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Title: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Crashfach2002 on January 02, 2019, 04:38:35 PM
Knoxville, TN--August 1-3, 2019

Host: Chris Fachman
Venue:
Meridian Baptist Church
6513 Chapman Highway, Knoxville, TN 37920

Planned Schedule:

Thursday:  T2 - 2 Player (Free!) / Booster Draft ($20.00)
Friday:  T1 - 2 Player (Free!) / T2 - Multi (Free!)
Saturday:  Teams (Free!) / T1 - Multi (Free!) / Sealed ($15.00)

This year's National Tournament participant promos!

Spoiler (hover to show)


Alright guys, while I'm still working on the official schedule I wanted to post here what was mentioned a while ago.  I want to try to raise some money to see if we can't make this a completely free tournament if not discounted to try to make this as affordable as possible so we can try to get as many people there as possible!

So here are my goals with the value beside them.

1) Free entry for open categories for everyone 17 years and younger or has never been to a National Tournament before.  $100

2) Free entry for open categories (for everyone).  $100

3) Free meal plan (This will include Breakfast and Lunch)  $3,000

I figure about $5 a meal x 6 for 100 people.

4) Free entry fee for closed categories for everyone 17 years and younger or has never been to a National Tournament before. $1,400

Sealed Deck:  $15 x 40 = $600
Booster Draft:  $20 x 40 = $800

5) Free entry fee for closed categories (for everyone).  $1,400

Sealed Deck:  $15 x 40 = $600
Booster Draft:  $20 x 40 = $800

Goal 1:  $100
Goals 1-2: $200
Goals 1-3: $3,200
Goals 1-4: $4,600
Goals 1-5: $6,000

How are we going to do this?  I have talked to Rob and I can do it a few ways:

I can sell cards from my collection, I will only be selling cards I have an excess of.
I can sell complete sets (including Phase 2 of Prophecies of Christ)
You can simply donate through Pay-Pal.

Money Raised so far: $339.61

The selling thread is HERE (http://www.cactusforums.com/redemption-market/sellingtrading-thread/msg573362/#msg573362)
Title: Re: 2019 National Tournament date voting
Post by: Crashfach2002 on January 14, 2019, 11:27:27 AM
Info for the area:

The airport is McGhee Tyson Airport (TYS).  The address is 2055 Alcoa Hwy, Alcoa, TN 37701.  The airport is roughly 20 minutes from the church.

Megabus has apparently decided to no longer stop in Knoxville anymore.  Sorry!

Greyhound drops off at 100 E Magnolia Ave, Knoxville, TN 37917 and is about 15 minutes from the church.

If you take the greyhound and arrive during hours Knoxville has city transit call the KAT buses.  You can take route 20, then get on the bus for route 41 which will drop you off right in front of the church.

I'm going to go look at the hotels and get you guys an "official" one, but there are a ton of options below:

If you plan on staying in a hotel, I recommend staying on Strawberry Plains Pike in Knoxville, TN 37924.  These hotels are roughly 20 minutes from the church, but they aren't normally very busy, there are plenty of food places around and they are also not NEAR as expensive as our downtown options.

DO NOT stay at the Executive Inn, Lakeview Motel or Sunset Motel on Chapman Highway!!!!!!!!  (I really don't think that is enough exclamation points honestly!!!!)

******
(Fyi from Roy)
Rob usuall uses the hotel below when he attends Nats in Knoxville. It's also the same one that the main TX group will use for their road trip.
https://www.redroof.com/property/tn/knoxville/RRI747 (https://www.redroof.com/property/tn/knoxville/RRI747)
******

You are more than welcome to stay at the church and we have showers that have been added as well.

I will be giving out maps for restaurants around the church and around Strawberry Plains Pike.  We have a LOT of new options since the last time most of you were here!
Title: Re: 2019 National Tournament date voting
Post by: Gabe on January 14, 2019, 11:30:20 AM
Lord willing I will make either date with a van full of players. Thanks for hosting and making this so affordable!
Title: Re: 2019 National Tournament date voting
Post by: TechnoEthicist on January 14, 2019, 01:16:15 PM
If we can figure out what we are going to do with the kids, (Simon is 4 weeks old already, and Evan is 3!) then we will try and come. It would be great to see everyone!

(http://i.imgur.com/ASlunFlb.jpg) (https://imgur.com/ASlunFl)
Title: Re: 2019 National Tournament date voting
Post by: Crashfach2002 on January 14, 2019, 01:26:23 PM
If we can figure out what we are going to do with the kids, (Simon is 4 weeks old already, and Evan is 3!) then we will try and come. It would be great to see everyone!

(http://i.imgur.com/ASlunFlb.jpg) (https://imgur.com/ASlunFl)


Looks like he is excited about it, so you should bring him with you!
Title: Re: 2019 National Tournament date voting
Post by: uthminister [BR] on January 14, 2019, 01:56:08 PM
We can come if it is the first week of August. We have a mission trip planned for the last week of July.
Title: Re: 2019 National Tournament date voting
Post by: Crashfach2002 on January 20, 2019, 02:21:05 PM
Bumping again because we need to go ahead and try to figure this out.  If it ends super close to a tie, Iíll be having a discussion with a few people and we will decide on which date to go forward with.


Huge announcement coming tomorrow!  Stay tuned!
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: ReyZen on January 27, 2019, 08:24:07 AM
Game on!

Pending Chris' official details, I have posted on the OP a similar copy of Cactus' tournament schedule announcement.

Plan your trip to celebrate our 25th National Tournament!

Peace and Blessings!
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Crashfach2002 on January 30, 2019, 11:24:23 AM
Alright everyone, please vote if you haven't already.  Upon conversations with people, unless the poll moves very heavily towards the July date we will probably keep the date the same as it has always been which is the first weekend in August.
Title: Re: 2019 National Tournament date voting
Post by: EmJayBee83 on January 30, 2019, 01:33:21 PM
If we can figure out what we are going to do with the kids, (Simon is 4 weeks old already, and Evan is 3!) then we will try and come. It would be great to see everyone!

(http://i.imgur.com/ASlunFlb.jpg) (https://imgur.com/ASlunFl)


So cute! And to think, I was there when these crazy kids got engaged...
(http://www.angelfire.com/ok/furrow/nats08a/thumbnails/600x450/n14.jpg)
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: TheHobbit on January 30, 2019, 02:46:29 PM
Mega Bus, Mega Bus, Mega Bus!
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: TheHobbit on February 09, 2019, 02:32:48 PM
Any word on whether T1 and T2 will run concurrently or not?
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on March 31, 2019, 06:14:55 PM
As if I have not bothered you enough this week  ;D ;) is there an update to the schedule or a general consensus leaning towards one way or the other?  7 categories is tough, I personally wouldn't be opposed to testing a new schedule out that didn't include one of or both of the multiplayers, (T1/T2 MP only). Maximizing the amount of contestants in the most popular categories seems to make for the most competition, different decks, and everyone always gets excited when the field is large. The new cards/format for booster seem to be a very popular category, T1 2p is always the most category, so these two should really be the main focus. I wouldn't mind type 1 2p running only alongside type A. I don't think there's such a thing as the perfect schedule, so appeasing the majority should be the main concern and type 1 2p is just that, and this is coming from an almost secluded type 2'er.

Thursday- Booster/T2 2P: This allows for your hardcore t2 players and more experienced t1 players who want to cross over into the real gameplay and also opens up the playing field for booster for newer players to have a better shot at higher tables, or even competitive players to win if you take away 12-20 top players in type 2. This also gives newer players a day for deck building, construction, chance for new cards, and allows for the masses to travel if need be and be there for the main event for the next day...

Friday- Type 1 2 player/Type A: Let us all try to friendly kill each other. I can't think of anyone who hates type 1 so much they would be mad that something else isn't offered. Technically type 2 mp can be during this day too, but the thought of the main event gaining all the attention is pretty cool. Imagine 100 people at this nats and 75 playing in type 1.  :o

Saturday- This is a low attendance day where people are leaving and your main 3 events are already done anyway. You can really throw in a lot of categories here all in one day. Sealed/MP's/Teams can all run jointly. Like I said, I think type 2MP, even with additional time, is almost to the point of impossible to finish games, and type 1 MP is just a draw fest anyway, sorry if you don't like that, but you still know it's true. I would run Sealed and Teams this day and eliminate T1/2 MP's for this year and see how it goes. And once again, this is coming from a guy who has a couple T2 MP titles under his belt and the only open category left that I haven't ranked in is T1 MP so I wanted to play that this year, so I'm just saying.

This schedule allows for both 2 player formats, maximizes booster, gives a day for travel, a day for deck building with new cards from booster, and creates a huge amount of excitement for the first ever main event being the only event pretty much. Maybe extend top cut to 12, extend prizes to top 8, live feed multiple games at a time, and get to see a massive amount of unique deckstyles in type1 which I personally think will be the most open and explosive meta in Redemption history. Last year had a few good decks in type 1 that had a realistic shot at winning, sorry but it's true. The year before was CoL (shudders) and the year before that was BoM/Throne decks. This year we could (should) see a resurgence of BoM, various prophet offenses, more Throne, a very fast red bander, teal (that feels weird to say), Genesis/Flood, white/clay, clay variants, musicians, Ruth (maybe), Daniel decks, cloud based decks, star based decks and maybe even a random angel party. I seriously think if there are 75 type 1 players you will see the most amount of decks that are actually competitive and the meta hasn't even been set yet!

Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on March 31, 2019, 06:15:13 PM
Part 2!!!!

Just seeing what you guys think and before some people come on here and yell about eliminating categories because they "have" to be given at nats, if majority of the community isn't even playing them, or never has (I'm looking at you t2MP) then maybe we could reconsider this option. Let's do what's best for the players and the game which is to see what the heck everyone is playing and have a massive amount of the community fight it out for the top type 1 title possibly ever. From personal experience, 15 years of competitive play and going to 11 nationals I can confidently say it really is not fun to time out all the time in t2 mp and see the exact same decks over and over. It's even worse when after one round you, and rightfully so, get targeted due to the entire field knowing what you are playing and that you won 1 game which is a huge deal in t2 mp. It's not really fun anymore because I don't get to see peoples decks. No joke you get 4 rounds give or take in an entire game, and if you add 15 extra minutes you will just extend the day longer and still get 4 rounds, maybe 5 in. When it comes to 4-5 rounds you have to play extremely quick, fast/searching decks, and if anyone (Jayden lol) has a counter to this then you sit there and smile at everyone. Add all this together with the 8-12 participants and it really seems ok to drop the category at nationals completely.

Now on to T1 MP....The complete opposite can be said of this guy. Zero defense, 20 heroes per deck and speed...everywhere! This also tends to have the most newcomers as well so we get to expose the children to this abomination of a category, (kind of a sarcastic joke but still). So half the field, there's usually around 15-20 if it's paired with a weaker category, are newbies who get to see that in order to win you have to speed through your deck and not play defense. Don't @me. Booster is awesome, teams is awesome, both of these formats are very close to t1 MP so why not take out this category to maximize on the best stuff. If I thought people would be seriously opposed to this then I would not have taken the time to write a small thesis on the matter, but I really think this would make for an amazing nationals that showcases numerous decks, archetypes and improves the player field.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Gabe on March 31, 2019, 06:17:30 PM
I love you, Tyler.*  :amen:

*In a manly, platonic kind of way.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on March 31, 2019, 06:27:56 PM
I love you, Tyler.*  :amen:

*In a manly, platonic kind of way.

What he said
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on March 31, 2019, 06:37:29 PM
Great feedback so far!  :-* ;D
Love you guys too, in a similar manly, platonic kind of way too of course.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: TheHobbit on March 31, 2019, 07:44:51 PM
Despite all of the joking around we did at the Type 2 only... I actually like type two multi but I am probably biased. Why can't type 2 multi run concurrently with sealed and TEAMS? TEAMS, imo, has become not very fun to play. Plus, not everyone has a teammate or wants to play a closed category.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on March 31, 2019, 07:58:45 PM
You absolutely can, but now you are potentially diluting all of fields on that day on the least attended day. I would probably play T2 MP that day, but why T2MP over T1MP on that day? If you are eliminating 1 category, that helps, but 2 might need to go for an ideal schedule. I will agree with you about sealed not being fun because those decks have been out for so many years, so I would not mind that category gone, but that is a decent money maker for the host. If you do all 3 you take away around 12 players from the field of teams/sealed, but this also offers an opportunity for people to leave early if they are hitting the road. I am not against 3 categories on Saturday, but that is tough to balance all 3 categories in a timely fashion on the day that tends to end slightly earlier.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 31, 2019, 09:21:13 PM
If you are not going to have them played at Nationals, you may as well just remove the multiplayer as official categories and make it clear that Redemption is strictly a two player game.

And since last year there were as many T1-MP players as there were people playing T2-2P, and only two more people played TEAMS, maybe we should just stick with the most popular events and do...

Thursday:  Booster
Friday:      T1-2P/Type A
Saturday:  Sealed
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: TheHobbit on March 31, 2019, 09:34:55 PM
You absolutely can, but now you are potentially diluting all of fields on that day on the least attended day. I would probably play T2 MP that day, but why T2MP over T1MP on that day? If you are eliminating 1 category, that helps, but 2 might need to go for an ideal schedule. I will agree with you about sealed not being fun because those decks have been out for so many years, so I would not mind that category gone, but that is a decent money maker for the host. If you do all 3 you take away around 12 players from the field of teams/sealed, but this also offers an opportunity for people to leave early if they are hitting the road. I am not against 3 categories on Saturday, but that is tough to balance all 3 categories in a timely fashion on the day that tends to end slightly earlier.

Historically, when type 2 multi player has been with type one the field is diluted too. Not sure pairing it with a less popular category, TEAMS, would dilute T2 multi more.  As for type 1 multi you could throw that in on the day type 2 when t1 2 player is played. Then it can also serve as a type- A and a half for those not young enough to play type A but not experienced enough to have fun competing in T1. I agree overall though and would take that schedule over any of the "old" ones.

If you are not going to have them played at Nationals, you may as well just remove the multiplayer as official categories and make it clear that Redemption is strictly a two player game.

And since last year there were as many T1-MP players as there were people playing T2-2P, and only two more people played TEAMS, maybe we should just stick with the most popular events and do...

Thursday:  Booster
Friday:      T1-2P/Type A
Saturday:  Sealed


Popular vote would be a more accurate way of deciding this, but I understand your sentiment. Having all categories played at Nationals is important, however diluted.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Red on March 31, 2019, 10:17:39 PM
I advocate for Tyler's schedule, although, after judging it and playing it, I would personally kill TEAMs, but that's entirely a personal opinion and statistics demonstrate that it deserves the airtime.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: TheJaylor on March 31, 2019, 11:03:32 PM
Maybe we should just change the deck building rules for T2-MP to having a good to evil ratio of 2:1. :P
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Watchman on March 31, 2019, 11:19:34 PM
I agree with Tyler in that the more players in less categories is better than less players in more categories.

Why not run 2P booster concurrently with T1 MP like it was last Nats? I thought that was a good split, and it gives the multiplayer folks a chance to do that while the one on one folks can play booster. Personally my son doesnít like booster but likes T1 MP so that worked out well for us. But overall I think it works well.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: The Guardian on March 31, 2019, 11:56:12 PM
I would be fine with cutting one category so there are only two categories each day. Although T1 2P is the most popular category, there are people who really prefer not to play that category and for them to spend the money to come to Nationals, I think it's reasonable to offer two categories each day even if they end up with smaller fields. (As a note, I'm not counting Type A as that should always be paired with T1 2P).

If that category has to be T2 MP, I would understand though I would hope we could cut one of the Type 1 categories since there are 5 of those and only 2 Type 2 categories. I have no problem with games timing out in T2 MP as long as we're actually getting to fight battles and not spending 20 minutes for one person to get through their prep phase...the timing system we tested at the T2 Only seemed work really well -- we got 3 quality rounds done in about 5 1/2 hours so 4 rounds would have been just over 7, which is perfect for a Nationals.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on April 01, 2019, 08:29:29 AM
Justin, I like your point about not cutting a T2 category since everything else is T1. Also, I liked Nathanís point of pairing T2 MP with T1 2P.
Emjaybee-
To compare type 2 to other lesser played categories isnít even fair. My entire post is about maximizing type 1 2P. Obviously the most popular category, and easiest to get into, is T1 2P and that goes up against T2 2P every year, naturally there are going to be way less people playing. Take the number of players from the only nationals where they were split and youíll hopefully see a more accurate representation.

Eliminating categories outright is also a very dramatic response. Majority of tournaments, including states and even some regionals, do not even offer T2 MP because the lack of players, or only 3 show up because they automatically get prizes so long as they check a deck in. Having these formats available still allows for schedule diversification and makes for unique tournaments, see the T2 only. Eliminating T2 2P from nationals being one of your schedule proposals kind of takes away from the purpose of my post and the current discussion.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Sean on April 01, 2019, 09:18:01 AM
I know there aren't a lot of total players but has it ever been considered to have the National Tournament for T1 and T2 separate from each other?
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: The Guardian on April 01, 2019, 09:28:59 AM
I know there aren't a lot of total players but has it ever been considered to have the National Tournament for T1 and T2 separate from each other?

For a lot of people, one of the main reasons they attend Nationals is the chance to see people they usually only see once a year (at Nationals), and something like this would completely take that away. While some might be able to afford attending both, the majority would not be able to do that.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Sean on April 01, 2019, 09:30:57 AM
I totally get that, just throwing out an idea.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: EmJayBee83 on April 01, 2019, 10:50:01 AM
Emjaybee-
To compare type 2 to other lesser played categories isnít even fair. My entire post is about maximizing type 1 2P. Obviously the most popular category, and easiest to get into, is T1 2P and that goes up against T2 2P every year, naturally there are going to be way less people playing. Take the number of players from the only nationals where they were split and youíll hopefully see a more accurate representation.
I guess I don't understand what you mean by "lesser played categories."  Going back 10 years T2-2P has lower attendance than Sealed every single year (usually by large margins). Yet you said you would be fine with killing sealed. T2-2P has topped T1-MP player count twice in the past 10 years. On this T1-2P and T2-2P were separated in 2017 and T2-2P had fewer players (24) than both Sealed (28) and T1-MP (26) even though those two events were scheduled against each other on Saturday.

If events need to be killed just kill them, but any recognized categories should to be part of Nats. (There should also be an agreement on the criteria to decide which events to eliminate.) If such winnowing is needed, my preference would be this occurs following this years Nats. That preference is based on nothing more than mawkish sentimentality, however. It just kind of stinks to have category termination tied to the tournament that should be focused on celebrating the 25th Anniversary of the games.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Gabe on April 01, 2019, 10:57:32 AM
It just kind of stinks to have category termination tied to the tournament that should be focused on celebrating the 25th Anniversary of the games.

#bringbackmultiplayersealedforthe25thanniversary
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Kor on April 01, 2019, 12:43:21 PM
My vote for arrangement would be:

T1 2-player/T2 Multi/Type A

T2 2 player/T1 Multi/Sealed

Teams/2-player Booster/Multi Booster


Benefits are:

-People who want to T1 both events can
-People who want to T2 both events can
-A multi format each day for this who prefer that
-A 2-player format each day for those who prefer that
-2 days of non constructed for those who prefer that or donít have competitive collections

Iím sure there will still be players that have their favorites paired, but I think this should be good for a lot of people.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: jbeers285 on April 01, 2019, 05:35:42 PM
I like Kors list but would consider flipping booster multi with t2 multi
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Kor on April 01, 2019, 05:50:36 PM
I like Kors list but would consider flipping booster multi with t2 multi

Actually I think I like that better too.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: jbeers285 on April 01, 2019, 06:06:15 PM
That provides a sealed, 1v1 and multi category every day. It also means T2 only players wouldnít have to come Thursday and could save money and vacation time.

Although the major draw back is that the biggest event ends up on Thursday. You might have to flip Thursday Friday and then you lose the benefit for t2 players. (TBF they arenít the majority though)
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Kevinthedude on April 01, 2019, 06:16:22 PM
All I care about is that T1 is not on Thursday again. There are people that can't take enough days off to make Thursday and people that can't justify coming to Nats if they can't play T1 and those groups of people overlap. Putting T1 on Thursday is just a surefire way to guarantee a smaller attendance.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Master Q on April 01, 2019, 06:23:17 PM
And then the MP Booster Draft/2P Booster Draft/Teams Booster Draft Nats emerges to save the world! (and destroy people's wallets) 8)

Relating to scheduling, I agree that T1 MP is the devil and T2 MP is an endurance trial, and if you cut them I wouldn't even notice, but is it fair to take that away from people who might come to Nats to play those, if, for whatever reason, one of those is their favorite category? Even if people only play them to get a better chance at prizes or to make other people suffer, they are longstanding categories. If anything, taking them off tournament for next season would be the way to go; not this Nats when people have already gone to tournaments and built MP decks and such.

As much as I would like to see the largest pool of players playing a category possible, the fact is if you offer T1 anything concurrently with T2 anything, you will always get that split of T1 players playing T1 and T2 playing T2. So there will always be that dilution. Furthermore, Nats is already effectively a pre-determined event, with the same people playing the same things over and over. The attendance shrinks when you isolate people (either by location or otherwise), so attempting to force people to play an event (T1 2p) they either don't want to play, or sit out instead, will isolate those people.

We don't need 100% of our existing players to play the most popular category (T1 2p). What we do need is more players.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Mr.Hiatus on April 01, 2019, 07:37:18 PM
T1 2P should not be on Thursday, that seems to be a majority consensus so far. After reading the last comments I came to a conclusion, most of you like my proposed schedule and just resaid it lol.
MasterQ- Iím a huge type 2 player and pretty good in t2 multi, but I would play t1 2p over t2 mp any day, and most t2íers would probably feel the same. The same people play the same thing over and over again because the schedule has never hanged minus one year. The fact that this topic is brought up every year and there was serious debate over it last year, just started too late, it might have changed. I agree we need more players but since that is not an immediate solution and is out of some peopleís hands, the only variable we can control is the schedule. At least put it up to a vote.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Crashfach2002 on April 06, 2019, 11:13:14 AM
Sorry everyone,

Life has been super busy this last several weeks and will be pretty busy this week as well.  But I hope to try to get an official category schedule, goals for free categories/food, hotel info and other things soon!
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Crashfach2002 on April 09, 2019, 09:25:19 PM
Please check the first 2 posts as I have finally been able to add some information for you guys!
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: The Guardian on April 10, 2019, 02:10:21 AM
Do you have a specific list of cards you're willing to sell to reach the goals?
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: EmJayBee83 on April 10, 2019, 05:20:52 AM
Please check the first 2 posts as I have finally been able to add some information for you guys!
Hey Chris, I think you have a miscalculation in your goals...

3) Free meal plan (This will include Breakfast and Lunch)  $600

I figure about $5 a meal x 6 for 100 people.
$5 x 6 x 100 = $3000.

I'm not trying to be a buzzkill, but it is better to catch this early rather than ending up having you potentially out $2400.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Crashfach2002 on April 10, 2019, 09:08:39 AM
Please check the first 2 posts as I have finally been able to add some information for you guys!
Hey Chris, I think you have a miscalculation in your goals...

3) Free meal plan (This will include Breakfast and Lunch)  $600

I figure about $5 a meal x 6 for 100 people.
$5 x 6 x 100 = $3000.

I'm not trying to be a buzzkill, but it is better to catch this early rather than ending up having you potentially out $2400.

Thanks!  That is a large difference.  Not sure how that happened!  Thanks for letting me know!

Do you have a specific list of cards you're willing to sell to reach the goals?

I will update my thread and post a link here as well.  But the one I have currently would be at least 95% accurate.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: TheHobbit on April 10, 2019, 10:43:05 AM
math is hardd
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Crashfach2002 on April 10, 2019, 11:05:11 AM
math is hardd

It is sometimes!  I even have a degree that is basically just math.  But for some reason, I can't do simple math!  :P


Guys, since I miscalculated the food cost I would be willing to adjust the goals.  So if we raise enough money to have free open categories and free closed categories for new and young players, but not quite enough for the free food, I'll be switching the goals to maximize the opportunity for free stuff!
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: goalieking87 on April 10, 2019, 12:19:19 PM
math is hardd

As I always like to say, there are three types of people in this world:  Those who are good at math, and those who arenít.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: jesse on April 10, 2019, 12:33:34 PM
math is hardd

As I always like to say, there are three types of people in this world:  Those who are good at math, and those who arenít.

  :rollin:
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Crashfach2002 on April 17, 2019, 06:01:55 PM
The selling post in updated in Market with a link in the first post of this page.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Sean on April 18, 2019, 09:21:20 AM
Do we have an idea of when the tournament schedule will be finalized? 
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Crashfach2002 on April 18, 2019, 09:49:22 AM
Do we have an idea of when the tournament schedule will be finalized?

We have been discussing this.  I'll double check where we are.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: thecoolguy on April 18, 2019, 12:34:27 PM
Do we know what the promos for the winners are?
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: EmJayBee83 on April 18, 2019, 12:47:53 PM
Do we know what the promos for the winners are?
A new car!  (If Chris can find a sponsor.)
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: thecoolguy on April 18, 2019, 12:58:23 PM
that would be amazing  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: thecoolguy on April 18, 2019, 12:59:40 PM
I feel we. should have christian martyr as one of the winners promos :P
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Sean on April 18, 2019, 01:04:02 PM
I would prefer not to have evil cards as winner promos.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Kevinthedude on April 18, 2019, 01:16:22 PM
I would prefer not to have evil cards as winner promos.

Why not? I need full border versions of all my dominants, not just the good ones!
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Sean on April 18, 2019, 01:34:05 PM
Just seems a little odd to me to have an evil promo for rescuing the most Lost Souls.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: thecoolguy on April 18, 2019, 01:36:18 PM
we already have falling away as one why not let the people have change at having all their doms borderless?
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: The Guardian on April 18, 2019, 02:02:25 PM
Just seems a little odd to me to have an evil promo for rescuing the most Lost Souls.

If it's any consolation, the evil promo last year (borderless version of the new Falling Away) was the "second place" promo.

Basically for the past 3 years, we've had three special promos for those who place at Nationals or in RNRS. Winner would get all 3, second place would get two of them and third place would receive one.

2016:
1st Son of God
2nd Captain of the Host
3rd Angel of the Lord

2017:
1st Son of God
2nd Michael
3rd Angel of the Lord

2018:
1st Son of God
2nd Falling Away (new)
3rd Angel of the Lord

The Son of God and Angel of the Lords have used the various different artworks that we've used for those cards in the past. You can find the images for them on the Land of Redemption blog.

2019:
1st ???
2nd ???
3rd ???

 8)
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: The Guardian on April 18, 2019, 02:04:11 PM
2018 Winner promos
http://landofredemption.com/?p=8511 (http://landofredemption.com/?p=8511)
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: The Guardian on April 18, 2019, 02:07:04 PM
2017

Spoiler (hover to show)

Spoiler (hover to show)

Spoiler (hover to show)
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: The Guardian on April 18, 2019, 02:07:49 PM
2016

http://landofredemption.com/?p=5238 (http://landofredemption.com/?p=5238)
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: thecoolguy on April 18, 2019, 02:11:58 PM
I believe that 2016 had the best art for AotL  8) 8) 8) 8)  I love that art borderless
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Gabe on April 18, 2019, 03:05:27 PM
If Son of God is one of the participant promos it seems unlikely that we'd also give it out as a winner promo this year...  ::)

I image we will reveal them soon(tm) ;)
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: TheHobbit on April 18, 2019, 08:43:46 PM
I believe that 2016 had the best art for AotL  8) 8) 8) 8)  I love that art borderless

I defiantly  certainly somewhat respectfully *sigh*  somewhat certainly defiantly ...... ah nvm your wrong!!!! (though the hyperuninflammatory type of wrong----if, of course hyperuninflammatory was a word--  not to be confused with "your wrong!!!" which is most obviously of the inflammatory variety.). Short story long: [The AotL with all of the lightning (Godspeed777's avatar) is objeCtively***  the best****]*****.


***  If  "objeCtively" is defined to be: subjectively but with above-average, antagonizing connotations to unskilled navigators of the boards and/or the medically-underprivileged, farsighted. Used in a sentence: YWTU is an objeCtively bad deck concept. Duelin dude is objeCtively bad at redemption TheHobbit is objeCtevly taking too long to type this message and needs to do something before a NOT 40 page, Flamewar doesn't not, not happen over a seemingly innocent, albeit opinionated, initial, "thecoolguy" statement (I am unsure why I put his name in quotes as if he is literally not cool. I am the not cool one at this point ((or am I?")).  So I hope the coolguy---Of whom I (((may or may not have theoretically))) met in person at the type 2 only--- either wears glasses or knows how to check super small font on the board AND ((((( now I am for real digressing)))) is not not irked by an egregious butchery of English syntax and basically everything else that comes to mind at this point, namely, indecisiveness and digression disorder (((((( D.O.)))))) and basically wants to be uncool with me or decides to agree to disagree )

WARNING (partially) EDITED by  R.O.S.E.S for a subtle, yet careless, Lacking Sleep spoiler.

P.S.
 Save Que

P.S.S.:

bye,

P.S.S. Help me find the year and art of the Angel of the Lord promo I like and add it to this post? followed by a Warning statement: First of Eighteen warnings; Serious infraction of Section 1 (sub-paragraph beta gamma) of the forums brevity laws.

P.S.S.S.

bye #2

P.S.S.S.S.

 OR delete or move this post if you do not want to scare people away from coming to nationals. But only if it is with a suspiciously, passive-aggressive, yet genuinely, disturbed attitude.
 
 



**** actually do not read any of the small font if you are either standing up and/or have no time on your hands

***** any use of  "*"  in this post is indicative of an "explanation" coming later and not any weird multiplication of words and stuff. 
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: thecoolguy on April 19, 2019, 01:54:50 PM
Dude my man I was at the T2 only and plus it was only an opinion I was saying because it works best with the sleeves I have I am sorry if I offended you but saying some on is wrong hurts a bit. I just wanted to share an opinion. ( btw I was 6 foot brown hair and played the combo deck w/ Palestine.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: The Guardian on April 19, 2019, 02:19:45 PM
Dude my man I was at the T2 only and plus it was only an opinion I was saying because it works best with the sleeves I have I am sorry if I offended you but saying some on is wrong hurts a bit. I just wanted to share an opinion. ( btw I was 6 foot brown hair and played the combo deck w/ Palestine.

He was just messing with you man  ;)

He was making fun of people on the internet (not you) who get uptight about subjective topics (i.e. which AotL art is best?) that don't have a "right" or "wrong" answer.  8)
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: thecoolguy on April 19, 2019, 02:24:38 PM
Akkkkkkkk I am so sorry I didnt want to make a ruckus I am so sorry  :-[ :-[
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: The Guardian on April 19, 2019, 02:55:15 PM
No need to apologize...just wanted to make sure you understood it was just Hobbit being a little goofy.  ;D
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: thecoolguy on April 19, 2019, 03:21:47 PM
ok thx for clarifying
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: goalieking87 on April 19, 2019, 05:32:01 PM
Dude my man I was at the T2 only and plus it was only an opinion I was saying because it works best with the sleeves I have I am sorry if I offended you but saying some on is wrong hurts a bit. I just wanted to share an opinion. ( btw I was 6 foot brown hair and played the combo deck w/ Palestine.

He was just messing with you man  ;)

He was making fun of people on the internet (not you) who get uptight about subjective topics (i.e. which AotL art is best?) that don't have a "right" or "wrong" answer.  8)

I was just wondering if he said ďyour wrongĒ on purpose, because it should be ďyouíre wrongĒ

If not, then the irony puts the joke back on him...

Either way, I am sure he was joking too.

 ;D
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: TheHobbit on April 19, 2019, 10:59:57 PM
Right, and some light pokes at EmJayBee's style of clarification and thoroughness. But mostly I was reminiscing about my immature discussion attempts with The Schaef, OrangeBus, Minister Polarius etc on the EZ boards. I miss the EZ boards haha we did have a lot of fun and all the "flame wars" became memes and really only came across as harsh to observers, because all the people involved viewed intense discussion as rhetorical exercises.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: EmJayBee83 on April 20, 2019, 11:36:42 AM
Right, and some light pokes at EmJayBee's style of clarification and thoroughness.
Hey! I resemble that remark!

I like your new avatar!
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Crashfach2002 on April 26, 2019, 11:14:41 PM
Alright everyone.  Big news!  ALL open categories are FREE!!!!  Schedule is up!  Please also vote for which type of booster draft you would prefer.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Lampy 2.0 on April 27, 2019, 12:48:47 AM
I know this is a dumb question, but is preregistration possible this year? If so, I'd like to do it.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: goalieking87 on April 27, 2019, 01:17:23 AM
I know this is a dumb question, but is preregistration possible this year? If so, I'd like to do it.

I am a firm believer that there is such a thing as a dumb question (although I also appreciate the sentiment of the expression that there is not).  However, this would not be one of them.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Master Q on April 28, 2019, 03:09:33 PM
MP booster is and will always be the way to go. You will not change my mind.

Free open categories! That's pretty great!
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: dermo4christ on April 30, 2019, 06:44:45 AM
Will the new participant promos be tournament legal at Nats? Meaning once you receive a set for completing a category can you put then in your deck for the next one?
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Gabe on April 30, 2019, 08:54:05 AM
Will the new participant promos be tournament legal at Nats? Meaning once you receive a set for completing a category can you put then in your deck for the next one?

Since both cards will be available prior to Nats with different art I donít see why not. But the final decision isnít up to me.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: RyanErtmer on May 03, 2019, 10:36:08 AM
If you voted for 2 player booster then you are a Liberal. Change my mind.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: The Guardian on May 03, 2019, 11:11:51 AM
If you voted for 2 player booster then you are a Liberal. Change my mind.

"Well you seem Timmy, you drafted 15 Heroes, and Johnny only drafted 3 Heroes, so we're going to give him 6 of yours..."
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: 777Godspeed on May 03, 2019, 11:17:57 AM
"... and because National Champs are so successful and in the top 1% we are gonna subsidize you by taking one of their decks and giving it to you. We are generous on their behalf."   ???

Godspeed,
Mike
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: goalieking87 on May 03, 2019, 11:43:19 AM
So, I hate politics because... well, itís political.

Anyway, while I can appreciate the humor of the comments that have been made, I do want to point out that the comments could end up inadvertently offending people. Besides hijacking the Nats thread, while I believe all of the comments so far have been in jest, it would probably be best for them not to go any further.

For clarification, I am not offended in the least.  I try to stay out of politics and am not easily offended by extremes on either side.  I am simply trying to make sure we are respectful and not create unnecessary Strife (https://thejambi.github.io/RedemptionCCGViewer/?GYXgygLgTglsCmQ).

In regard to 2P vs MP booster, I think itís interesting that 2P votes have significantly exceeded MP votes. Personally, I think more strategy is required in 2P than MP because you actually have to build a solid deck (which I am guessing is the original intent of booster) rather than just get the strongest Heroes and no defense. I also appreciate 2P from the standpoint of collection purposes because you can intentionally draft a defensive card without feeling like you are sacrificing your ability to win any games because you didnít get that mediocre offensive card that has big numbers.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Kevinthedude on May 03, 2019, 12:04:54 PM
I like 2 player booster solely because of the intrinsic flaw multi player Redemption has: you can lose without ever interacting with the winning player. In constructed this is slightly helped by dominants so you usually get at least some interaction options but in booster those basically don't exist.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Crashfach2002 on May 03, 2019, 12:31:29 PM
So far pretty good turn out on the poll that has only been up a week.  I'm going to leave it for at least another week, just to see if there is any swaying.  I'm totally fine with trying to convince other people for your side of the fence for booster, just don't do it here please!  Anyways, after this poll is done we will be voting on what sets we would like to see in booster, followed by a very interesting and possibly new feature at Nationals (after the sets)!
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Master Q on May 03, 2019, 01:15:52 PM
Even though I abhor our 'PC' culture, yes, our posts were joking. You could easily swap liberal for the other side and it could still work (maybe even more so). ;)

I made my stance on 2p vs Mp booster some time ago, so I won't go digging that up. It's just a shame that my favorite category is being warped into something else. But I won't make a big deal out of it if the majority leans that way. If both were offered it would be perfect, but I'm not too interested in making the trip to nats to play something I don't enjoy.  :2cents:
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Crashfach2002 on May 03, 2019, 01:28:06 PM
Even though I abhor our 'PC' culture, yes, our posts were joking. You could easily swap liberal for the other side and it could still work (maybe even more so). ;)

I made my stance on 2p vs Mp booster some time ago, so I won't go digging that up. It's just a shame that my favorite category is being warped into something else. But I won't make a big deal out of it if the majority leans that way. If both were offered it would be perfect, but I'm not too interested in making the trip to nats to play something I don't enjoy.  :2cents:

I'm hoping for the day where we can have both types of Booster offered.  Obviously for that to happen we would have to split it at ALL tournament levels for the RNRS points to go to the correct place.  As crazy as it is, I would actually play both boosters over the other categories.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: The Guardian on May 03, 2019, 01:31:18 PM
At one point I suggested replacing T1 MP with Booster MP (and thus offering both 2P and MP Booster).

I don't dislike T1 MP like some do, but I do think Booster MP would be the more popular category of the two.
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: Master Q on May 04, 2019, 11:14:05 AM
Quote from: Crashfach2002
As crazy as it is, I would actually play both boosters over the other categories.

Not crazy, because I would do the same. And I know at least one other person who would as well, so there must be others. :thumbup:
Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: TheHobbit on May 04, 2019, 04:03:46 PM
If you voted for 2 player booster then you are a Liberal. Change my mind.

Jehoshaphat....Imo, 2-player booster is better when there are inexperienced players in the field, and multi boost is better when everyone knows what to do (and can remember what to do Ryan). If that doesn't change your mind I'll your dip your Leviathan collection in Tartaros  sauce and make you eat it.





Title: Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
Post by: RyanErtmer on May 14, 2019, 08:20:25 PM
If you voted for 2 player booster then you are a Liberal. Change my mind.

Jehoshaphat....Imo, 2-player booster is better when there are inexperienced players in the field, and multi boost is better when everyone knows what to do (and can remember what to do Ryan). If that doesn't change your mind I'll your dip your Leviathan collection in Tartaros  sauce and make you eat it.

Sounds tasty bring it on!