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Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« on: February 04, 2009, 07:19:28 PM »
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Isaiah
6/6 Green Hero
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"May use any good enhancement with a prophetic reference.  Place one good enhancement under deck to search discard pile for a good enhancement with a prophetic reference."
Isaiah 1:1

Woe to Them!

2/2 Green Enhancement
Prophetic Reference
"Set aside a Green Brigade Prophets for two turns.  On return, you may select one evil character from opponents territory and reduce their abilities 0/8.
Isaiah 3:9

Dwell in the Midst of the Land
0/1 Green Enhancement
Prophetic Reference
"Place in opponents territory.  Each upkeep face, opponent must discard an OT Fortress or single color site.  When none remain, discard this card."
Isaiah 5:8

The Burning Coal
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"Place this card on a Green Brigade Prophet in territory.  The next time this hero enters battle, protect him from evil discard abilities. Remove card from game after battle."
Isaiah 6:7

Jeremiah
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Unique Prophet
"Discard a Green Brigade Enhancement to convert an O.T. Evil Character to a Green Bridge Hero.  May be used twice per game."
Jeremiah 1:1

I tried to use the recurring theme with the Prophets that Micah has and expand it.  Also, I tried to tie in the references as much as I possibly could.  I think Isaiah and Jeremiah needed to be beefed up a bit.  Isaiah's ability is pretty standard, but with Jeremiah, I gave him this ability because he was calling people to repentance.  I tried to keep it not overpowering, but let me know!  I am having fun trying to use Biblical Scripture to come up with cards and not just random abilities!  Thanks!

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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2009, 07:32:09 PM »
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Isaiah is WAY too good! They have enough recurence. But I like the rest of them, except for the other recur card.  :)
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2009, 08:24:54 PM »
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Jeremiah's ability is awesome
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2009, 09:40:12 PM »
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Isaiah
6/6 Green Hero
Unique Prophet
"May use any good enhancement with a prophetic reference.  Place one good enhancement under deck to search discard pile for a good enhancement with a prophetic reference."
Isaiah 1:1
If you gave it a sort of King Lemuel-type ability, that would be less OP. (Ex: "Exchange a card in your hand with a OT Green brigade enhancement involving prophecy in your discard pile.")
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2009, 10:00:44 PM »
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the issue is most cards 'based on prophecy' aren't that good, and prophetic reference is a bit too broad. Technically everything Jesus did is prophesied :-p.
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2009, 10:05:46 PM »
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wow. jeremiah's ability.
convert on turns 1 and 2, aotl their other ec and sog and nj your own souls, quick win
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2009, 10:38:15 PM »
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wow. Jeremiah's ability.
convert on turns 1 and 2, aotl their other ec and sog and nj your own souls, quick win
No you have to use it before they enter battle just like Holy Grail
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2009, 11:48:16 PM »
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Unless you band him in. Andy has a point. Make jer territory. Or else I could use Silver Trumpets.
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2009, 06:00:18 PM »
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Silver Trumpets is already killer. ;D
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2009, 07:01:01 PM »
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Silver Trumpets is already killer. ;D
Yeah but it isn't an instant winner, there can be counters outside of ITB :-p.
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2018, 10:23:12 AM »
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2018, 10:40:35 AM »
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Man, I've missed Isaiah. Looking forward to all these new toys!
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2018, 11:23:30 AM »
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Hm, seems Isaiah becomes a mighty option again! Even more in type half with Assyrians!

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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2018, 12:31:32 PM »
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Could capture and seize be territory class for the “take an artifact” part? It would definitely keep game play interesting. :)

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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2018, 12:54:16 PM »
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Could capture and seize be territory class for the “take an artifact” part? It would definitely keep game play interesting. :)

I'd vote against this.  It's already buffed due to being playable as a GE or EE battlewinner, and if you pull it off, it's a 3-for-1.  Plus recurrable by Micah/Isaiah/etc., plus works great in side battles. 

TC art stealing would probably centralize the meta defense on Pale Green, much like Confusion did a few years ago.
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2018, 01:04:01 PM »
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Isaiah is a book absolutely full of Messianic prophecy. That means most of the enhancements are ** cards like this one:

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With so many ** coming from Isaiah it feels appropriate to give them a bonus if you pair them:

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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2018, 01:16:08 PM »
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Wow, that's a strong Isaiah!  :o definitely an upgrade over the previous version, I would say

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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2018, 01:29:53 PM »
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WOAH, he is awesome! Not a huge fan of that art, (he looks like a roman emperor lol) but I love his ability and the cloud identifier on him now!
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2018, 01:31:42 PM »
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I'm not sure if hes better, will be missing the drawing, recursion, and broader CBN, but liking that he does fun stuff with star cards, lower numbers, and not having to have an army of Angels out

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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2018, 01:32:38 PM »
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WOAH, he is awesome! Not a huge fan of that art, (he looks like a roman emperor lol) but I love his ability and the cloud identifier on him now!


That’s because they used Emp. Galba’s art. Hopefully they’ll end up changing the image. I also think it’s no bueno. But, his ability is pretty cool/strong.
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2018, 01:33:17 PM »
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WOAH, he is awesome! Not a huge fan of that art, (he looks like a roman emperor lol) but I love his ability and the cloud identifier on him now!


That actually is the same exact art as Emperor Galba
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2018, 01:40:44 PM »
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I believe this image of Isaiah is royalty-free and it's from Wikimedia Commons (and I'm 99% sure it's not already on a Redemption card)

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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2018, 01:42:56 PM »
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I was wondering if we would get anything that would let us activate stars otherwise.

Those are some fascinating tradeoffs. Is it intentional that he makes evil star cards like Accursed of God CBN as well?

This Isaiah is obviously way better in a star deck, but the old Isaiah will pair better with Assyrians (so that Razor, Siegeworks, and Capture & Seize are CBN and recurable), which seem good even on their own this year. It'll be interesting to see which version of Isaiah comes out on top, since it seems likely (to me at least) that both will see play.


EDIT: I wonder if we'll see an Isaiah's Call LR.
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2018, 01:52:41 PM »
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I believe this image of Isaiah is royalty-free and it's from Wikimedia Commons (and I'm 99% sure it's not already on a Redemption card)

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I like that first image better.
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Re: Give some love to Isaiah and Jeremiah
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2018, 02:04:36 PM »
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WOAH, he is awesome! Not a huge fan of that art, (he looks like a roman emperor lol) but I love his ability and the cloud identifier on him now!

That actually is the same exact art as Emperor Galba

I believe this image of Isaiah is royalty-free and it's from Wikimedia Commons (and I'm 99% sure it's not already on a Redemption card)

Another option, by Tissot

I appreciate the feedback and alternate options for the art! As you know, finding free, available, good quality art is always one of our biggest challenges! Anytime you can help with suggestions like these it is greatly appreciated.

BACKGROUND: One thing we've been trying to do in the past few years when creating a set is to use illustrations by a specific group of artists for as many cards as is appropriate. Sometimes this is kind of easy because a particular artist will do a series on a specific subject. Examples are the Tissot art we used on several CoW cards and John Martin art we used on several RoJ cards. This helps give the set it's own "unique feel".

So while Tissot has LOTS of great pieces available, we're trying to shy away from using Tissot illustrations this year and probably next. He has a bunch of pieces we plan to use the following year so his style will very much set the tone for the look of a future set.

I didn't realize the Michelangelo piece had been used before on Galba because that one is such poor quality. Michelangelo did a serious that includes multiple prophets. Hypothetically speaking, if we were reprinting other prophets this year, they might also be using Michelangelo's rendition as well. For my part I would prefer to keep the uniformity among cards in the set and don't care as much about the reuse, but we'll see what other member of the team think. This certainly wouldn't be the first time an illustration was reused in a more proper context.
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