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jbeers285 · « **Reply #225 on:** August 13, 2012, 01:24:48 PM »

Not trying to bash MN at all just to say the some of the best players are seeing the new set months before us. It just adds to the difficulty of compete with top tier players

Chris · « **Reply #226 on:** August 13, 2012, 01:29:39 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on August 13, 2012, 01:19:43 PM

The bottom line here is that Cactus has higher priorities at the moment. As much as we like to think Cactus revolves around us, Rob has already made it clear that he makes little to no profit off Redemption. The board games pay his bills, which means they have priority.

We will have the new set around, or just after, the holidays. I always buy my Christmas presents after Christmas anyway, when they're cheaper.

While there are definitely complaints about the new set being delayed, I think most people understand why that is, even if they're not happy about it. However, that's not really the issue at hand here. All of the Elders have access to the new set right now, and it just happens that most of those Elders (Jordan, Gabe, Earley, Underwood, etc) are solid players. It's also very true that several non-playtesters, mostly in MN (due to the concentration of Elders there), also have access to the new cards right now. While I'm not overly annoyed by it and while I'm not convinced there's an advantage at top tournaments (four months is more than enough time to build decks, in my opinion), it does seem a little unfair to the rest of us, especially to the playgroup that just made a strong showing at Nats and has more than a few active members.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #227 on:** August 13, 2012, 01:58:00 PM »

I disagree with pretty much every post that the PA group has made here, fwiw.

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #228 on:** August 13, 2012, 02:10:08 PM »

There are a good number of good players all over the country who do not have access to the new cards and will not until they are released. I don't see a reason to automatically make national winners privy to new set information before anyone else. I am glad the PA group did well - don't get me wrong - but Rob will decide when to release the car information to everyone, whether it is before the set releases or not he will decide.

Also I would argue that getting new cards in January gives players plenty of time to make great decks for the big tourneys. In college I wouldn't play after nationals until April or so and I would still consistently win regionals and place at nationals.

And no I have not seen/heard any information about the new set besides what is posted in this thread. And neither have quite a few others that have done extremely well the past couple of seasons in Ohio and Wisconsin, the last two Redemption states I have lived in.

Kirk

Chris · « **Reply #229 on:** August 13, 2012, 02:12:29 PM »

For what it's worth, I was under the impression more people in the MN playgroups got access to the new cards. This view has since been corrected, so I rescind my original arguments, though I still think the playtester base should be expanded.

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #230 on:** August 13, 2012, 02:19:06 PM »

That is fair Chris - thank you for your post.

I would also agree it would be a helpful thing if there were one representative from many playgroups across the country who were approached about cards weigh in. Different regions see different decks and strategies.

Kirk

TechnoEthicist · « **Reply #231 on:** August 13, 2012, 02:22:45 PM »

Quote from: Captain Kirk on August 13, 2012, 02:19:06 PM

That is fair Chris - thank you for your post.

I would also agree it would be a helpful thing if there were one representative from many playgroups across the country who were approached about cards weigh in. Different regions see different decks and strategies.

Kirk

Before this gets off on tangent that I was not meaning to take it down, this was my claim. That was all. All other comments have been responded to with PM to prevent further derail, apologies...

Chris · « **Reply #232 on:** August 13, 2012, 02:23:33 PM »

Quote from: Captain Kirk on August 13, 2012, 02:19:06 PM

That is fair Chris - thank you for your post.

I would also agree it would be a helpful thing if there were one representative from many playgroups across the country who were approached about cards weigh in. Different regions see different decks and strategies.

Kirk

I agree, and would encourage you to post your comments in Westy's thread in Off-Topic. I'm also going to have to ask you to take down your sig.

Mr.Hiatus · « **Reply #233 on:** August 13, 2012, 02:27:05 PM »

I like Kirk's last post, but this other one, is one a little out there.
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espite being perhaps the most active group on the boards outside of MN (myself, Brad, Alex, Marti, Shawn, Blake, Dayne, the Beers brothers, etc.). If I'm understanding him correctly, his complaint is that despite our active contributions and admittedly impressive display at Nats (three out of the four people we brought to Nats won a title, and the fourth won second in a category), we have zero say in the new set, which I agree is a shame.

So one good year at Nationals and PA guys should have access to the new set? Yet you are complaining about MN seeing it early, now you want to? So it would only be, under your impression, PA and MN seeing the set early because you guys do better at Nationals? This is how it sounds from your standpoint. PA did great at nats, but one good year should not have a player saying they need access early because, supposedly, another state gains access early. Everyone has plenty of time, besides nothing happens till the MN T2 only anyway.

Overall, just because of a good year at Nationals, T1 MP 12 participants- T2 2P 18 participants- Booster Draft 66 participants and I am not sure where the second came from. Not taking anything away, but two of the three first place had a combine total of 30 participants, yet they had high caliber, it still makes things different, i.e. targeting in multiplayer on the more well known players.

Chris · « **Reply #234 on:** August 13, 2012, 03:12:06 PM »

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So one good year at Nationals and PA guys should have access to the new set? Yet you are complaining about MN seeing it early, now you want to? So it would only be, under your impression, PA and MN seeing the set early because you guys do better at Nationals? This is how it sounds from your standpoint. PA did great at nats, but one good year should not have a player saying they need access early because, supposedly, another state gains access early. Everyone has plenty of time, besides nothing happens till the MN T2 only anyway.

Keep in mind that at the time of my post, I was under the impression that many of the MN players had access to the new set, due to the Elders in the area playtesting with them. Again, this assumption has since been corrected, so I rescinded my argument. However, my argument wasn't just that PA had a great showing at Nats, rather, it was that our playgroup is large and very, very active on the boards, and that last week we proved that we're not just large, but that we're skilled and know the game quite well. My argument (again, keeping in mind that I was under the impression most of the MN saw the new set) was that we're just as entitled to seeing the new set as MN players, despite not having any Elders in our area.

hi123 · « **Reply #235 on:** August 13, 2012, 07:19:46 PM »

I know Im getting in on this thread late, but I think Deacons and Demons need supa help.

Deacons/ Elders: We have a couple of deacons, but no enhancements to help them. We also have Elders of the City, with no cards to help them. I think A combo of deacons and elders would be a great idea for a starter deck.

Demons: Totally under powerd. Period. We have probably an average of 0-3 demons per type 1-2 deck. I hope that demons get some help. I think they started getting help when TxP came out and magicans would have been a good combo with demons, but after that, magicians became there own defense, leaving orange behind. Then in the disciples set, progress started! SSS stampede became a battle winner for orange. But, still was hardly in decks because it shuffles lost souls and we had the card Nazereth, and when DI came out, Nazzy was in almost every deck, in my opinion. Then the new tins came out. And then nothing for demons, which I was actualy shocked about because I thought that would have been a good oppertunity for some good demon cards.

- Notice how I didnt mention the orange cards from the PI. set. Well, there really arent any awesome orange cards, except for KOT.

- I also didnt mention demons in type 2. Yeah, they are played a lot in type 2! BUT, why? Easy the combo of the bronze leaver and the gates of hell for super speed to gain offense.

Cards that must be reprinted sooner or later: DAVID, PETER, Mary ( Jesus' mother) , Claudia

Thats just my

Lampy 2.0 · « **Reply #236 on:** August 13, 2012, 08:26:41 PM »

I'd like to see some more support for Luke/John Gold Brigade Heroes support.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #237 on:** August 13, 2012, 08:34:01 PM »

Just to put it out there I didn't mean to upset or offend anyone either. My apologies to anyone who was frustrated or aggravated by anything I said.

Master Q · « **Reply #238 on:** August 13, 2012, 09:23:05 PM »

What I want to know is why have there been NO articles on any upcoming cards? If we had a few spoilers I'm sure it would satisfy some people...
Most unorthodox.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #239 on:** August 13, 2012, 09:49:01 PM »

Quote from: Master Q on August 13, 2012, 09:23:05 PM

What I want to know is why have there been NO articles on any upcoming cards? If we had a few spoilers I'm sure it would satisfy some people...
Most unorthodox.

Notice the numerous posts that state the set hasn't been finalized yet.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #240 on:** August 13, 2012, 10:54:04 PM »

Quote from: Lampy 2.0 on August 13, 2012, 08:26:41 PM

I'd like to see some more support for Luke/John Gold Brigade Heroes support.

Yeah--maybe a draw six hero who is protected from opponents. Better yet make him protected from everything. The card could be named the Stubborn Squatter because once you put him in battle you can never take him back out. I would give him 4/20 for abilities.

Master Q · « **Reply #241 on:** August 14, 2012, 02:16:15 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 13, 2012, 09:49:01 PM

Quote from: Master Q on August 13, 2012, 09:23:05 PM
What I want to know is why have there been NO articles on any upcoming cards? If we had a few spoilers I'm sure it would satisfy some people...
Most unorthodox.

Notice the numerous posts that state the set hasn't been finalized yet.

Obviously the whole set is not done. But you'd think they have at least 4 finalized cards to have articles about, like they did for the previous sets, so we can get a better idea of what to expect? Maybe those will come later though.

Gabe · « **Reply #242 on:** August 14, 2012, 09:43:47 AM »

Quote from: Master Q on August 14, 2012, 02:16:15 AM

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 13, 2012, 09:49:01 PM
Quote from: Master Q on August 13, 2012, 09:23:05 PM
What I want to know is why have there been NO articles on any upcoming cards? If we had a few spoilers I'm sure it would satisfy some people...
Most unorthodox.

Notice the numerous posts that state the set hasn't been finalized yet.

Obviously the whole set is not done. But you'd think they have at least 4 finalized cards to have articles about, like they did for the previous sets, so we can get a better idea of what to expect? Maybe those will come later though.

Those always happen between the time the set is finalized and sent to the printer, and the release date. I'm sure Bryon will grace us with some articles once the former has happened.

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