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I'm also a bit concerned about him starting as an EC - while I can certainly see the logic, there are a lot of characters who did far worse that are straight heroes, and with the implication that he's going to be reprinted as cloud this year I think it's pretty straight to assume that he'll be only good.
I would really like to see Jonah owner get to chose what's shuffled
Quote from: sepjazzwarrior on October 10, 2018, 10:22:35 AMI would really like to see Jonah owner get to chose what's shuffled “...if opponent uses a search ability, you may shuffle their card...”This change would make him quite powerful since the controller of Jonah chooses the target. Maybe he can be the good prophet Priest of Zeus equivalent. But I wonder if he should have unity if it is changed. He would definitely be splashable. But his ability is a nice counter to searching, regardless of it being the controlling player’s choice or not.
If Nineveh isn't in play, Jonah is literally a 4/5 no sa prophet. He's also kinda a reverse Music Leaders, which is funny but I'm not sure if it's particularly good.Nineveh is fantastic. I'm looking forward to preventing them from AotL'ing ASA.
Was hoping Jonah would have more power though, hes the main character of the book and he doesn't do anything in battle, and letting them chose which card is shuffled makes it not a very powerful ability IMO, most decks use so many heroes that its easy to chose one to shuffle, it could even help Samuel decks by letting you search for david or saul again. taking the limit off the X would help, but I would really like to see Jonah owner get to chose what's shuffled
Here's the first of 2 Jonah cards I have the privilege of sharing with you today.Spoiler (hover to show)
Quote from: Gabe on October 10, 2018, 11:55:54 AMHere's the first of 2 Jonah cards I have the privilege of sharing with you today.Spoiler (hover to show)Interesting card. Minor consideration that might be overpowered, but making it if an Assyrian is in battle instead of if opposed by one could have some fun implications with Ninevites.
And what other dominants does it stop? Stopping Grapes of Wrath probably hurts you more than your opponent because you can't use it to get an ability off and block! Three Woes would be stopped as well, but has so many other good times to play it probably won't hurt your opponent much to restrict that timing (and it also stops yours during the same timing).
I’m curious why the other dual alignment animals have two evil brigades on the character side, but The Great Fish doesn’t? It seems like PG/Crimson would make sense in this case in the same way that I am sure Fire Foxes has black due to the relation to Philistines (while not being a Philistine character).Thoughts?
Quote from: Bobbert on October 10, 2018, 10:42:19 AMIf Nineveh isn't in play, Jonah is literally a 4/5 no sa prophet. He's also kinda a reverse Music Leaders, which is funny but I'm not sure if it's particularly good.Nineveh is fantastic. I'm looking forward to preventing them from AotL'ing ASA.That’s a good point about his ability being nothing without Nineveh in play. I’d recommend removing that prerequisite so his ability can function whether or not Nineveh is in play. That would make him more like ML or PoZ.
*by my count - Jonah, Ninevites, Fish, and Worm. Let me know if I missed any.
Keyword: AdvantageFormat of keyword: "Attribute" Advantage / "Location" AdvantageDefinition: For "Attribute" Advantage, the player who controls the highest number of cards with the chosen "attribute" has Advantage. Because this looks at cards you own and control, cards in set-aside areas are included. For "Location" Advantage, the player who owns and controls the highest number of cards in that location has Advantage. Additional notes: In the event of a tie, no player has the advantage.Lost Souls and Redeemed Souls are excluded from all "advantage" definitions, except for the specific cases of "Lost Soul Advantage" and "Redeemed Soul Advantage". Example: "Hand advantage" belongs to the player with the most cards in hand.Example: "Character advantage" belongs to the player with the most characters in play and set-aside.Example: "Territory advantage" belongs to the player with the most cards in territory (excluding Lost Souls).Example: "Redeemed Soul advantage" belongs to the player with the most Redeemed Souls in their LoR.Special case: "Board advantage" counts all non-Lost Soul/Redeemed Soul cards in territory, the field of battle, set-aside, and Land of Redemption.
please define board advantage?
Quote from: goalieking87 on October 10, 2018, 02:07:56 PMI’m curious why the other dual alignment animals have two evil brigades on the character side, but The Great Fish doesn’t? It seems like PG/Crimson would make sense in this case in the same way that I am sure Fire Foxes has black due to the relation to Philistines (while not being a Philistine character).Thoughts?You’re thinking of Leviathan and Behemoth, both of which are Job evil Characters. Job evil Characters are brown, hence the brown and crimson. Same logic with Firefoxes, as you cited, and Magicians’ Snakes (FoM).I’d disagree with the PG being added to TGF as he’s not directly associated with Assyria. But I can see your argument for PG being added due to the association with Jonah/Jonah story as the Job animals are associated with Job/book of Job.
Quote from: Bobbert on October 10, 2018, 01:31:31 PM*by my count - Jonah, Ninevites, Fish, and Worm. Let me know if I missed any.Hey Bobbert - You missed one:Spoiler (hover to show)New terminology found here, we think it's pretty self-explanatory, but here's the definition (Work in progress but mostly figured out) just in case:Spoiler (hover to show)QuoteKeyword: AdvantageFormat of keyword: "Attribute" Advantage / "Location" AdvantageDefinition: For "Attribute" Advantage, the player who controls the highest number of cards with the chosen "attribute" has Advantage. Because this looks at cards you own and control, cards in set-aside areas are included. For "Location" Advantage, the player who owns and controls the highest number of cards in that location has Advantage. Additional notes: In the event of a tie, no player has the advantage.Lost Souls and Redeemed Souls are excluded from all "advantage" definitions, except for the specific cases of "Lost Soul Advantage" and "Redeemed Soul Advantage". Example: "Hand advantage" belongs to the player with the most cards in hand.Example: "Character advantage" belongs to the player with the most characters in play and set-aside.Example: "Territory advantage" belongs to the player with the most cards in territory (excluding Lost Souls).Example: "Redeemed Soul advantage" belongs to the player with the most Redeemed Souls in their LoR.Special case: "Board advantage" counts all non-Lost Soul/Redeemed Soul cards in territory, the field of battle, set-aside, and Land of Redemption.
Stubborn Heifer is metephorical of Israelites (brown).
Quote from: Watchman on October 10, 2018, 02:20:38 PMQuote from: goalieking87 on October 10, 2018, 02:07:56 PMI’m curious why the other dual alignment animals have two evil brigades on the character side, but The Great Fish doesn’t? It seems like PG/Crimson would make sense in this case in the same way that I am sure Fire Foxes has black due to the relation to Philistines (while not being a Philistine character).Thoughts?You’re thinking of Leviathan and Behemoth, both of which are Job evil Characters. Job evil Characters are brown, hence the brown and crimson. Same logic with Firefoxes, as you cited, and Magicians’ Snakes (FoM).I’d disagree with the PG being added to TGF as he’s not directly associated with Assyria. But I can see your argument for PG being added due to the association with Jonah/Jonah story as the Job animals are associated with Job/book of Job.Watchman is pretty much spot on. Lions lived in Perisa (brown). Fire Foxes were from Philistia (black). Coliseum Lions were under Roman control (gray). Stubborn Heifer is metephorical of Israelites (brown).PG isn’t really the “evil Jonah” brigade the way brown is the "evil Job" brigade. It’s just that all the evil Jonah stuff we’ve printed thus far is Assyrian or lived in Assyria (The Worm). The Great Fish didn’t originate in Assyria as wasn’t associated with it in any way. It ended up there by divine direction. If we were to print the sailors from the ship to Tarshish, they probably wouldn’t be PG, they would be whatever brigade is associated with their region, nationality or heritage (I haven't look into it). It doesn’t seem to me like the fish should be pale green either. I'm not totally against the idea. But I think it's quite a stretch for the sake of making a card do what we want (working in tandem with Assyrians) instead of what it should (represent an animal not associated with Assyria).
The "fish" etymology was accepted in 19th and early 20th century scholarship. This led to the association with the "merman" motif in Assyrian and Phoenician art (e.g. Julius Wellhausen, William Robertson Smith),[citation needed] and with the figure of the Babylonian Oannes (Ὡάννης) mentioned by Berossus (3rd century BC).The first to cast doubt on the "fish" etymology was Schmökel (1928), who suggested that while Dagon was not in origin a "fish god", the association with dâg "fish" among the maritime Canaanites (Phoenicians) would have affected the god's iconography.[9] Fontenrose (1957:278) still suggests that Berossos's Odakon, part man and part fish, was possibly a garbled version of Dagon. Dagon was also equated with Oannes.The association with dāg/dâg 'fish' is made by 11th-century Jewish Bible commentator Rashi.[10] In the 13th century, David Kimhi interpreted the odd sentence in 1 Samuel 5.2–7 that "only Dagon was left to him" to mean "only the form of a fish was left", adding: "It is said that Dagon, from his navel down, had the form of a fish (whence his name, Dagon), and from his navel up, the form of a man, as it is said, his two hands were cut off." The Septuagint text of 1 Samuel 5.2–7 says that both the hands and the head of the image of Dagon were broken off.[11]
If we were to print the sailors from the ship to Tarshish, they probably wouldn’t be PG, they would be whatever brigade is associated with their region, nationality or heritage (I haven't look into it).
Lions lived in Perisa (brown). Fire Foxes were from Philistia (black). Coliseum Lions were under Roman control (gray). Stubborn Heifer is metephorical of Israelites (brown).
Quote from: Gabe on October 10, 2018, 04:20:51 PMLions lived in Perisa (brown). Fire Foxes were from Philistia (black). Coliseum Lions were under Roman control (gray). Stubborn Heifer is metephorical of Israelites (brown).I see what you did there. Come on, let’s have it. 😉