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Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Official Local Tournaments
« on: September 14, 2009, 09:10:24 PM »
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Below's a link to an official announcement by Rob:
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=17895.msg284286#msg284286

Rob may revise the rules as he wishes based on further valid suggestions, and so always stay in touch.

THE RULES FOR PRE-CACTUS-APPROVED SANCTIONED TOURNEYS (thus far):

1. Only Local tournaments are eligible for the Pre-Cactus-Approved tourney program.
2. Pre-Cactus-Approved tourneys are limited to 1 per month per group.
3. All paperwork/payments for previous Pre-Cactus-Approved tourneys must be resolved before the next one is allowed.
4. A maximun number of Pre-Cactus-Approved tournaments is 6 per season/per playgroup.
5. Pre-Cactus-Approved tournaments done between May 1st and Nationals are not cosidered sanctioned and official, thus no retroactive promo or prize support.
6. All Pre-Cactus-Approved tourney paperwork must be turned in by May 15th at the latest or else they are not eligible for promos, prize support and RNRS points.
7. Hosts must print their own forms (winner list, sign in sheet, tournament application) and mail these back with check or money order & Redemption Cash.  No faxes, e-mails or credit cards.
8. Hosts must have already hosted at least 2 sanctioned Locals and 1 sanctioned District to be eligible for the Pre-Cactus-Approved tourney program.

May I add, therefore, that hosts can advance any promos, winner cards, and prizes (i.e. booster packs and/or Redemption cash) as they are available.  Cactus will, after Pre-Cactus-Approved tourney are approved, mail hosts their retroactive promos and prize support.

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Re: Thinktank on Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Tourneys
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2009, 09:16:32 PM »
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The biggest bonus is Cactus would know exactly how many cards to send for promos.  Many times I've had a weekend that was available for many players but I didn't know it until the week before.  Doing a tourney then getting the rest of the paper work done later would be nice at times.
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Re: Thinktank on Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Tourneys
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2009, 10:35:41 PM »
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I'm all for this if it could work out for Rob.  There are a lot of times that I could host a tournament if I didn't have to send in notice many weeks in advance.  Being at a school, I have students often that would love to play.  But working around their schedules for everything else makes it quite tricky to plan far enough out.

I definitely think that the big summer tourneys (State, Regional, and Nationals) should have to be announced far in advance.  However, I'm not sure that it is as important for local and district level events.

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Re: Thinktank on Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Tourneys
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2009, 10:50:16 PM »
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I agree this would be a nice alternative. Being involved in a card store weekly, we have times when we could host a tournament when other games are taking the week off (i.e. Friday nights, Saturday and Sundays). This would be a great way to let established hosts hold more tournaments when time allows rather than planning out six weeks in advance.

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Re: Thinktank on Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Tourneys
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2009, 12:02:08 AM »
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I think this is an amazing idea.  I totally support it.

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Re: Thinktank on Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Tourneys
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2009, 12:09:13 AM »
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I think if this was established, it should be minimum of either two weeks or 10 days. One week seems a bit too short, because if something happens and you don't get the promos, that would look bad.

I think this could be an option for maybe the first tourney a host in a certain area could do, but after the first time, you should follow the six week rule.

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Re: Thinktank on Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Tourneys
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2009, 01:02:57 AM »
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I think if this was established, it should be minimum of either two weeks or 10 days. One week seems a bit too short, because if something happens and you don't get the promos, that would look bad.
I don't really get this.  I thought that the host had to provide their own prize/promo support at first, and then wait for Cactus to restock them afterward.  If this is the case, then the players would all get their cards already, and the host would be the only one at risk.  This ensure that they kept their tournament up to a standard that they are confident that Cactus would support.

I think this could be an option for maybe the first tourney a host in a certain area could do, but after the first time, you should follow the six week rule.
This makes less sense to me.  I see this as being really helpful to hosts, why make it limited to a one-time thing?

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Im am loving the responses so far!  Blessings to all!.

If we could make this work and with the strictect standards expected from hosts, then Rob might consider the idea and impose it sooner than we think.

My prayerful feeling is that the proposed practice would be win win for all.

More thinktank?

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Re: Thinktank on Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Tourneys
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2009, 07:24:07 PM »
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I think Roy should move to Florida.
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Re: Thinktank on Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Tourneys
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2009, 07:37:46 PM »
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great idea!

ps, what does thinktank mean? lol

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Re: Thinktank on Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Tourneys
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2009, 07:45:38 PM »
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A thinktank is a thread to get ideas on an idea.  Literally, a think tank.  Think lots of thought fish in an forum aquarium.

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Re: Thinktank on Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Tourneys
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2009, 07:47:16 PM »
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Also, I like the idea. I'm wiith NWJosh about the promos, I never really know who can show up to tournaments until the week before, since we don't have one unified playgroup.
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Re: Thinktank on Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Tourneys
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2009, 09:03:28 PM »
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Ya this has some real benefits to it.  Granted I don't think hosts should make a habit of this every week, but it would be nice to know that if 10 members of my play group all said they were wanting to play a tourney the next week that I could put one together and still get it sanctioned.  I do agree that Regionals and states must be atleast 6 weeks in advance.  I wouldn't even mind saying Districts need 2 weeks of notice for advertisement sake, with prizes coming after the tourney so things don't have to be expressed shipped.  Locals are "layed back" enough where I think this could be helpful in getting hosts to run more tourneys.  Plus if I know I had 15 players at a tourney then Cactus only has to send me that amount of promos and prizes.  The biggest upside to this is I can fax results in meaning Cactus doesn't have to spend a penny on return costs for paper work and extra promos.  This could cut some costs to cactus as well as encourage hosts to run more events.
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Re: Thinktank on Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Tourneys
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2009, 09:34:14 PM »
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I think Roy should move to Florida.

Tim, I wish Florida was 20 minutes away. I'd make sure to lure you into having a Local or District tourney in Disneyland. Seriously, could we make that happen in case I went there and this proposal pushes through?  Like almost impromptu tourney with your playgroup?
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Re: Thinktank on Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Tourneys
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2009, 09:41:15 PM »
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The biggest upside to this is I can fax results in meaning Cactus doesn't have to spend a penny on return costs for paper work and extra promos.  This could cut some costs to cactus as well as encourage hosts to run more events.

Well said, Josh!

Fax would be the next best thing to an original-filled-in form.  Cactus could post the results in a jiffy.  Cactus can still require snail mail for the original results sheet for filing.  I guess both procedures can work well.

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Re: Thinktank on Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Tourneys
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2009, 09:52:49 PM »
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I'd make sure to lure you into having a Local or District tourney in Disneyland. Seriously, could we make that happen in case I went there and this proposal pushes through?  Like almost impromptu tourney with your playgroup?

Absolutely. Reservations for Mickey's Retreat may require advance notice, but if they have free space we could try to snatch it up. Of course, I was assuming you meant outside the actual parks, otherwise the tournament fees would be around $80 per person.  ;)
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Re: Thinktank on Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Tourneys
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2009, 10:05:03 PM »
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I'm sure if you have Captured Ark as a promo people would still come :).
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Re: Thinktank on Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Tourneys
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2009, 10:26:46 PM »
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I'm sure if you have Captured Ark as a promo people would still come :).

At a District, for example, I'm actually planning to take all my various District Promos and let players choose which one they want.  When I submit final results plus the request for winner and promo cards, I might be able to ask Cactus for any District promo that I need that Cactus would approve of giving me in exchange for the number of promos that I had given away.

Of course, CA would be a strong promo choice, I agree.  ;)
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Re: Thinktank on Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Tourneys
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2009, 10:28:52 PM »
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I would think as a host this would be a great idea. Has anyone brought it up to Rob yet? There are many times that I have found out last minute that we could get a group together, and there are other times where advertised tournaments have yielded 3 or 4 people...

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Re: Thinktank on Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Tourneys
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2009, 10:35:05 PM »
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I would think as a host this would be a great idea. Has anyone brought it up to Rob yet? There are many times that I have found out last minute that we could get a group together, and there are other times where advertised tournaments have yielded 3 or 4 people...

I totally agree with Ken that I've had tourneys advertised and only had 3 or 4 players but been able to put together an afternoon of playing and have 20.  This could give smaller playgroups more oppurtunities to have tourneys with a larger number of players attending then usual.  Hosts still will have to pay the fees so that aspect of it wouldn't change for cactus.
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Re: Thinktank on Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Tourneys
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2009, 10:36:01 PM »
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Of course, CA would be a strong promo choice, I agree.  ;)
I was referring to YMT's post. People would be willing to pay any entry fee to get a Captured Ark. Sorry for being unclear ::).

Although it'd be awesome if Cactus let you do the district switch. Thats a really smart idea; a win-win for everyone.
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Re: Thinktank on Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Tourneys
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2009, 10:39:16 PM »
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I had not voiced it officially, but I also agree that this a great idea. I think we will indeed see the number of participants for certain tourneys increase as a result of short-notice get-togethers.

As some have stated, there needs to be limits to the use of this system, since advertised tourneys allow for advanced planning and give time for new players to "discover" tourneys in their area. But there are obvious merits to short-notice tourneys that will likely increase the number of tourneys and, ultimately, spread the game.

I was referring to YMT's post. People would be willing to pay any entry fee to get a Captured Ark.

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Re: Thinktank on Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Tourneys
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2009, 10:31:31 PM »
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Wow, I read this thread and dismissed it at first, but then I thought about it.... what a great idea! I think this is an awesome idea... with the way that things go around here at times, this would have saved us a lot of headaches and allowed us to host a lot more tourneys. I think this idea rocks. :)

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Re: Thinktank on Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Tourneys
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2009, 11:16:00 PM »
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I like the idea of not having to wait 5 weeks to have a tournament.  I believe that it would be a bit difficult for those of us who do not have play groups and that tournaments sporaticlly.

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Re: Thinktank on Pre-Cactus-Application Sanctioned Tourneys
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2009, 12:26:17 AM »
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I really like the idea, but I don't know what that means for Rob.

Maybe you can have a "retroactive" tournament for an extra fee, or if you waive RNRS points. 

Or maybe you print your own winner sheet and sign-in sheet from the Cactus page, and mail that at your own expense, and he mails you the exact number of promos and prize packs.  This option seems best to me.

 

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