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« on: July 14, 2014, 11:03:47 PM »
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1) Trumpet and Sword's special ability is: "If a Tabernacle priest is in play, negate and discard a single-color Site or evil Fortress. Discard up to X human Evil Characters." Is the 2nd sentence of the special ability dependent upon there being a tabernacle priest in play, just as the first is? Because it's a new sentence, it seems that "Discard up to X human Evil Characters" is not contingent upon there being a Tabernacle priest in play...

2) What happens when a cannot be negated is against a dominant? Example: my opponent plays United Kingdom on David, bands a bunch of heroes in, and then I play Strife. Does Strife work or not?

Thanks for the help!  :)
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Re: 2 questions
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2014, 11:08:27 PM »
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1) They are two separate abilities and you can discard X Evil Characters without a Priest in play.

2) Strife isn't even trying to negate United Kingdom, it is simply returning the characters to territory (if I'm remembering Strife correctly anyway), so Strife will work in this case. However even a dominant can't negate an unnegatable card (Destruction of Nehushtan can't negate Holy of Holies in the battle phase).
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Re: 2 questions
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2014, 11:10:12 PM »
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1) They are separated by a period so it is no longer dependant on there being a tabernacle priest in play, meaning you can still discard ECs without a tab. priest in play.

2) Strife is not a negate, it's a withdraw so all heroes would return regardless of United Kingdom being CBN. Another example that better answers your question I think is if I play DoN on a CBN artifact. In that case, the artifact is discarded but even though it's a dominant that tried to negate it, it is still not negated and the effect lasts until the end of the phase. Overall, dominants do not negate CBN cards, they're just inherently CBN themselves.

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EDIT: So as you can see, I agree with CS.

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Re: 2 questions
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2014, 11:12:33 PM »
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Thanks! It just seems that Strife is negating United Kingdom, because it is causing an opposite action of what United Kingdom is causing.

Amazing fast response time btw! Thanks again!
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Re: 2 questions
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2014, 11:21:29 PM »
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Thanks! It just seems that Strife is negating United Kingdom, because it is causing an opposite action of what United Kingdom is causing.

Amazing fast response time btw! Thanks again!
Unless a card specifically says "Negate blah blah blah" it's not a negate. One way to think of how it's not necessarily undoing UK (which is actually Unified Kingdom, not that big island off the coast of France) is that you could choose to keep one of the heroes they banded into battle instead, leaving them with a different hero than they began with.

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Re: 2 questions
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2014, 11:28:59 PM »
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lol oops you're right it is Unified Kingdom :)

and I understand now - thanks for explaining!
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Re: 2 questions
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2014, 11:30:02 PM »
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Thanks! It just seems that Strife is negating United Kingdom, because it is causing an opposite action of what United Kingdom is causing.

Amazing fast response time btw! Thanks again!
UK (which is actually Unified Kingdom, not that big island off the coast of France) i

Technically the United Kingdom contains the big island, the northern part of Ireland and many small islands.  The big island is Great Britain.
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Re: 2 questions
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2014, 11:42:47 PM »
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Cool, I didn't know that...I always thought Great Britain, England, and the United Kingdom were all the same.
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Re: 2 questions
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2014, 11:44:09 PM »
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Technically the United Kingdom contains the big island, the northern part of Ireland and many small islands.  The big island is Great Britain.

England is just that: England.
Britain is England and Wales.
Great Britain is generally referred to as England, Wales, and Scotland, though it's only the one island.
United Kingdom is all territories under the rule of Her Majesty.

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Re: 2 questions
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2014, 11:50:28 PM »
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United Kingdom is all territories under the rule of Her Majesty.

That's not quite true as the British Empire still controls several territories outside the British Isles, such that the sun has still not set over the British Empire since it's glory days. While the United Kingdom is the parts it directly rules over in the British Isles.
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