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Author Topic: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)  (Read 2865 times)

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2019, 08:29:29 AM »
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Justin, I like your point about not cutting a T2 category since everything else is T1. Also, I liked Nathan’s point of pairing T2 MP with T1 2P.
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To compare type 2 to other lesser played categories isn’t even fair. My entire post is about maximizing type 1 2P. Obviously the most popular category, and easiest to get into, is T1 2P and that goes up against T2 2P every year, naturally there are going to be way less people playing. Take the number of players from the only nationals where they were split and you’ll hopefully see a more accurate representation.

Eliminating categories outright is also a very dramatic response. Majority of tournaments, including states and even some regionals, do not even offer T2 MP because the lack of players, or only 3 show up because they automatically get prizes so long as they check a deck in. Having these formats available still allows for schedule diversification and makes for unique tournaments, see the T2 only. Eliminating T2 2P from nationals being one of your schedule proposals kind of takes away from the purpose of my post and the current discussion.
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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2019, 09:18:01 AM »
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I know there aren't a lot of total players but has it ever been considered to have the National Tournament for T1 and T2 separate from each other?
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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2019, 09:28:59 AM »
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I know there aren't a lot of total players but has it ever been considered to have the National Tournament for T1 and T2 separate from each other?

For a lot of people, one of the main reasons they attend Nationals is the chance to see people they usually only see once a year (at Nationals), and something like this would completely take that away. While some might be able to afford attending both, the majority would not be able to do that.
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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2019, 09:30:57 AM »
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I totally get that, just throwing out an idea.
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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #29 on: April 01, 2019, 10:50:01 AM »
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To compare type 2 to other lesser played categories isn’t even fair. My entire post is about maximizing type 1 2P. Obviously the most popular category, and easiest to get into, is T1 2P and that goes up against T2 2P every year, naturally there are going to be way less people playing. Take the number of players from the only nationals where they were split and you’ll hopefully see a more accurate representation.
I guess I don't understand what you mean by "lesser played categories."  Going back 10 years T2-2P has lower attendance than Sealed every single year (usually by large margins). Yet you said you would be fine with killing sealed. T2-2P has topped T1-MP player count twice in the past 10 years. On this T1-2P and T2-2P were separated in 2017 and T2-2P had fewer players (24) than both Sealed (28) and T1-MP (26) even though those two events were scheduled against each other on Saturday.

If events need to be killed just kill them, but any recognized categories should to be part of Nats. (There should also be an agreement on the criteria to decide which events to eliminate.) If such winnowing is needed, my preference would be this occurs following this years Nats. That preference is based on nothing more than mawkish sentimentality, however. It just kind of stinks to have category termination tied to the tournament that should be focused on celebrating the 25th Anniversary of the games.

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #30 on: April 01, 2019, 10:57:32 AM »
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It just kind of stinks to have category termination tied to the tournament that should be focused on celebrating the 25th Anniversary of the games.

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #31 on: April 01, 2019, 12:43:21 PM »
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My vote for arrangement would be:

T1 2-player/T2 Multi/Type A

T2 2 player/T1 Multi/Sealed

Teams/2-player Booster/Multi Booster


Benefits are:

-People who want to T1 both events can
-People who want to T2 both events can
-A multi format each day for this who prefer that
-A 2-player format each day for those who prefer that
-2 days of non constructed for those who prefer that or don’t have competitive collections

I’m sure there will still be players that have their favorites paired, but I think this should be good for a lot of people.
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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #32 on: April 01, 2019, 05:35:42 PM »
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I like Kors list but would consider flipping booster multi with t2 multi
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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2019, 05:50:36 PM »
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I like Kors list but would consider flipping booster multi with t2 multi

Actually I think I like that better too.
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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #34 on: April 01, 2019, 06:06:15 PM »
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That provides a sealed, 1v1 and multi category every day. It also means T2 only players wouldn’t have to come Thursday and could save money and vacation time.

Although the major draw back is that the biggest event ends up on Thursday. You might have to flip Thursday Friday and then you lose the benefit for t2 players. (TBF they aren’t the majority though)
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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #35 on: April 01, 2019, 06:16:22 PM »
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All I care about is that T1 is not on Thursday again. There are people that can't take enough days off to make Thursday and people that can't justify coming to Nats if they can't play T1 and those groups of people overlap. Putting T1 on Thursday is just a surefire way to guarantee a smaller attendance.

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #36 on: April 01, 2019, 06:23:17 PM »
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And then the MP Booster Draft/2P Booster Draft/Teams Booster Draft Nats emerges to save the world! (and destroy people's wallets) 8)

Relating to scheduling, I agree that T1 MP is the devil and T2 MP is an endurance trial, and if you cut them I wouldn't even notice, but is it fair to take that away from people who might come to Nats to play those, if, for whatever reason, one of those is their favorite category? Even if people only play them to get a better chance at prizes or to make other people suffer, they are longstanding categories. If anything, taking them off tournament for next season would be the way to go; not this Nats when people have already gone to tournaments and built MP decks and such.

As much as I would like to see the largest pool of players playing a category possible, the fact is if you offer T1 anything concurrently with T2 anything, you will always get that split of T1 players playing T1 and T2 playing T2. So there will always be that dilution. Furthermore, Nats is already effectively a pre-determined event, with the same people playing the same things over and over. The attendance shrinks when you isolate people (either by location or otherwise), so attempting to force people to play an event (T1 2p) they either don't want to play, or sit out instead, will isolate those people.

We don't need 100% of our existing players to play the most popular category (T1 2p). What we do need is more players.
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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #37 on: April 01, 2019, 07:37:18 PM »
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T1 2P should not be on Thursday, that seems to be a majority consensus so far. After reading the last comments I came to a conclusion, most of you like my proposed schedule and just resaid it lol.
MasterQ- I’m a huge type 2 player and pretty good in t2 multi, but I would play t1 2p over t2 mp any day, and most t2’ers would probably feel the same. The same people play the same thing over and over again because the schedule has never hanged minus one year. The fact that this topic is brought up every year and there was serious debate over it last year, just started too late, it might have changed. I agree we need more players but since that is not an immediate solution and is out of some people’s hands, the only variable we can control is the schedule. At least put it up to a vote.
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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2019, 11:13:14 AM »
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Sorry everyone,

Life has been super busy this last several weeks and will be pretty busy this week as well.  But I hope to try to get an official category schedule, goals for free categories/food, hotel info and other things soon!

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2019, 09:25:19 PM »
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Please check the first 2 posts as I have finally been able to add some information for you guys!

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2019, 02:10:21 AM »
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Do you have a specific list of cards you're willing to sell to reach the goals?
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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #41 on: April 10, 2019, 05:20:52 AM »
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Please check the first 2 posts as I have finally been able to add some information for you guys!
Hey Chris, I think you have a miscalculation in your goals...

3) Free meal plan (This will include Breakfast and Lunch)  $600

I figure about $5 a meal x 6 for 100 people.
$5 x 6 x 100 = $3000.

I'm not trying to be a buzzkill, but it is better to catch this early rather than ending up having you potentially out $2400.

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #42 on: April 10, 2019, 09:08:39 AM »
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Please check the first 2 posts as I have finally been able to add some information for you guys!
Hey Chris, I think you have a miscalculation in your goals...

3) Free meal plan (This will include Breakfast and Lunch)  $600

I figure about $5 a meal x 6 for 100 people.
$5 x 6 x 100 = $3000.

I'm not trying to be a buzzkill, but it is better to catch this early rather than ending up having you potentially out $2400.

Thanks!  That is a large difference.  Not sure how that happened!  Thanks for letting me know!

Do you have a specific list of cards you're willing to sell to reach the goals?

I will update my thread and post a link here as well.  But the one I have currently would be at least 95% accurate.

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #43 on: April 10, 2019, 10:43:05 AM »
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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #44 on: April 10, 2019, 11:05:11 AM »
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math is hardd

It is sometimes!  I even have a degree that is basically just math.  But for some reason, I can't do simple math!  :P


Guys, since I miscalculated the food cost I would be willing to adjust the goals.  So if we raise enough money to have free open categories and free closed categories for new and young players, but not quite enough for the free food, I'll be switching the goals to maximize the opportunity for free stuff!

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #45 on: April 10, 2019, 12:19:19 PM »
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math is hardd

As I always like to say, there are three types of people in this world:  Those who are good at math, and those who aren’t.

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #46 on: April 10, 2019, 12:33:34 PM »
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math is hardd

As I always like to say, there are three types of people in this world:  Those who are good at math, and those who aren’t.

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #47 on: April 17, 2019, 06:01:55 PM »
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The selling post in updated in Market with a link in the first post of this page.

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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #48 on: April 18, 2019, 09:21:20 AM »
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Do we have an idea of when the tournament schedule will be finalized? 
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Re: The 25th Redemption CCG National Tournament (01-03 Aug 2019, TN)
« Reply #49 on: April 18, 2019, 09:49:22 AM »
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Do we have an idea of when the tournament schedule will be finalized?

We have been discussing this.  I'll double check where we are.