maybe Teal is worth a look. Ezekiel does not really fit ATM - but I'm quite limited in seeing synergies and stuff like that so maybe I just did not get it yet.