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« on: February 04, 2009, 07:19:28 PM »
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Isaiah
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"May use any good enhancement with a prophetic reference.  Place one good enhancement under deck to search discard pile for a good enhancement with a prophetic reference."
Isaiah 1:1

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"Set aside a Green Brigade Prophets for two turns.  On return, you may select one evil character from opponents territory and reduce their abilities 0/8.
Isaiah 3:9

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"Place in opponents territory.  Each upkeep face, opponent must discard an OT Fortress or single color site.  When none remain, discard this card."
Isaiah 5:8

The Burning Coal
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"Place this card on a Green Brigade Prophet in territory.  The next time this hero enters battle, protect him from evil discard abilities. Remove card from game after battle."
Isaiah 6:7

Jeremiah
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"Discard a Green Brigade Enhancement to convert an O.T. Evil Character to a Green Bridge Hero.  May be used twice per game."
Jeremiah 1:1

I tried to use the recurring theme with the Prophets that Micah has and expand it.  Also, I tried to tie in the references as much as I possibly could.  I think Isaiah and Jeremiah needed to be beefed up a bit.  Isaiah's ability is pretty standard, but with Jeremiah, I gave him this ability because he was calling people to repentance.  I tried to keep it not overpowering, but let me know!  I am having fun trying to use Biblical Scripture to come up with cards and not just random abilities!  Thanks!

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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2009, 07:32:09 PM »
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Isaiah is WAY too good! They have enough recurence. But I like the rest of them, except for the other recur card.  :)
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2009, 08:24:54 PM »
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Jeremiah's ability is awesome
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2009, 09:40:12 PM »
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Isaiah
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"May use any good enhancement with a prophetic reference.  Place one good enhancement under deck to search discard pile for a good enhancement with a prophetic reference."
Isaiah 1:1
If you gave it a sort of King Lemuel-type ability, that would be less OP. (Ex: "Exchange a card in your hand with a OT Green brigade enhancement involving prophecy in your discard pile.")
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2009, 10:00:44 PM »
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the issue is most cards 'based on prophecy' aren't that good, and prophetic reference is a bit too broad. Technically everything Jesus did is prophesied :-p.
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2009, 10:05:46 PM »
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wow. jeremiah's ability.
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2009, 10:38:15 PM »
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wow. Jeremiah's ability.
convert on turns 1 and 2, aotl their other ec and sog and nj your own souls, quick win
No you have to use it before they enter battle just like Holy Grail
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2009, 11:48:16 PM »
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Unless you band him in. Andy has a point. Make jer territory. Or else I could use Silver Trumpets.
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2009, 06:00:18 PM »
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Silver Trumpets is already killer. ;D
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2009, 07:01:01 PM »
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Silver Trumpets is already killer. ;D
Yeah but it isn't an instant winner, there can be counters outside of ITB :-p.
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2018, 10:23:12 AM »
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2018, 10:40:35 AM »
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Man, I've missed Isaiah. Looking forward to all these new toys!
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2018, 11:23:30 AM »
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Hm, seems Isaiah becomes a mighty option again! Even more in type half with Assyrians!

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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2018, 12:31:32 PM »
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Could capture and seize be territory class for the “take an artifact” part? It would definitely keep game play interesting. :)

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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2018, 12:54:16 PM »
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Could capture and seize be territory class for the “take an artifact” part? It would definitely keep game play interesting. :)

I'd vote against this.  It's already buffed due to being playable as a GE or EE battlewinner, and if you pull it off, it's a 3-for-1.  Plus recurrable by Micah/Isaiah/etc., plus works great in side battles. 

TC art stealing would probably centralize the meta defense on Pale Green, much like Confusion did a few years ago.
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2018, 01:04:01 PM »
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Isaiah is a book absolutely full of Messianic prophecy. That means most of the enhancements are ** cards like this one:

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With so many ** coming from Isaiah it feels appropriate to give them a bonus if you pair them:

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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2018, 01:16:08 PM »
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Wow, that's a strong Isaiah!  :o definitely an upgrade over the previous version, I would say

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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2018, 01:29:53 PM »
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WOAH, he is awesome! Not a huge fan of that art, (he looks like a roman emperor lol) but I love his ability and the cloud identifier on him now!
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2018, 01:31:42 PM »
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I'm not sure if hes better, will be missing the drawing, recursion, and broader CBN, but liking that he does fun stuff with star cards, lower numbers, and not having to have an army of Angels out

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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2018, 01:32:38 PM »
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WOAH, he is awesome! Not a huge fan of that art, (he looks like a roman emperor lol) but I love his ability and the cloud identifier on him now!


That’s because they used Emp. Galba’s art. Hopefully they’ll end up changing the image. I also think it’s no bueno. But, his ability is pretty cool/strong.
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2018, 01:33:17 PM »
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WOAH, he is awesome! Not a huge fan of that art, (he looks like a roman emperor lol) but I love his ability and the cloud identifier on him now!


That actually is the same exact art as Emperor Galba
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2018, 01:40:44 PM »
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I believe this image of Isaiah is royalty-free and it's from Wikimedia Commons (and I'm 99% sure it's not already on a Redemption card)

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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2018, 01:42:56 PM »
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I was wondering if we would get anything that would let us activate stars otherwise.

Those are some fascinating tradeoffs. Is it intentional that he makes evil star cards like Accursed of God CBN as well?

This Isaiah is obviously way better in a star deck, but the old Isaiah will pair better with Assyrians (so that Razor, Siegeworks, and Capture & Seize are CBN and recurable), which seem good even on their own this year. It'll be interesting to see which version of Isaiah comes out on top, since it seems likely (to me at least) that both will see play.


EDIT: I wonder if we'll see an Isaiah's Call LR.
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2018, 01:52:41 PM »
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I believe this image of Isaiah is royalty-free and it's from Wikimedia Commons (and I'm 99% sure it's not already on a Redemption card)

Another option, by Tissot

I like that first image better.
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2018, 02:04:36 PM »
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WOAH, he is awesome! Not a huge fan of that art, (he looks like a roman emperor lol) but I love his ability and the cloud identifier on him now!

That actually is the same exact art as Emperor Galba

I believe this image of Isaiah is royalty-free and it's from Wikimedia Commons (and I'm 99% sure it's not already on a Redemption card)

Another option, by Tissot

I appreciate the feedback and alternate options for the art! As you know, finding free, available, good quality art is always one of our biggest challenges! Anytime you can help with suggestions like these it is greatly appreciated.

BACKGROUND: One thing we've been trying to do in the past few years when creating a set is to use illustrations by a specific group of artists for as many cards as is appropriate. Sometimes this is kind of easy because a particular artist will do a series on a specific subject. Examples are the Tissot art we used on several CoW cards and John Martin art we used on several RoJ cards. This helps give the set it's own "unique feel".

So while Tissot has LOTS of great pieces available, we're trying to shy away from using Tissot illustrations this year and probably next. He has a bunch of pieces we plan to use the following year so his style will very much set the tone for the look of a future set.

I didn't realize the Michelangelo piece had been used before on Galba because that one is such poor quality. Michelangelo did a serious that includes multiple prophets. Hypothetically speaking, if we were reprinting other prophets this year, they might also be using Michelangelo's rendition as well. For my part I would prefer to keep the uniformity among cards in the set and don't care as much about the reuse, but we'll see what other member of the team think. This certainly wouldn't be the first time an illustration was reused in a more proper context.
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2018, 02:08:43 PM »
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That's a good point, but one could argue that since Isaiah has the Cloud symbol, using the Cloud artist (Tissot) for him would be appropriate  8)

That said, IIRC like half the art on the OT kings are actually David, so this is hardly the first case of this. Always seemed weird that Galba had cherubs behind him anyway.
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2018, 02:22:06 PM »
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Wow! This Isaiah fits awesome into musicians decks and also pairs really well with CoW Moses giving ** enhancements CBN while cloud symbol protects him from Moses' SA! Awesome! Really! :thumbup:

I for myself like the old Isaiah (FooF) image most - it's really cool. I also like that style of pics and images when used on cards - would love to see more of these "oldschool" stuff.  ;D   And aren't there also very talented artists around in the board showing their illustration and image skills? Is there no chance their pictures, drafts etc. can be used too? Maybe even for an entire set or at least a theme of it?

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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2018, 02:27:05 PM »
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WOAH, he is awesome! Not a huge fan of that art, (he looks like a roman emperor lol) but I love his ability and the cloud identifier on him now!

That actually is the same exact art as Emperor Galba

I believe this image of Isaiah is royalty-free and it's from Wikimedia Commons (and I'm 99% sure it's not already on a Redemption card)

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So while Tissot has LOTS of great pieces available, we're trying to shy away from using Tissot illustrations this year and probably next. He has a bunch of pieces we plan to use the following year so his style will very much set the tone for the look of a future set.

That first one Jesse posted, the lithograph one, isn’t Tissot but the second is. The first one looks like he’s looking up at the stars and is reaching for them. Pretty appropriate, wouldn’t you say?  ;)
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2018, 02:29:27 PM »
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Always seemed weird that Galba had cherubs behind him anyway.

Or why Asaph is portrayed as Paul, Silas, or the Roman Jailer...
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2018, 02:35:48 PM »
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Always seemed weird that Galba had cherubs behind him anyway.

Or why Asaph is portrayed as Paul, Silas, or the Roman Jailer...

Today there are all kinds of amazing options for finding public domain, high resolution art on the internet, yet we are still challenged to find what we need for dozens of cards every year. I cannot imagine what it was like before high resolution online art was available. My guess is that for cards like Galba, Asaph all those kings who depict David and many other cards, it was the best option they could find at the time. There are still cards on occasion that have to "settle" on a piece of art.
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2018, 02:56:06 PM »
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Always seemed weird that Galba had cherubs behind him anyway.

Or why Asaph is portrayed as Paul, Silas, or the Roman Jailer...

Today there are all kinds of amazing options for finding public domain, high resolution art on the internet, yet we are still challenged to find what we need for dozens of cards every year. I cannot imagine what it was like before high resolution online art was available. My guess is that for cards like Galba, Asaph all those kings who depict David and many other cards, it was the best option they could find at the time. There are still cards on occasion that have to "settle" on a piece of art.

I totally understand. I just thought it was funny when I realized, while looking at Asaph’s card art a couple of months ago, that it was the scene from the Philippi jail, and the same art used on The Roman Jailer. I also found it funny how the card art used on the Saul’s Disobedience card, the same one used for King Solomon on his TxP card, is not accurate as the background shows the temple, and the temple wasn’t built when King Saul was around.
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2018, 03:04:37 PM »
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Always seemed weird that Galba had cherubs behind him anyway.

Or why Asaph is portrayed as Paul, Silas, or the Roman Jailer...

Today there are all kinds of amazing options for finding public domain, high resolution art on the internet, yet we are still challenged to find what we need for dozens of cards every year. I cannot imagine what it was like before high resolution online art was available. My guess is that for cards like Galba, Asaph all those kings who depict David and many other cards, it was the best option they could find at the time. There are still cards on occasion that have to "settle" on a piece of art.

Of course. I wasn't trying to be accusatory, just pointing out that there are a lot of cases and characters where art (or at least, good available art) may not exist. I have no complaints about overlap, especially in a case like this where it's being used for the actual intended subject.

On a different note, I wonder if there's any reason that this particular thread was chosen....
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2018, 03:11:01 PM »
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I totally get where you guys are coming from. I've shared the same thoughts many times!

I'm sure Travis could best answer that last question.

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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2018, 03:17:09 PM »
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I totally get where you guys are coming from. I've shared the same thoughts many times!

I'm sure Travis could best answer that last question.

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« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2018, 03:25:31 PM »
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It’s 3 pm my time (EST). Let’s see em!  ;D

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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2018, 03:40:09 PM »
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Love the art.  When it says to reserve something, would it go to your reserve or the owner of the card being reserved reserve?

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« Reply #36 on: October 09, 2018, 03:41:04 PM »
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Similar to deck and discard pile, cards you own will always go to your reserve.
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2018, 04:25:48 PM »
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2018, 04:39:07 PM »
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2018, 04:39:38 PM »
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Today's final preview is Redemption's latest mangy mutt!

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Lovin it.  Great way to banish SoG from discard pile without needing Confusion, and to stop the recursion of heroes, as well as pesky, recurable enhancements.

Assuming the band is referring to T2 play, or should we expect a different kind of Jackals card?
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2018, 04:45:35 PM »
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Lovin it.  Great way to banish SoG from discard pile without needing Confusion, and to stop the recursion of heroes, as well as pesky, recurable enhancements.

Assuming the band is referring to T2 play, or should we expect a different kind of Jackals card?



Seems likely this would be a T2 banding ability.

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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2018, 04:53:25 PM »
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I am still really thrilled about all this new Isaiah stuff and the possibilities which comes along - with both Isaiahs, old and new one!  ;D

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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2018, 04:22:21 PM »
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How about another nice addition to an Assyrian defense with an Isaiah reference. That fits in this thread...right?

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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #43 on: October 14, 2018, 05:03:36 PM »
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How about another nice addition to an Assyrian defense with an Isaiah reference. That fits in this thread...right?

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Interesting mix of abilities that are good early, middle, and late game. Seems fairly solid to me, despite the apparent anti-synergy.
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #44 on: October 14, 2018, 05:16:19 PM »
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I really like the King Shalmaneser 3rd card.


It has a unique set of special abilities.

Better not have a multi brigade enhancement in your discard pile or else..... a nasty 9/9 decrease will happen. :)

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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #45 on: October 14, 2018, 06:36:45 PM »
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Should this be "capture an opposing human"? Don't know why this would capture non-humans...

We've moved away from adding "human" for thematic reasons when in inherently adds power to the non-human themes. There was a period where it was used on a number of cards which only led to an increase in ability types that angels, demons, animals and symbolic characters are inherently protected from. We tend to usually just use the human qualifier when it takes power away from the non-human themes.
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #46 on: October 15, 2018, 04:17:29 PM »
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Oh men. Type half Isaiah seems to become more and more OP.  :)