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Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« on: July 07, 2015, 12:49:05 PM »
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If you control a human Genesis hero, you may negate and discard a Site and all evil cards on it. Lost Souls return to land of bondage and captured heroes there return to Owner's territory. Cannot be Negated if a Canaanite is in play.
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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2018, 10:00:27 AM »
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So I am guessing that Arrthoa didn't anticipate the (more to be added) cards would be spoilers for a set three years later but here is the first spoiler for the day that will come from Genesis. What do you think of...

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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2018, 10:10:05 AM »
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Eh...

As long as Isaac is in the deck or reserve, it’s probably fine. Nothing too exciting though IMO (not every card needs to be).

Hopefully there are still “more to be added”?

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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2018, 10:34:58 AM »
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It allows Isaac to be kept in reserve in an Abraham deck, since Abraham can still search for and band to this guy. That said, if you want Isaac in main deck the only reason to run this guy is the star ability, since anything you'd run in that deck that can tutor this guy (namely Abraham) can tutor Isaac just as easily. Since you're normally running Winds and Shur anyway, I'm not sure how often this guy makes the cut. Happy to be proven wrong, if anyone else has any points.

On a somewhat related note, any word on whether star abilities will be able to activate off natural draws as well as opening hand?
« Last Edit: October 11, 2018, 10:38:35 AM by Bobbert »
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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2018, 10:48:54 AM »
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On a somewhat related note, any word on whether star abilities will be able to activate off natural draws as well as opening hand?

It seems very likely that star abilities will activate off of the initial draw 8 as well as your draw 3 at the start of each turn. Many were originally designed to work specifically at the start of the game (draw eight) and have been retooled to function appropriately if drawn at the start of a turn.
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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2018, 11:02:56 AM »
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How about this dual-brigade and dual-testament good enhancement...

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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2018, 11:07:56 AM »
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How about this dual-brigade and dual-testament good enhancement...

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Love it! Abe can finally get some more banding action going!
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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2018, 12:13:05 PM »
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How about this dual-brigade and dual-testament good enhancement...

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I really wanna use this for an Abram's Army shenanigans deck at some point. More ways for a (maybe CBI) battle winning hero to be banded in.

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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2018, 12:49:36 PM »
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Keeping in them with Abraham's story and it foretold God's ultimate plan...

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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2018, 01:12:34 PM »
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Keeping in them with Abraham's story and it foretold God's ultimate plan...

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I’m glad to see cards in this set that can get animals from the Reserve.
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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2018, 01:47:49 PM »
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Speaking of animals.

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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2018, 02:09:35 PM »
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Speaking of animals.

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I like that the “site guard” ability is making a come back. However, this character just feels weird being an evil character. I’m thinking it should be a dual-alignment good enhancement and evil character, if anything.
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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2018, 03:13:29 PM »
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It's interesting to me how we seem to be going back and forth on sites. CoW and RoJ seemed to be very anti-sitelock, with Ends in particular standing out as the ultimate punish for attempting to hide souls in sites. FoM had a couple sites that reward placing captured characters in them (Pit of Dothan and Sodom & Gomorrah, and their companion enhancements Brother's Envy and Lingering in Sodom). Now we have Majestic Heavens, Nineveh, and now Ram that are incentivizing placing souls in sites again. Are we just confident enough in Ends and other access cards that we're willing to print good sites again?

That aside, I love this card. Great design on both aspects.


This Isaac focus also makes we wonder if we're going to see a new Rebekah.
« Last Edit: October 11, 2018, 03:16:31 PM by Bobbert »
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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2018, 03:49:02 PM »
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Will repeat my question from here (which has not yet been answered):
Why are all these animals ECs in terms of biblical perspective? Reason for my question: See my other post - these animals have been sent and used by God to fulfill his plan. So why are they ECs?

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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2018, 03:59:30 PM »
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Will repeat my question from here (which has not yet been answered):
Why are all these animals ECs in terms of biblical perspective? Reason for my question: See my other post - these animals have been sent and used by God to fulfill his plan. So why are they ECs?

The short answer is because the games creators have chosen to represent animals through Evil Characters and good Enhancements (sometimes both).
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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2018, 04:01:16 PM »
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Thanx Gabe. That's fine for me.

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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2018, 04:01:45 PM »
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I was going to quote the REG to prove why animals are evil but this is our current definition of a Hero:

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Heroes are cards with a cross in the icon box. Heroes represent characters in the Bible who
follow and serve God and His Plan. The primary goal of Heroes is to rescue Lost Souls.

If anything, this lines up with what Reth just said. Perhaps we need to tweak the definition to say "people" or "humans" instead of "characters".

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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2018, 04:54:35 PM »
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Deviating a little from Abraham's story for the last 2 previews of the day:

We teased this cards eventual reprint last year:

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And of course we can't print that without also printing this:

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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2018, 05:00:53 PM »
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Those are both pretty great cards, especially with Hiding in FoM. Always being able to find an enhancement seems pretty good.
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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2018, 06:14:41 PM »
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For reference purposes our list we used for testing “the dreamer” is Genesis 37-50 cards are Joseph’s Silver Cup, Storehouse, Pharaoh’s Prison, Pit of Dothan, Seven Years of Plenty, Seven Years of Famine, Hiding Joseph’s Cup, Joseph, Coat of Many Colors, Reuben, Judah, Dan, Asher, Zebulun, Midianites Slave, Benjamin, Buying Grain, Jacob’s Grandsons, Forgiveness of Joseph, Journey to Egypt, Reuben’s Torn Clothes, Joseph Before Pharaoh, Egyptian Magicians, Joseph in Prison, Brother’s Envy, Wild Beast, Dream, The Dreaming Pharaoh, Potiphar, Egyptian Warden, Potiphar’s Wife, Egyptian Wise Men, Pharaoh’s Baker, Pharaoh’s Cupbearer and a few other cards that probably don’t matter.
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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2018, 07:18:18 PM »
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Deviating a little from Abraham's story for the last 2 previews of the day:

We teased this cards eventual reprint last year:

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And of course we can't print that without also printing this:

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Like the cup, just wish it could be activated on a son of Jacob.  New Benjamin maybe?
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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2018, 07:43:04 PM »
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Like the cup, just wish it could be activated on a son of Jacob.

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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2018, 01:33:35 AM »
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I was going to quote the REG to prove why animals are evil but this is our current definition of a Hero:

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Heroes are cards with a cross in the icon box. Heroes represent characters in the Bible who
follow and serve God and His Plan. The primary goal of Heroes is to rescue Lost Souls.

If anything, this lines up with what Reth just said. Perhaps we need to tweak the definition to say "people" or "humans" instead of "characters".
"Humans" would be too restricting since we also use angels as heroes.

Regarding Joseph’s Silver Cup:
Would it be possible then to start a Battle Challange and if opponent declines I can DC JSC to capture a Son of Jacob from territory to opponent's LoB in order to get a free rescue?

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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2018, 01:40:45 AM »
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Regarding Joseph’s Silver Cup:
Would it be possible then to start a Battle Challange and if opponent declines I can DC JSC to capture a Son of Jacob from territory to opponent's LoB in order to get a free rescue?
It wouldn't be a free rescue. The opponent has the chance to present an EC until one enters battle or the battle enters battle resolution.

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Re: Genesis Cards (More to be added)
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2018, 01:57:11 AM »
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Regarding Joseph’s Silver Cup:
Would it be possible then to start a Battle Challange and if opponent declines I can DC JSC to capture a Son of Jacob from territory to opponent's LoB in order to get a free rescue?
It wouldn't be a free rescue. The opponent has the chance to present an EC until one enters battle or the battle enters battle resolution.
Even if opponent declines the BC he can present an EC later on after JSC was used? Really?