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Title: The 2018 Community Created Card: Card art voting! Just a couple hours left!
Post by: The Guardian on March 04, 2018, 10:59:04 PM
Hey guys! Sorry about the delay in getting an update...so we've hit a bit of a snag. We believe that the great looking art that Gabe found is not public domain. While we cannot determine who owns the copyright, we believe there is a very good possibility there is a copyright.

So...we need some more art submissions before we're ready to present Rapha. If we have several good ones we'll do a vote for that as well.

In better news, keep an eye on LandofRedemption.com for a spoiler about something new we're introducing with the set this year!  8)

UPDATE: Please see Gabe's post below for previews of the various options.

The piece submitted by MJB does not have a preview as further research is needed to ascertain if it is indeed a public domain piece.

This round of voting will go until about 4 pm CST on Friday. At that time, any option with less than 20% of the vote will be eliminated and people who voted for those options can change their vote to a remaining option. Once we see how many options remain, I'll determine how long the next round will last.  8)

Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Gabe on March 05, 2018, 02:59:46 AM
I like the piece that Isaac shared. I have three four others that we can consider too. I'm going to display the suggestions on a full art rendering of the card below.

The piece Isaac found by Pier Francesco Mola
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This one is by Angelo Bronzino.
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A suggested piece by Bartolomeo Pinelli
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Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: ChristianSoldier on March 05, 2018, 03:49:25 AM
Of those four, I think I like the fourth one best. In order for me, 4, 1, 3, 2.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Xonathan on March 05, 2018, 03:54:53 AM
Three FTW
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Watchman on March 05, 2018, 07:04:05 AM
#3 by Fugel
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: jbeers285 on March 05, 2018, 07:21:09 AM
4, 2, 1, 3

My thoughts
4 captures experience and might
2 is interesting to look at
1 very cool to look at I'm not sure it grabs "Rapha" for me I don't picture a giant being an archer, seem more like a hand to hand combat kind of guy.
3 feels like a distinct Goliath Piece to me (an under armored Goliath) and his mad face without the full battle context seems awkward to me

This is totally my opinion and I wouldn't be disappointed with any of these options
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 05, 2018, 08:08:26 AM
What about this...

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Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: sepjazzwarrior on March 05, 2018, 08:28:20 AM
#1
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Jeremystair on March 05, 2018, 09:10:18 AM
#4 by Angelo Bronzino.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Ironisaac on March 05, 2018, 09:26:08 AM
#1 is still my favorite, but #2 and the one MJB posted are both pretty sweet too. love that style on those two.

1
MJB's (i guess i'll call it #5 from now on)
2
4
3
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Daniel on March 05, 2018, 09:38:16 AM
My submission is this piece by Francesco Hayez

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Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Gabe on March 05, 2018, 10:04:22 AM
My submission is this piece by Francesco Hayez

Spoiler (hover to show)

We just used that piece on Samson in CoW.

Spoiler (hover to show)
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: JonathanW on March 05, 2018, 10:27:44 AM
#1 by far
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: kariusvega on March 05, 2018, 10:40:02 AM
I like Gabe's #4 the best but here is another by Goya

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Colossus_(painting)#/media/File%3AEl_coloso.jpg (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Colossus_(painting)#/media/File%3AEl_coloso.jpg) it would be cropped obviously
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Daniel on March 05, 2018, 10:40:31 AM
We just used that piece on Samson in CoW.
In that case, I strongly support #4.

(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flandofredemption.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F03%2FRapha3.png&hash=362ddfd9a3952fcd27d2215a02e639b22d3fafe5)
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: The Guardian on March 05, 2018, 10:47:04 AM
I have added a poll and kept the option to change your vote if I add more options.  8)
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: The Guardian on March 05, 2018, 10:50:25 AM
I like Gabe's #4 the best but here is another by Goya

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Colossus_(painting)#/media/File%3AEl_coloso.jpg (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Colossus_(painting)#/media/File%3AEl_coloso.jpg) it would be cropped obviously

That dude needs some pants!  ;D
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: The Guardian on March 05, 2018, 11:11:05 AM
What about this...

Spoiler (hover to show)

MJB, are you able to confirm if this piece is public domain?
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Daniel on March 05, 2018, 11:16:50 AM
What about this...

Spoiler (hover to show)

MJB, are you able to confirm if this piece is public domain?

Looks like it is (https://pxhere.com/en/photo/503956)
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Gabe on March 05, 2018, 11:29:06 AM
What about this...

Spoiler (hover to show)

MJB, are you able to confirm if this piece is public domain?

Looks like it is (https://pxhere.com/en/photo/503956)

It looks like someone added some red splashes and black scratches to what it probably a picture with a copyright on it. I don't think that makes it PD, even if you post it in a website to share it.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 05, 2018, 02:18:55 PM
What about this...

Spoiler (hover to show)

MJB, are you able to confirm if this piece is public domain?

Looks like it is (https://pxhere.com/en/photo/503956)

It looks like someone added some red splashes and black scratches to what it probably a picture with a copyright on it. I don't think that makes it PD, even if you post it in a website to share it.
It is on a web site that requires posters to grant world wide free distribution rights to any images they upload. It is possible that the original poster has misrepresented there ownership.

On the other hand, can you warrant that the Oriental Warrior image provided as #1 is not an unauthorized replication of this image https://www.photo.rmn.fr/archive/09-577013-2C6NU0KJUTQL.html (https://www.photo.rmn.fr/archive/09-577013-2C6NU0KJUTQL.html)  for which licensing is required?
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: kariusvega on March 05, 2018, 02:40:24 PM
I like the piece that Isaac shared. I have three others that we can consider too. I'm going to display the suggestions on a full art rendering of the card below.

The piece Isaac found by Pier Francesco Mola
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A hybrid piece by R. R. MacIan and Pieter Schoubroeck
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A crop of Goliath from a piece by Gebhardt Fugel.
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This one is by Angelo Bronzino.
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Is this spoiling that this card will be full art?? :-)
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: JonathanW on March 05, 2018, 02:42:55 PM
I like the piece that Isaac shared. I have three others that we can consider too. I'm going to display the suggestions on a full art rendering of the card below.

The piece Isaac found by Pier Francesco Mola
Spoiler (hover to show)

A hybrid piece by R. R. MacIan and Pieter Schoubroeck
Spoiler (hover to show)

A crop of Goliath from a piece by Gebhardt Fugel.
Spoiler (hover to show)

This one is by Angelo Bronzino.
Spoiler (hover to show)

Is this spoiling that this card will be full art?? :-)

I hope so. No reason any card shouldn't be full art imho...
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Gabe on March 05, 2018, 03:47:10 PM
On the other hand, can you warrant that the Oriental Warrior image provided as #1 is not an unauthorized replication of this image https://www.photo.rmn.fr/archive/09-577013-2C6NU0KJUTQL.html (https://www.photo.rmn.fr/archive/09-577013-2C6NU0KJUTQL.html)  for which licensing is required?

Pier Francesco Mola lived in the 1600's. As such his work is in the public domain. It's not at all uncommon for businesses and websites to offer PD pieces for a premium cost. I don't speak whatever language is used on the website you linked, but I've seen enough like it to assume that is what they are doing. I have no concerns about using the Pier piece on Rapha or another card.

Is this spoiling that this card will be full art?? :-)

I'd like to see promos done in full art going forward instead of using the gold border. But it's not just up to me.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Gabe on March 05, 2018, 03:59:24 PM
I've added a 5th option to post #3. This one is by Mihály Kovács.

On the other hand, can you warrant that the Oriental Warrior image provided as #1 is not an unauthorized replication of this image https://www.photo.rmn.fr/archive/09-577013-2C6NU0KJUTQL.html (https://www.photo.rmn.fr/archive/09-577013-2C6NU0KJUTQL.html)  for which licensing is required?

Pier Francesco Mola lived in the 1600's. As such his work is in the public domain. It's not at all uncommon for businesses and websites to offer PD pieces for a premium cost. I don't speak whatever language is used on the website you linked, but I've seen enough like it to assume that is what they are doing. I have no concerns about using the Pier piece on Rapha or another card.

Is this spoiling that this card will be full art?? :-)

I'd like to see promos done in full art going forward instead of using the gold border. But it's not just up to me.
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Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: The Guardian on March 05, 2018, 04:14:57 PM
Submission has been added.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 05, 2018, 05:29:02 PM
On the other hand, can you warrant that the Oriental Warrior image provided as #1 is not an unauthorized replication of this image https://www.photo.rmn.fr/archive/09-577013-2C6NU0KJUTQL.html (https://www.photo.rmn.fr/archive/09-577013-2C6NU0KJUTQL.html)  for which licensing is required?

Pier Francesco Mola lived in the 1600's. As such his work is in the public domain. It's not at all uncommon for businesses and websites to offer PD pieces for a premium cost. I don't speak whatever language is used on the website you linked, but I've seen enough like it to assume that is what they are doing. I have no concerns about using the Pier piece on Rapha or another card.
The Pier Francesco Mola piece belongs to the permanent collection of the Louvre. The Louvre rules state that "Artworks in the permanent collection exhibition rooms may be photographed or filmed for private use by the operator."  The Louvre does provide a professional images, which I linked to earlier, but they note, "N. B.: images may be reproduced for private use only." They also provide a legal means of licensing their content.

The art itself may be public domain, but the claim is that the photographic representation is not.

Reference: https://www.louvre.fr/en/how-use-louvre/visitor-regulations (https://www.louvre.fr/en/how-use-louvre/visitor-regulations)


Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: JonathanW on March 05, 2018, 05:32:48 PM
I wish we could just hire a full time artist....
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: NathanW on March 05, 2018, 05:41:57 PM
I wish we could just hire a full time artist....

Heck even a freelancer :P although full blown art would be a more expensive freelance proposition.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: JonathanW on March 05, 2018, 05:47:23 PM
I wish we could just hire a full time artist....

Heck even a freelancer :P although full blown art would be a more expensive freelance proposition.

Yeah, Redemption isn't getting dedicated designers for a looooooong time lol....
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: kariusvega on March 05, 2018, 05:49:32 PM
i love the classical art. i used to love the comic like artwork, but the classic art has become my favorite.

it's so holy looking and epic- like the Bronzino

it really is priceless.. thankful we can use it as public domain
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: JonathanW on March 05, 2018, 05:53:29 PM
i love the classical art. i used to love the comic like artwork, but the classic art has become my favorite.

it's so holy looking and epic- like the Bronzino

it really is priceless.. thankful we can use it as public domain

I love the classical art as well. It seems as time goes by it gets harder and harder to find new (old) art.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: kariusvega on March 05, 2018, 06:18:22 PM
i love the classical art. i used to love the comic like artwork, but the classic art has become my favorite.

it's so holy looking and epic- like the Bronzino

it really is priceless.. thankful we can use it as public domain

I love the classical art as well. It seems as time goes by it gets harder and harder to find new (old) art.

haha the funny thing about that statement is that the reality is the opposite
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: JonathanW on March 05, 2018, 06:19:28 PM
i love the classical art. i used to love the comic like artwork, but the classic art has become my favorite.

it's so holy looking and epic- like the Bronzino

it really is priceless.. thankful we can use it as public domain

I love the classical art as well. It seems as time goes by it gets harder and harder to find new (old) art.

haha the funny thing about that statement is that the reality is the opposite

Hmmm, yeah, I suppose so...
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Gabe on March 05, 2018, 07:01:26 PM
Kariusvega is correct. As the internet and digital capabilities grow it’s become increasingly easier to find good quality art for well know people and events. The challenge is finding usable stuff for the less know people and events.

Giants must not have been popular in the past because there’s very little art for them outside of the story of Goliath.

For those voting, do not hesitate to vote on the Mola piece if that's your favorite. We're able to use it and you won't waste a vote.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: NathanW on March 06, 2018, 02:07:58 PM
http://images.nga.gov/?service=asset&action=show_zoom_window_popup&language=en&asset=138101&location=grid&asset_list=138101&basket_item_id=undefined (http://images.nga.gov/?service=asset&action=show_zoom_window_popup&language=en&asset=138101&location=grid&asset_list=138101&basket_item_id=undefined)
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third guy from left. He looks larger than the rest :P
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Gabe on March 06, 2018, 04:00:06 PM
To give an accurate perspective I've added a full art rending of the Bartolomeo Pinelli piece on post #3. It's currently the bottom option.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Kevinthedude on March 06, 2018, 04:04:48 PM
To give an accurate perspective I've added a full art rending of the Bartolomeo Pinelli piece on post #3. It's currently the bottom option.

Edited by R.O.S.E.S

Nothing to see here... 8)
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: NathanW on March 06, 2018, 04:06:58 PM
I think given that there were 2 pieces added recently a new thread should be created so we can vote fresh.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Jonesy on March 06, 2018, 04:08:55 PM
We should just use this :)

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Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Crashfach2002 on March 06, 2018, 04:18:37 PM
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1280&bih=918&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=mAKfWpDKF4z4jwSCube4DA&q=andre+the+giant&oq=andre+the&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0l10.48756.50397.0.51960.9.7.0.2.2.0.86.547.7.7.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.9.572...0i67k1j0i10i67k1.0.lHyJDDMEl-A#imgrc=Ue4TPJ0BdWuruM: (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1280&bih=918&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=mAKfWpDKF4z4jwSCube4DA&q=andre+the+giant&oq=andre+the&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0l10.48756.50397.0.51960.9.7.0.2.2.0.86.547.7.7.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.9.572...0i67k1j0i10i67k1.0.lHyJDDMEl-A#imgrc=Ue4TPJ0BdWuruM:)

We should just use this :)

This would get my vote!
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Gabe on March 06, 2018, 04:22:12 PM
I think given that there were 2 pieces added recently a new thread should be created so we can vote fresh.

Justin made it so you can change your vote. Another do over probably isn't necessary.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: The Guardian on March 06, 2018, 04:24:31 PM
+1
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Gabe on March 06, 2018, 04:28:24 PM
We should just use this :)

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FTFY
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: The Guardian on March 06, 2018, 04:30:57 PM
We should just use this :)

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FTFY

New tournament winner promo?!?  8)
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: The Guardian on March 06, 2018, 04:41:08 PM
I think given that there were 2 pieces added recently a new thread should be created so we can vote fresh.

Here's what I'll do. People can vote and change their vote for the next 72 hours. At Friday around 4 pm CST, I'll remove any option that does not have at least 20% of the vote. Once those options are removed, the people who voted for them can change their vote to a remaining option (if they wish). If only one option has more than 20% that option will be chosen.

Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 06, 2018, 04:41:53 PM
We should just use this :)

Spoiler (hover to show)
Title should be Rapha of Seine-et-Marne.

Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: NathanW on March 06, 2018, 04:49:10 PM
@The Guardian perhaps just put all of the images in the original post and put numbers with the images and voting options.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: The Guardian on March 06, 2018, 05:05:40 PM
@The Guardian perhaps just put all of the images in the original post and put numbers with the images and voting options.

I made Gabe's post #2 right below the original post (needed to remove your post Isaac, hope that's alright) so all the previews with artist names are listed.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: NathanW on March 06, 2018, 05:09:43 PM
All on board the Pinelli train!!! CHOO CHOO!
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: The Guardian on March 06, 2018, 05:14:16 PM
I'm on board, but I do wish there was a little color...
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: JonathanW on March 06, 2018, 05:21:59 PM
Why is everybody voting for the naked guy?  :o
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Gabe on March 06, 2018, 05:26:03 PM
Here's what I'll do. People can vote and change their vote for the next 72 hours. At Friday around 4 pm CST, I'll remove any option that does not have at least 20% of the vote. Once those options are removed, the people who voted for them can change their vote to a remaining option (if they wish). If only one option has more than 20% that option will be chosen.

Does this mean that submissions for new art pieces is closed?
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 06, 2018, 05:26:53 PM
"Piece submitted by MJB" should be Werner.

https://pixabay.com/en/soldier-spear-war-armor-helmet-1640915 (https://pixabay.com/en/soldier-spear-war-armor-helmet-1640915)
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: The Guardian on March 06, 2018, 05:40:55 PM
Here's what I'll do. People can vote and change their vote for the next 72 hours. At Friday around 4 pm CST, I'll remove any option that does not have at least 20% of the vote. Once those options are removed, the people who voted for them can change their vote to a remaining option (if they wish). If only one option has more than 20% that option will be chosen.

Does this mean that submissions for new art pieces is closed?

Not necessarily, but a new submission would need to reach 20% of the vote by the Friday deadline (in other words, if someone finds an amazing piece that everybody loves enough to switch their vote then it could certainly be in the mix).
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 06, 2018, 07:04:46 PM
Theodore Gericault

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Sitting at home wondering how the boys are doing.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 06, 2018, 07:10:46 PM
Wallcousins

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Carrying Lahmi home from Gezer.

Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: jbeers285 on March 06, 2018, 08:35:28 PM
Wallcousins

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Carrying Lahmi home from Gezer.

I love this one. It also kinda flows with the protection aspect. Since Lahmi would've had to leave territory to be hurt/killed.  It's a little bit grainy though any chance of getting it cleaned up a little bit?
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: NathanW on March 06, 2018, 08:48:06 PM
I think that's the art style :P
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 06, 2018, 09:17:10 PM
Wallcousins

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Carrying Lahmi home from Gezer.

I love this one. It also kinda flows with the protection aspect. Since Lahmi would've had to leave territory to be hurt/killed.  It's a little bit grainy though any chance of getting it cleaned up a little bit?
Does this (in the quoted spoiler) look better?

3-Play is correct, the style of art is more pastelly.  The one here is slightly embossed.  We could also blur to remove some graininess.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: uthminister [BR] on March 06, 2018, 10:31:07 PM
If these are going to be used in full art I think the nude (or implied nudity) images are not appropriate.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Noah on March 06, 2018, 11:46:33 PM
I would like to submit this piece.

It feels distinctly "Philistine".

I don't know if it is copyrighted or how to find that out.

I believe it is by "John Shumate".

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Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on March 07, 2018, 12:01:53 AM
I would like to submit this piece.

It feels distinctly "Philistine".

I don't know if it is copyrighted or how to find that out.

I believe it is by "John Shumate".

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I am 99% certain that it's not in the public domain.

EDIT: Found his website - I am now 100% certain that it's not in the public domain.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Noah on March 07, 2018, 12:08:40 AM
Well, at least I tried. :(
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on March 07, 2018, 12:14:39 AM
Well, at least I tried. :(

One of the reasons we like doing the Community Created Card is because it gives a glimpse into the struggles we go through as a volunteer Elder/Playtest team - Finding Art is one of the biggest time consuming things we do - Often we'll find a really sweet piece, only to realize that it's not PD - Some of us are so good we can tell you the artist of a piece just by looking at the style (And that it's not PD)
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: jbeers285 on March 07, 2018, 12:39:05 AM
Well, at least I tried. :(

One of the reasons we like doing the Community Created Card is because it gives a glimpse into the struggles we go through as a volunteer Elder/Playtest team - Finding Art is one of the biggest time consuming things we do - Often we'll find a really sweet piece, only to realize that it's not PD - Some of us are so good we can tell you the artist of a piece just by looking at the style (And that it's not PD)

- Judean mediums and some guy we are getting in the new set, where definitely done by the same artist :-)
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: NathanW on March 07, 2018, 12:39:42 AM
If these are going to be used in full art I think the nude (or implied nudity) images are not appropriate.

Are you talking about the Bronzino piece?
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: The Guardian on March 07, 2018, 01:34:57 AM
Well, at least I tried. :(

One of the reasons we like doing the Community Created Card is because it gives a glimpse into the struggles we go through as a volunteer Elder/Playtest team - Finding Art is one of the biggest time consuming things we do - Often we'll find a really sweet piece, only to realize that it's not PD - Some of us are so good we can tell you the artist of a piece just by looking at the style (And that it's not PD)

- Judean mediums and some guy we are getting in the new set, where definitely done by the same artist :-)

You mean the Marvel guy?  ;D
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Xonathan on March 07, 2018, 07:34:46 AM
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This guy? Sorry pic is big
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Red Dragon Thorn on March 07, 2018, 07:40:03 AM
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This guy? Sorry pic is big

Hmm... That art looks familiar
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Ironisaac on March 07, 2018, 10:16:57 AM
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This guy? Sorry pic is big

Hmm... That art looks familiar

#bringbackthewives He so lonely! :'(
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Gabe on March 07, 2018, 10:36:25 AM
You guys are just taunting everyone who doesn’t know what you do...  ::)
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: The Guardian on March 07, 2018, 10:46:27 AM
You guys are just taunting everyone who doesn’t know what you do...  ::)

Now there's a killer spoiler... :o
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: The Guardian on March 08, 2018, 12:45:56 PM
One more day left to vote! Entries with 20% or more of the total vote will be included for the final round of voting.

Votes may be changed during this round, but once the final round begins, all votes will be locked.  8)
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 08, 2018, 01:34:25 PM
Should the Bronzino take first, is it safe to assume that it will be cropped as Gabe's card sample showed?

Asking because the full painting kinda pushes right up to (if not over) the edge.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: NathanW on March 08, 2018, 02:34:16 PM
Should the Bronzino take first, is it safe to assume that it will be cropped as Gabe's card sample showed?

Asking because the full painting kinda pushes right up to (if not over) the edge.

imo No. If everybody was to move from the lowest 3 (3, 4 and 3 votes) to either the Mola or Pinelli piece it would overtake the Bronzino piece. Not to mention that there are currently 27 votes for a piece other than the bronzino piece. I think a vote with the Mola, Bronzino and Pinelli piece would be best at this point.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: The Guardian on March 08, 2018, 02:45:05 PM
I think you misread his question--he was just asking if Bronzino was ultimately picked, would it be cropped the same as Gabe's sample. My guess is yes.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: NathanW on March 08, 2018, 02:49:27 PM
Ah yes I misread the question.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 08, 2018, 02:50:23 PM
I think you misread his question--he was just asking if Bronzino was ultimately picked, would it be cropped the same as Gabe's sample. My guess is yes.
Thanks. That was my question.

The cropped image is fine, but the full art of the Bronzino is lewd (or pushing right to the edge of lewdness).
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Reth on March 08, 2018, 04:29:43 PM
I'd really like to see an artwork, which seamlessly fits into the existing artwork of the starter deck Phillis! Really! This would be awsome!
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: uthminister [BR] on March 08, 2018, 06:38:34 PM
The Bronzino is a depiction of the god Neptune (full image shows trident to his right) and is lewd, even as it is currently cropped. Not really comfortable with it at all. We are going to create a new promo that has as much nudity as the original Bathsheba card with I have to essentially hide from more conservative families.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: jesse on March 08, 2018, 07:23:14 PM
Does Cactus have more art from "Jamison Services Inc" of the Kings/I and J starter deck Philistines?
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: jesse on March 08, 2018, 07:30:56 PM
Oh ok. Do we know how much it would cost to buy the rights for the awesome piece that Gabe originally found?
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Jeremystair on March 08, 2018, 07:38:05 PM
The Bronzino is a depiction of the god Neptune (full image shows trident to his right) and is lewd, even as it is currently cropped. Not really comfortable with it at all. We are going to create a new promo that has as much nudity as the original Bathsheba card with I have to essentially hide from more conservative families.

He's not any different than the new Samson. I'm not sure why everyone wants Pinelli's picture it doesn't remind me of a Philistine giant at all. Don't get me wrong it's a great picture it just doesn't look like a Philistine giant to me.

(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flandofredemption.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F04%2FSamson-the_Nazirite_CoW.jpg&hash=d8bb3dad245401af4183e8c189381723371a48ed)
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Ironisaac on March 08, 2018, 08:16:52 PM
I'm not sure why everyone wants Pinelli's picture it doesn't remind me of a Philistine giant at all. Don't get me wrong it's a great picture it just doesn't look like a Philistine giant to me.

To me the lack of color makes it the least desired one of all. I look back on some of the old cards that were black and white drawings and i just think "man those look boring" I on't care how amazing the art is, if it's black and white, it gets a thumbs down.

Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Daniel on March 08, 2018, 08:28:31 PM
The Bronzino is a depiction of the god Neptune (full image shows trident to his right) and is lewd, even as it is currently cropped. Not really comfortable with it at all. We are going to create a new promo that has as much nudity as the original Bathsheba card with I have to essentially hide from more conservative families.

How conservative are we talking here? Classical art, appropriately cropped, seems wholesome and appropriate for Redemption. Is the famous painting of the Creation of Adam lewd in your opinion?
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Gabe on March 08, 2018, 08:42:52 PM
Redemption has used many, many pieces of art that if not cropped are completely inappropriate for our audience. Because of our limitation of needing free art we gravitate towards classic pieces. As best I can tell at other times nudity was very common and depicted in stories that I find surprising. We choose to use and crop these pieces in a way that is acceptable to our culture.

I’ve put the art on the mock ups as I would use it on the final version. I’m rather surprised that Travis has a problem with the Bronzino piece as it’s currently cropped. It doesn’t seem any different than Elhanan or Samson. I haven’t heard complaints about those. I guess I could crop it a little more if people feel like that would help.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: uthminister [BR] on March 08, 2018, 10:43:23 PM
It is a combination of the full art and therefore larger and easier to distinguish nuanced curves of the body, the fact that it is a promo, and in the two specific examples you gave, Elhanan was quite cartoony and Samson was depicted in a way that shows his physique as it plays to his story. The current art does not lend anything of a hint at who this guy is at all. It is a naked old guy for the sake of a naked old guy. Reminds me more of the old guys in the YMCA locker room than a Philistine giant.

I think, now that I look back at it, the other thing is that the entire card will be filled with this guys body while other cards mentioned at least had some kind of background and border to not make the entire cards focus on a guys body. A couple side notes: I would love to look like that when i am older. The guy has an epic beard. There are redeeming qualities about the artwork as it is beautiful and classical. Just not something I want to see on a full art promo card.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Gabe on March 09, 2018, 02:53:37 AM
It's interesting to me that the people who have a problem with the Bronzino piece because of "nudity" have no complaints about the Pinelli piece which shows just as much "nudity". The Greek looking guy in the Pinelli piece appears to be sitting there naked with a blanket over his lap.

Personally I think both pieces are fine. I don't see a problem with either one representing Rapha.

Reminds me more of the old guys in the YMCA locker room than a Philistine giant.

Apparently I don't spend enough time hanging out in the YMCA locker room looking at old men.  ::) ;D :laugh:
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 09, 2018, 08:03:28 AM
It's interesting to me that the people who have a problem with the Bronzino piece because of "nudity" have no complaints about the Pinelli piece which shows just as much "nudity". The Greek looking guy in the Pinelli piece appears to be sitting there naked with a blanket over his lap.
The difference for me is that the full art Brozino appears to show a bit of "junk" (in the venacular that the kids use today).  The Pinelli does not.

As mentioned above, I have no issue with the cropped Brozino for a card.

Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: TheHobbit13 on March 09, 2018, 08:38:36 AM
In the full art version it shows the cloth he has on that dips off the picture to the right. But at first I saw what you were saying about being a little low.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Red on March 09, 2018, 08:55:49 AM
I changed my vote from Fugel to Pinelli. I don't see the appeal in all the ones that doesn't stand in the vein of the older giants, but I want anything but the Bronzino piece, so I changed to the second most voted piece.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: JonathanW on March 09, 2018, 01:17:54 PM
I honestly think the Mola piece is one of the best most the top 3 at the moment. he's fully clothed and has color \o/
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: The Guardian on March 09, 2018, 01:31:09 PM
I don't mind the Mola piece, I just wish he was holding a sword or a spear rather than a bow...doesn't really strike me as "Philistine."
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: NathanW on March 09, 2018, 01:33:48 PM
I don't mind the Mola piece, I just wish he was holding a sword or a spear rather than a bow...doesn't really strike me as "Philistine."

It does support the territory class nature of the card though ;)
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 09, 2018, 01:49:48 PM
I honestly think the Mola piece is one of the best most the top 3 at the moment. he's fully clothed and has color \o/
Werner is fully clothed and has WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY more color than anyone else.

#StartTheLandslide
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: uthminister [BR] on March 09, 2018, 01:51:35 PM
I don't mind the Mola piece, I just wish he was holding a sword or a spear rather than a bow...doesn't really strike me as "Philistine."

Don't see a problem associating archers with Philistines since that is how they killed King Saul. See below:

1 Samuel 31:1-3
1Now the Philistines fought against Israel; the Israelites fled before them, and many fell dead on Mount Gilboa. 2The Philistines were in hot pursuit of Saul and his sons, and they killed his sons Jonathan, Abinadab and Malki-Shua. 3The fighting grew fierce around Saul, and when the archers overtook him, they wounded him critically.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: NathanW on March 09, 2018, 01:56:12 PM
Perhaps there should be a new Philistine Archer card  8)
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: JonathanW on March 09, 2018, 02:56:05 PM
Perhaps there should be a new Philistine Archer card  8)

he doesn't exactly look like a regular infantryman though....
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: The Guardian on March 09, 2018, 03:32:37 PM
***UPDATE***

It appears we have a three horse race.

In about 90 minutes I will remove all options except the top 3 (barring any crazy vote changes). However, because there has been a lot more recent discussion and thoughts shared, I will keep the change vote option "on" for another 24 hours so people have an opportunity to review all the discussions.

After that point, I will turn the change vote option "off" and all votes cast for the current top 3 will remain. People who had not voted (or who had voted for one of the eliminated options) will be able to vote for one of the remaining three.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 09, 2018, 04:32:49 PM
C'mon Werner.  A mere 12-13 more votes needed.

#LateLandslide
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: The Guardian on March 09, 2018, 05:24:09 PM
Options have been updated to the 3 finalists. You may change your vote within the next 24 hours, then I will turn off the change vote option.

We will then allow 72 hours for any additional votes to be cast. The submission with the highest vote count on Tuesday, 3-13 at 4:30 pm CST will be chosen. Shortly after that, we will do a full preview of Rapha of Gath so the community can playtest him along with us.  8)

Thanks for all the participation!
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Jeremystair on March 10, 2018, 08:06:13 PM
Hey everyone who is voting for Mola go change your vote to Bronzino!
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: NathanW on March 10, 2018, 08:08:24 PM
2 people recently moved from Mola to Pinelli so I think it would be safe to say generally people who voted Mola don't want Bronzino ;) I could be wrong as another possibility is that they prefer more color but also fully clothed artwork.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: The Guardian on March 10, 2018, 08:26:39 PM
Vote changing has been removed. We'll run the poll for a few more days since previously we had 49 votes (so at least a few people who had voted for one of the eliminated options have not yet re-voted).
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: NathanW on March 10, 2018, 09:29:47 PM
I'm not trying to be too judgmental about the process which I think has come along smoothly so far but does anybody else see a possible problem with a locked 3 contender vote where the piece with the lowest number of votes could be out for good but the people who voted for that piece feel left out in the final race should 2 come out as the last viable contenders?
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Gabe on March 10, 2018, 10:13:43 PM
I'm not trying to be too judgmental about the process which I think has come along smoothly so far but does anybody else see a possible problem with a locked 3 contender vote where the piece with the lowest number of votes could be out for good but the people who voted for that piece feel left out in the final race should 2 come out as the last viable contenders?

You've been invited to help create the card with the rest of the community. It comes across as rather ungrateful and even manipulating that you complain about the way we involve you in that process.

At no point will we make everyone happy with every step. I think Justin has done an excellent job of trying to make as many people happy as possible. He's taken several extra steps I would not if I were running it again this year. Sit back, enjoy the ride and be thankful that we get to do this. Problems, complains and lots of criticizing of the process will potentially make us not want to do this in the future.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: NathanW on March 10, 2018, 11:02:29 PM
I'm not trying to be too judgmental about the process which I think has come along smoothly so far but does anybody else see a possible problem with a locked 3 contender vote where the piece with the lowest number of votes could be out for good but the people who voted for that piece feel left out in the final race should 2 come out as the last viable contenders?

You've been invited to help create the card with the rest of the community. It comes across as rather ungrateful and even manipulating that you complain about the way we involve you in that process.

At no point will we make everyone happy with every step. I think Justin has done an excellent job of trying to make as many people happy as possible. He's taken several extra steps I would not if I were running it again this year. Sit back, enjoy the ride and be thankful that we get to do this. Problems, complains and lots of criticizing of the process will potentially make us not want to do this in the future.

It was not my intent to make that comment in an ungrateful, manipulative way or to complain about the process and I am sincerely sorry if anybody (especially Justin) took it that way. I'm genuinely glad the community created card exists and would never want to complain about or impede the process. That comment was a genuine concern I had about people possibly feeling left out of the final vote that I believed would be taken in a constructive and suggestive way but it seems like I was not clear enough or positive enough in the way I said it. I am very grateful for Justin leading this process and the time he has put into making sure it runs smoothly. Since it seems like the way I phrase suggestions is prone to being taken as being ungrateful or complaining I will refrain from talking about the process.
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: The Guardian on March 11, 2018, 01:17:13 AM
For the record I did not feel offended because I know you and your brothers are good dudes, and you were not attacking me personally. I have been in your position before where I had the opinion that better decisions could have been made about something, and at times I have voiced those opinions.

There was however some feelings of frustration at the suggestion that people might feel "left out" when I made it very clear several days ago that vote changing would be allowed during the first round, and would end when the final round began. I even extended the time for vote changing after the finalists were announced because there had been a lot of added discussion. I know not everyone can visit the forum every day, but throughout this process the majority of the voting has taken place within the first 48 hours of each step so I believe the timing was adequate to allow people to change their vote if they so desired.

Your criticism, while perhaps constructive in some ways, would have been better received (and considered) back when I announced the plan. Bringing it up now gives the perception that you were unsatisfied with how the results were going so you sought to change the procedure, and that's what can cause frustration for those who are facilitating a project like this (be it myself, Gabe or another Elder).
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: The Guardian on March 12, 2018, 10:43:08 AM
Just in case anyone is getting any ideas, there will not be two versions of Rapha printed in the event of a tie between the two pieces... ::)

Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 12, 2018, 10:50:10 AM
Just in case anyone is getting any ideas, there will not be two versions of Rapha printed in the event of a tie between the two pieces... ::)
C'mon everyone. We really need a tie here just to force The Guardian to come up with one last on-the-fly voting rule change!

:)

Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: The Guardian on March 12, 2018, 10:55:26 AM
Too late...I've already started thinking about the possibility so by 8:30 tonight, there will be at least 10 hours of thought going into it.  ;D
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: TheJaylor on March 12, 2018, 11:45:20 AM
Spoiler (hover to show)
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: TheHobbit13 on March 12, 2018, 02:19:27 PM
Rapha of Gath with his giant wife.. come on..  ::)
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: The Guardian on March 12, 2018, 03:23:36 PM
Too late...I've already started thinking about the possibility so by 8:30 tonight, there will be at least 10 hours of thought going into it.  ;D

I got myself mixed up, the voting actually goes until 8:30 tomorrow night.  8)
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Gabe on March 13, 2018, 11:45:44 AM
I know it's a little late, but maybe this amazing piece could take over the competition for the Rapha voting in the last few hours if Justin will let us add it.

Spoiler (hover to show)
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: NathanW on March 13, 2018, 12:07:29 PM
 :o
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Watchman on March 13, 2018, 02:43:45 PM
Instead of having both the giant and his wife in the pic can’t he just be increased to cut her out of the pic?
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: VJ on March 13, 2018, 02:54:44 PM
Instead of having both the giant and his wife in the pic can’t he just be increased to cut her out of the pic?

I have been trying to do that for years with our wedding photos.   :)
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Need Art Submissions
Post by: Watchman on March 13, 2018, 03:04:41 PM
Instead of having both the giant and his wife in the pic can’t he just be increased to cut her out of the pic?

I have been trying to do that for years with our wedding photos.   :)

Haha you mean your wife doesn’t want you in them huh? lol
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Card art voting! Just a couple hours left!
Post by: The Guardian on March 13, 2018, 05:53:45 PM
Just a few hours left! YOU could be the deciding vote!  8)
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Card art voting! Just a couple hours left!
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 13, 2018, 06:15:49 PM
Just a few hours left! YOU could be the deciding vote!  8)
That's my job!
Title: Re: The 2018 Community Created Card: Card art voting! Just a couple hours left!
Post by: The Guardian on March 14, 2018, 10:56:30 AM
Stay tuned for an official preview of Rapha of Gath!  8)
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