Author Topic: Four Color David (Read 16236 times)

Gabe · « **Reply #25 on:** April 21, 2012, 08:35:43 PM »

I had an idea to limit the Hidden Treasures interaction. Instead of the restrict ability we could try something like this, "Negate Artifacts unless the owner controls a character with the same book in the reference". That means Hidden Treasures is negated unless you happen to be using Obadiah. It also keeps a good number of other Artifacts from working out of theme, which I happen to like. But David's Harp (and David's Staff if it gets reprinted as an Artifact...) still works.

P.S. -I'll probably toy with the flip version of David sometime soon.

Chris · « **Reply #26 on:** April 21, 2012, 08:37:49 PM »

Here's a thought- why does David need to be reprinted in green at all? I recognize he's a prophet, but that's far from the biggest thing he did, and from a gameplay prospective, it may just be simpler for everyone to ignore the green entirely. Wasn't that considered with Joseph when looking at Creation of the World?

Gabe · « **Reply #27 on:** April 21, 2012, 08:42:51 PM »

Sure, we could just leave green out. But David was responsible for a number of prophecies about the Christ. Since Jesus is the central theme of the Bible I don't really consider David's role as a prophet to be minor or insignificant.

Master Q · « **Reply #28 on:** April 21, 2012, 09:14:21 PM »

I think if you could only use one of those abilities per battle he would be much more balanced. Looks pretty cool though.

Asahel24601 · « **Reply #29 on:** April 21, 2012, 09:32:45 PM »

Is AOCP considered a nt enhancement even though it doesn't have a reference?

sepjazzwarrior · « **Reply #30 on:** April 22, 2012, 10:03:46 AM »

yes it is, all enhancements are either NT or OT, even if they don't have a reference.

I think restricting NT enhancements would and having that part of the ability be negateable would be enough to counter HT abuse. having it be negateable allows NT offenses a way to get around it (although it would be something they have to plan to counter, but there are plenty of ways to counter it if is negateable) but still stops most of the big bad enhancements David would use with HT and it fits Biblically enough with him being a prophet that it doesn't completely feel like it was thrown in there for gameplay purposes. I still stick by the ability I posted earlier with a small adjustment:

David:
(identifiers: all of David's identifiers, holds Davids Harp)
discard a philistine. ignore evil royalty. negate fortresses. restrict players from using NT enhancements. if davids harp is in play, negate demons. may band to a OT warrior-class hero. return to territory if blocked by a female

I like this ability because it makes him less OP by negating the fortresses that help him, not allowing him to use NT enhancements, and his ability is fully negateable. returning to territory if blocked by a female comes from the whole Bathsheba thing. it makes him even less OP and fits Biblically.

Josh · « **Reply #31 on:** April 22, 2012, 10:40:26 AM »

Quote from: sepjazzwarrior on April 22, 2012, 10:03:46 AM

David:
(identifiers: all of David's identifiers, holds Davids Harp)
discard a philistine. ignore evil royalty. negate fortresses. restrict players from using NT enhancements. if davids harp is in play, negate demons. may band to a OT warrior-class hero. return to territory if blocked by a female

I like this ability because it makes him less OP by negating the fortresses that help him, not allowing him to use NT enhancements, and his ability is fully negateable. returning to territory if blocked by a female comes from the whole Bathsheba thing. it makes him even less OP and fits Biblically.

I'm not sure that returning David to territory if blocked by a female fits the Biblical story well. The story of David's sin with Bathsheba starts with "In the spring, when the kings usually go out to war..." The Bible makes an effort to point out that normally, King David would have gone out to war ("into battle"). David's sin seemed to, in part, stem from not going to battle. If he's already in battle, I don't think that simply putting a female EC in battle should return him. He made one massive sin with one woman, but he repented, and in the end he was still called "a man after God's own heart". If anyone should be affected by female ECs, it is Solomon, because they actually turned his heart from God (or at least to foreign gods).

Jmbeers · « **Reply #32 on:** April 22, 2012, 10:41:22 AM »

As a whole I actually like this David, not only is he negate able but Household Idols, Unholy Writ, Magic Charms, Christian Maryter, Grapes of Wrath, The Punisher lost soul, and almost any good Deffense has play first abilities plus CBN battle winners (Such as Women of Thebez, Neglesh, King Ahab and Horses in every birgade all stop David.

And in terms of fearing preblock ignore, insted of the NT thing you could say Restrice players from playing enhancements when no opposing character is in battle. (like the Covenent with death, which also stops David!!

Josh · « **Reply #33 on:** April 22, 2012, 10:52:17 AM »

Quote from: Jmbeers on April 22, 2012, 10:41:22 AM

And in terms of fearing preblock ignore, insted of the NT thing you could say Restrice players from playing enhancements when no opposing character is in battle. (like the Covenent with death, which also stops David!!

Plus one for this idea, it is brilliant.

"Restrict players from playing NT enhancements unless opposed."

browarod · « **Reply #34 on:** April 22, 2012, 05:39:27 PM »

I think that all the abilities he has right now are certainly fitting, but even David himself didn't do all of them at once. Could he not be the first ever "Choose" character? Goliath debuted Taunt, it seems only fitting that the one smiting him could also introduce something new to Redemption.

King David
Red/White/Purple/Green 11/11 Hero, WC
-King of Israel, Musician, Prophet, Holds David's Harp-
"If David's Harp is active, negate demons. You are restricted from playing NT enhancements. Choose one - Discard a Philistine; OR ignore evil royalty; OR band to a 1 Chronicles or II Samuel Hero."
~I Samuel 16:13

I figured choosing one would be the most balanced, but I could see choosing 2 as well.

sepjazzwarrior · « **Reply #35 on:** April 22, 2012, 07:32:20 PM »

i like the choose ability, but i don't think he would be OP to have all the abilities at once. i dont like david only restricting only himself from playing an NT enhancements, it doesn't really fit Biblically

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #36 on:** April 22, 2012, 09:40:48 PM »

The choose one route may bring him out of the realm of broken, although I still argue he'd be OP.

Josh · « **Reply #37 on:** April 22, 2012, 09:53:46 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on April 22, 2012, 09:40:48 PM

The choose one route may bring him out of the realm of broken, although I still argue he'd be OP.

Maybe you could have another contest like you did last year for creating cards (Potter's Field, etc). This time, everyone has to submit 4 Davids - one for each brigade.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #38 on:** April 23, 2012, 01:29:17 AM »

There's one more card we can check off the list of being reprinted next set at least.

lp670sv · « **Reply #39 on:** April 23, 2012, 01:30:50 AM »

Print cards that are balanced game play wise but not 100% biblical accurate, players rage.
Suggest print card that is 100% biblical accurate, but OP game play wise. players rage.

Gabe · « **Reply #40 on:** April 23, 2012, 02:07:38 AM »

I modified the original post with a change to the restrict ability.

As some have suggested, I also added to the original post, a new "flip" version of David/King David that enters play as David and becomes King David.

Master KChief · « **Reply #41 on:** April 23, 2012, 04:26:24 AM »

The flip version is smexy.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #42 on:** April 23, 2012, 12:12:30 PM »

Looks pretty much amazing. I generally like it, but it still helps Sam decks out way too much.

browarod · « **Reply #43 on:** April 23, 2012, 01:42:41 PM »

I see David has joined Hur in the random foot club.

Wings of Music · « **Reply #44 on:** April 23, 2012, 01:46:43 PM »

Quote from: browarod on April 23, 2012, 01:42:41 PM

I see David has joined Hur in the random foot club.

The foot on Hur's artwork actually belongs to Moses, not Hur...

I have to say that I love this flip version, it's super awesome. The only thing that bugs me is that it's perfect for a Sam deck, and I'm not sure I like helping out Sam even more...

cookie monster · « **Reply #45 on:** April 23, 2012, 02:02:27 PM »

Quote from: Wings of Music on April 23, 2012, 01:46:43 PM

Quote from: browarod on April 23, 2012, 01:42:41 PM
I see David has joined Hur in the random foot club.

The foot on Hur's artwork actually belongs to Moses, not Hur...

I have to say that I love this flip version, it's super awesome. The only thing that bugs me is that it's perfect for a Sam deck, and I'm not sure I like helping out Sam even more...

It isn't quite perfect for sam, it is very close though. It is not "PERFECT" for sam because king david is 2 samuel, And only bands to 2 Samuel, Sam is 1Samuel and bands to only 1 samuel.

Red Wing · « **Reply #46 on:** April 23, 2012, 02:06:00 PM »

Quote from: cookie monster on April 23, 2012, 02:02:27 PM

Quote from: Wings of Music on April 23, 2012, 01:46:43 PM
Quote from: browarod on April 23, 2012, 01:42:41 PM
I see David has joined Hur in the random foot club.

The foot on Hur's artwork actually belongs to Moses, not Hur...

I have to say that I love this flip version, it's super awesome. The only thing that bugs me is that it's perfect for a Sam deck, and I'm not sure I like helping out Sam even more...

It isn't quite perfect for sam, it is very close though. It is not "PERFECT" for sam because king david is 2 samuel, And only bands to 2 Samuel, Sam is 1Samuel and bands to only 1 samuel.

But it would give Sam another version of David to search for and draw 2 off of.

Wings of Music · « **Reply #47 on:** April 23, 2012, 02:06:58 PM »

What Red Wing Said.

Additionally, there are plenty of awesome ways to get Dave into battle without having Sam banding to him directly. The other abilities are awesome too, like negating KoT and stopping Goliath cold.

Red Wing · « **Reply #48 on:** April 23, 2012, 02:10:17 PM »

Quote from: Wings of Music on April 23, 2012, 02:06:58 PM

Additionally, there are plenty of awesome ways to get Dave into battle without having Sam banding to him directly. The other abilities are awesome too, like negating KoT and stopping Goliath cold.

And more FBTNB combos.

browarod · « **Reply #49 on:** April 23, 2012, 02:12:49 PM »

Actually, if this card was printed, it would have to replace red David in current Sam decks (they share the same name and same brigade so they'd be considered the same card), so you wouldn't get an extra out of it, just one with more variety.

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Author Topic: Four Color David (Read 16236 times)

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