Author Topic: New Set Brainstorming (Read 29606 times)

Red · « **Reply #125 on:** May 05, 2012, 09:43:18 AM »

Quote from: browarod on May 05, 2012, 09:41:50 AM

Quote from: Redemption CCG Facebook Page
We have been developing and playtesting the new 4th Edition Redemption Starter Decks for months. We were on schedule to have new cards at the Redemption National Tournament in Knoxville in mid August. However, new licensing agreements with Hasbro to produce Cranium and Scrabble in Bible Editions require that we delay the 4th Edition for a couple of months. The good news is that we will have more time to playtest. Thank you for your patience.

/cry

Well.... why don't they use the extra time to just start on the next set?

Red Wing · « **Reply #126 on:** May 05, 2012, 09:58:39 AM »

Quote from: Red on May 05, 2012, 09:43:18 AM

Quote from: browarod on May 05, 2012, 09:41:50 AM
Quote from: Redemption CCG Facebook Page
We have been developing and playtesting the new 4th Edition Redemption Starter Decks for months. We were on schedule to have new cards at the Redemption National Tournament in Knoxville in mid August. However, new licensing agreements with Hasbro to produce Cranium and Scrabble in Bible Editions require that we delay the 4th Edition for a couple of months. The good news is that we will have more time to playtest. Thank you for your patience.

/cry
Well.... why don't they use the extra time to just start on the next set?

Or make foil starter decks!

TechnoEthicist · « **Reply #127 on:** May 05, 2012, 11:32:19 AM »

I am horribly conflicted on this...since we hear all about how this starter is going to address issues of the current meta, and then we have to delay new releases of original content for a biblical themed version of two very popular games...I know the economy is bad, but if there is only a starter (which can't be overly complicated as stated before) then I am unsure the future direction of this game. Also, why was this message put on Facebook (which few know about) rather than on the boards (where most of us reside)? It appears slightly devious....What does it say to those not on the boards that the new set will not be available for purchase at Nationals in favor of two unrelated games? In other words, what are the main player base who has supported Cactus since near its inception going to get for catering to those that are just buying variant board games? I really don't know what to think anymore...

I am Knot a Blonde! · « **Reply #128 on:** May 05, 2012, 11:43:47 AM »

Quote from: TechnoEthicist on May 05, 2012, 11:32:19 AM

I am horribly conflicted on this...since we hear all about how this starter is going to address issues of the current meta, and then we have to delay new releases of original content for a biblical themed version of two very popular games...I know the economy is bad, but if there is only a starter (which can't be overly complicated as stated before) then I am unsure the future direction of this game. Also, why was this message put on Facebook (which few know about) rather than on the boards (where most of us reside)? It appears slightly devious....What does it say to those not on the boards that the new set will not be available for purchase at Nationals in favor of two unrelated games? In other words, what are the main player base who has supported Cactus since near its inception going to get for catering to those that are just buying variant board games? I really don't know what to think anymore...

Agreed.

My questions is, if they are not going to sell the starter packs at nats, what are they going to sell? Just old stuff?

Personally, i think this is a bad move by Rob. From what i've been able to tell, Nats is their most profitable convention, because of them selling all of the new cards. Now, i believe that very little people are going to buy product at Nats. Now we are just going to have to buy them online..? Lame.

I guess this is just going to be one of those dissapointing years... Even though we have been waiting a whole year to get the cards...

lp670sv · « **Reply #129 on:** May 05, 2012, 12:26:08 PM »

Overreactions have been made.

Chris · « **Reply #130 on:** May 05, 2012, 01:34:28 PM »

Quote from: Red on May 05, 2012, 09:43:18 AM

Well.... why don't they use the extra time to just start on the next set?
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You can't playtest a set with a new set not even out yet. They won't have a good enough idea of what needs to be taken care of.

Quote from: TechnoEthicist on May 05, 2012, 11:32:19 AM

I am horribly conflicted on this...since we hear all about how this starter is going to address issues of the current meta, and then we have to delay new releases of original content for a biblical themed version of two very popular games...I know the economy is bad, but if there is only a starter (which can't be overly complicated as stated before) then I am unsure the future direction of this game. Also, why was this message put on Facebook (which few know about) rather than on the boards (where most of us reside)? It appears slightly devious....What does it say to those not on the boards that the new set will not be available for purchase at Nationals in favor of two unrelated games? In other words, what are the main player base who has supported Cactus since near its inception going to get for catering to those that are just buying variant board games? I really don't know what to think anymore...

I think implying that them having posted on Facebook before the actual boards being deviant is a bit much, don't you think Brad?

Quote from: I am Knot a Blonde! on May 05, 2012, 11:43:47 AM

Agreed.

My questions is, if they are not going to sell the starter packs at nats, what are they going to sell? Just old stuff?

Personally, i think this is a bad move by Rob. From what i've been able to tell, Nats is their most profitable convention, because of them selling all of the new cards. Now, i believe that very little people are going to buy product at Nats. Now we are just going to have to buy them online..? Lame.

I guess this is just going to be one of those dissapointing years... Even though we have been waiting a whole year to get the cards...

It can't be a bad move for Rob. Again, board games make much more money than Redemption does.

Redemption players seem to be really underprivileged if they're doubting the future of the game because the new set won't be released for two months.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #131 on:** May 05, 2012, 01:35:28 PM »

Quote from: TechnoEthicist on May 05, 2012, 11:32:19 AM

what are the main player base who has supported Cactus since near its inception going to get for catering to those that are just buying variant board games?

You are correct that at the Redemption player base has supported Cactus over the years, and 15 years ago were the primary revenue stream for the company. But from what I've heard, Redemption is now only supplying a fraction of the profits to Cactus, and these other game licenses are bringing in the bulk of the profits now, and require very little time and energy to support. So when Rob has a chance to bring 2 more big name games into his company, he's got to go for that from a business sense.

I understand the frustration with having to patient a while longer. I too would've liked to have had the new cards come out at Nats. But at the same time, what is good for Cactus is good for Redemption in the long run. So I hope that people can choose to see the big picture here.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #132 on:** May 05, 2012, 02:08:33 PM »

Also, the more time the playtesters have to test cards, the less likely we're likely to make another Thaddeus-like change last minute. There are a few cards that need to be thoroughly vetted because the abilities will be unlike anything that has been seen before, so we need to ensure that they won't be broken/abusive.

Also, the modified release schedule is good for players who won't get a chance to get to Nationals, since everyone will be able to get the new set at the same time, and players who don't get a chance to get to Nats aren't at a disadvantage to players who did in the first few tournaments of the next season.

Yes, it's disappointing that we won't get to see the new cards at Nats, but I hope that players can understand that it is in fact better for Cactus this year.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #133 on:** May 05, 2012, 02:21:49 PM »

I think of all types of expansions, the late-coming of a starter deck would probably have the least severe effect on Nats attendance, since the only official category in which a starter deck can be used is the overall least favorite: sealed deck.

Chris · « **Reply #134 on:** May 05, 2012, 02:34:56 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on May 05, 2012, 02:21:49 PM

I think of all types of expansions, the late-coming of a starter deck would probably have the least severe effect on Nats attendance, since the only official category in which a starter deck can be used is the overall least favorite: sealed deck.

I don't think it makes a difference either way. Only a small handful of people actually manage to get complete sets from the tins, which leads me to believe that not many people are being motivated by the new cards.

Master KChief · « **Reply #135 on:** May 05, 2012, 02:54:45 PM »

Stinks for TN. One of the biggest reasons to go to Nats was early access to the new cards.

CactusRob · « **Reply #136 on:** May 05, 2012, 03:12:18 PM »

I truly appreciate the support of the Redemption fan base. My goal is to continue to release new Redemption products and support it for as long as possible. That being said, I thought it would be helpful to share some additional information.

1) All Redemption items added together make up less than 10% of our revenues these days. Even so, the Lord is using this game in a number of ways and I want to support it as a minstry tool if for no other reason. Moreover, many of my best friendships have developed because of Redemption. I think others here can say the same. So, know that I am committed to keeping the game going.

2) The Christian stores that stock the new Redemption items normally do not bring it in until October even though it may be available sooner. Releasing the set at Nationals helps make Nationals special but, it is not a big deal for Cactus from a revenue standpoint.

3) Annoucing this on facebook did not mean too much from my point of view. I was just trying to support the Redemption page there and knew it would be minutes from the facebook post before the discussion crossed over here... and it did.

4) Games like Apples to Apples, Taboo and now Cranium and Scrabble pay the bills. This in turn allows me to release new Redemption sets and support the game.

browarod · « **Reply #137 on:** May 05, 2012, 03:25:50 PM »

Quote from: CactusRob on May 05, 2012, 03:12:18 PM

I was just trying to support the Redemption page there and knew it would be minutes from the facebook post before the discussion crossed over here... and it did.

*feels used*

Used in a good way, though, so I'm okay with that.

Wings of Music · « **Reply #138 on:** May 05, 2012, 05:08:00 PM »

Props to you Rob for making a good business decision. As long as you make good business descisions Redemption will stay strong. Even though some people may not like your choice you made the right one.

Blessings,

Wings

STAMP · « **Reply #139 on:** May 05, 2012, 08:28:38 PM »

Thank you, Rob! For so many reasons, but especially since you provided that new Fishing Boat for me. I'll be around as long as the game is.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #140 on:** May 06, 2012, 01:10:34 AM »

Quote from: browarod on May 05, 2012, 09:41:50 AM

Quote from: Redemption CCG Facebook Page
We have been developing and playtesting the new 4th Edition Redemption Starter Decks for months. We were on schedule to have new cards at the Redemption National Tournament in Knoxville in mid August. However, new licensing agreements with Hasbro to produce Cranium and Scrabble in Bible Editions require that we delay the 4th Edition for a couple of months. The good news is that we will have more time to playtest. Thank you for your patience.

What precisely would make a version of Scrabble a Bible edition?

You can only use words found in the Bible? (He's right, "firkins" *is* used in John 2:6.)
The tiles are printed in Hebrew lettering? (Gimel, gimel, gimel... C'mon gimel. Aww samekh.)
The board uses Biblical phrasing? (Thou mayest tripleth thy score of thine letter.)

Since I would guess that Rob may not be at liberty to discuss this, feel free to offer your suggestions...

Master KChief · « **Reply #141 on:** May 06, 2012, 03:26:03 AM »

I was seriously wondering the same thing.

Jmbeers · « **Reply #142 on:** May 06, 2012, 11:11:50 AM »

haha but my best guess is mabey on like a triple word score or other bonus squares you would only get the bonus if you played a Biblical word, although what counts as a Biblical word?

On Topic

Quote from: Professoralstad on May 05, 2012, 02:08:33 PM

Also, the more time the playtesters have to test cards, the less likely we're likely to make another Thaddeus-like change last minute. There are a few cards that need to be thoroughly vetted because the abilities will be unlike anything that has been seen before, so we need to ensure that they won't be broken/abusive.

Ok, new abilities sound great! But.. How are we going to teach them to new players if we arn't even sure what they do

I'm wondering what they could be because new players will need to understand them fairly quickly. (and I'm not saying a simple ability is bad, take discard. It makes perfect sense and is still usefull

) but seriously, what kind of ability do you guys think it could be?

STAMP · « **Reply #143 on:** May 06, 2012, 11:21:22 AM »

In 9th grade I designed a game called, Mythabble. Yes, it was based on mythology - primarily Greek and Roman as that was what was the subject material in class. I took a huge sample of words, names, place, etc. and calculated the letter distribution and letter scores. Words that were NOT related to mythology only scored one point per letter and did not receive special double and triple scoring. That was it. Pretty basic. I used an old Monopoly board, and believe it or not Schaef, no families were destroyed in my 9th grade class!

I was told that many classes after ours enjoyed playing the game.

Anyone play Klingon Scrabble?

Red Wing · « **Reply #144 on:** May 06, 2012, 11:25:15 AM »

Quote from: Jmbeers on May 06, 2012, 11:11:50 AM

I'm wondering what they could be because new players will need to understand them fairly quickly. (and I'm not saying a simple ability is bad, take discard. It makes perfect sense and is still usefull ) but seriously, what kind of ability do you guys think it could be?

More ripping cards!

browarod · « **Reply #145 on:** May 06, 2012, 12:35:47 PM »

NEW INFORMATION!!!!

Quote from: Browa's Source

Rob wanted some super well-known heroes in the starters this year. Players have already guessed Peter and Andrew, and there are a couple more VERY well-known heroes from that theme in that deck. Those are the only human heroes in that deck.

Since we wanted the starter decks to be very simple, we have included some characters in each deck that do not have special abilities. There are 3 O.T. heroes with no special abilities in the starter decks - all in the same brigade. Two of those are very well-known Bible characters. But not having special abilities might actually be seen as a benefit in that theme. The second good theme in that deck is a secret.

Oh, and there are more than 100 cards being printed this year.

So Peter and Andrew reprints are confirmed, but given the other heroes from "that theme" that my source mentioned I wonder if it will be a Disciples theme boost or a Martyr theme boost. I can't think of any other heroes from Disciples (except the contested Matthias) who need reprints, and certainly not the multiples this seems to suggest.

Also, the "only human heroes" comment makes me assume Di/Martyrs (whichever theme it ends up being) is going to get some angel support.

Any guesses as to the 3 OT heroes with no SA in the other deck? I had first thought Judges (newer version of Gideon, perhaps) due to the "better in that theme" comment, but they don't really need any help at this point in the game, so I'm not sure. I kinda hope there's some teal in there.

Given that the Peter/Andrew deck has human heroes only in that theme, that pretty much confirms that the other deck's White cards will be either Musicians or Daniel heroes (or both, you never know), so I'm super excited for that.

>100 cards? Super woot. I wonder if this means the decks will cost more....

lp670sv · « **Reply #146 on:** May 06, 2012, 01:01:04 PM »

*waits for edited by R.O.S.E.S.*

browarod · « **Reply #147 on:** May 06, 2012, 01:16:26 PM »

I realized after posting earlier that the "more than 100 cards being printed" could also mean that the decks are still 50 cards each but that there are new promos. I would love there to be new promos, but the bigger decks would be cool, too.

Master KChief · « **Reply #148 on:** May 06, 2012, 06:35:45 PM »

New promos, but probably won't get them until next year. At least for the Nats promo. Wasn't Daniel printed two sets ago but just given to use last year?

Chris · « **Reply #149 on:** May 06, 2012, 08:01:04 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on May 06, 2012, 06:35:45 PM

New promos, but probably won't get them until next year. At least for the Nats promo. Wasn't Daniel printed two sets ago but just given to use last year?

Yeah, Daniel (along with Goliath and any other promos I'm forgetting) was printed with Disciples.

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Author Topic: New Set Brainstorming (Read 29606 times)

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