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A Glimpse Into the Future
« on: June 26, 2018, 03:32:57 PM »
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In the course of the upcoming Christ centric block it’s likely that we will be printing a group of characters that don’t fit into any of our current brigade themes. Most (if not all of them) are probably O.T. Heroes. In the past when this type of thing comes up a new brigade is introduced (teal for Priests and clay for N.T. after Pentecost). But I don’t know if more brigades is what the game really needs.

What do you think is the best good brigade to give them and why?

Or would a new brigade be better after all and what color should it be?
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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2018, 03:37:37 PM »
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I would be in favor of another evil brigade but not another good one.  I would almost like to see clay get an OT theme.  All the original brigades have both NT and OT cards, I think it would be cool to see that for the newer brigades as well (including NT priests, maybe focusing on new believers?).  If we cant have OT clay, then my vote is for either blue or white

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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2018, 03:42:11 PM »
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I propose that they depict rainbow (multi brigade) like Kings of the Earth does for evil. Their brigade would be unity that requires the rest of Heroes to have a single brigade (or to have one brigade in common across all of your heroes) and they would match whatever brigade that is.

So it would creat a dynamic character, but still discourage splash offense.

It would also represent inclusion of all people groups.

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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2018, 03:51:53 PM »
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I love the Cloud card concept and really wanted Hope to be one but I understand them being set specific.

Having something unique which isn't a brigade could be cool.. Which still let's them play enhancements or maybe only specific ones or kinds.

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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2018, 03:54:00 PM »
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I would like to see them mixed into Blue, Red, White, Gold and maybe Green and Purple, and given abilities that fit with the current themes/strategies of that respective brigade. I believe this would create some greater variety in deck-building options and be somewhat of a throwback to the original Redemption sets when brigades weren't necessarily defined by themes.

 
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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2018, 03:54:54 PM »
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Without knowing any information about them, I think some of extremely theme centric brigades could use some more modern Heroes. White and clay are stacked partially because the groups they represent is so large and thus a lot of multibrigade cards include those brigades. Meanwhile red really only gets warriors, blue only gets Genesis, Teal only gets priests, and Purple only gets Royalty/Disciples. Green, white, clay, yellow, and silver don't need the extra help since prophets and prophecy give a ton of content to pull from, clay/white is stacked, judges also have a good bit of content and it has its NT theme to grow into, and silver is strictly angels.

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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2018, 04:02:13 PM »
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I love to see the game expand so I vote new brigade! As for the color, some options are:

Bronze
Midnight (dark) blue
Silver
Pink
Blue-green
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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2018, 05:10:19 PM »
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I love to see the game expand so I vote new brigade! As for the color, some options are:

Bronze
Midnight (dark) blue
Silver
Pink
Blue-green

There’s already silver...

How about tan for evil characters? I think they could use another brigade.

I agree with an earlier poster. I like how the Cloud icon was used. Let’s revisit using something similar again.
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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2018, 05:33:27 PM »
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X = # of good brigades = max 10.. hmmmm
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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2018, 05:36:00 PM »
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Light blue would be cool to see as a hero brigade although I think I’d rather see current brigades and themes reinforced first.
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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2018, 05:44:03 PM »
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Lol how could I forget that there's already silver  :doh:

Just trying to think long term and big picture, I think it would be great if there was another brigade. It expands the game and a few sets from now, there will be more options/diversity which is awesome.

That being said, I am aware that there are currently 2 more good brigades than evil brigades. So I'd like to see more evil brigades too.
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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2018, 05:52:44 PM »
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All I ask if another brigade is created is to not then print 3 sets in a row where nearly every good card has the new brigade on it and it becomes omnipresent for a couple years.

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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2018, 06:17:32 PM »
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No new good brigades please. Plenty left to do in the others. Teal needs something new. *Hint hint ;)

Evil I could see, but there's plenty left to do there too.
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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2018, 06:30:08 PM »
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I would like to see them mixed into Blue, Red, White, Gold and maybe Green and Purple, and given abilities that fit with the current themes/strategies of that respective brigade. I believe this would create some greater variety in deck-building options and be somewhat of a throwback to the original Redemption sets when brigades weren't necessarily defined by themes.

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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2018, 07:06:24 PM »
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Teal definitely needs boosting, but especially NT gold. That is one neglected theme.
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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2018, 07:34:34 PM »
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I'm not sure if we need another color. But if we do add one I like this color. Wow this looks more orange on my phone then it did on my computer. I was going for a Carmel color.

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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2018, 08:38:47 PM »
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Orange, clay, gold, and then caramel brigades? Lol

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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2018, 08:43:23 PM »
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I would like to see them mixed into Blue, Red, White, Gold and maybe Green and Purple, and given abilities that fit with the current themes/strategies of that respective brigade. I believe this would create some greater variety in deck-building options and be somewhat of a throwback to the original Redemption sets when brigades weren't necessarily defined by themes.


I agree with this as well. 


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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2018, 09:03:33 PM »
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Orange, clay, gold, and then caramel brigades? Lol

Yeah why not? Clay is basically pink and gold is basically yellow. Mount Carmel was in the Bible  ;D it was also the second stone in the priests breastplate topaz.





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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2018, 10:17:16 PM »
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I agree with Guardian et. al. Mixing it in to other brigades leads to more interaction and strategy. It could potentially be something that benefits all brigades with its own strategy, or help out themes in their own strengths, or patch their weaknesses.
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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2018, 10:34:47 PM »
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It would be nice if there were 9 evil and 9 good brigades in the future ;) cause balance is great. IMO good should have stopped at 7 and evil at 6... for no good reason :P
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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2018, 10:47:42 PM »
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It would be nice if there were 9 evil and 9 good brigades in the future ;) cause balance is great. IMO good should have stopped at 7 and evil at 6... for no good reason :P

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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2018, 07:21:47 AM »
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It would be nice if there were 9 evil and 9 good brigades in the future ;) cause balance is great. IMO good should have stopped at 7 and evil at 6... for no good reason :P

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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2018, 08:11:00 AM »
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Also agree with The Guardian.  Would love to see the brigades build a little separation in what those brigades "do" and what their "identity" is.

16 brigades is plenty.  For those that want another brigade, could you give some reasons you are in favor of it?  I personally don't think MoS, Vittles, Damsel, or Outsiders need to draw more than 9  ;)

I like the suggestion about potentially using an icon (like the Cloud icon) for these heroes.  If not an icon, perhaps a keyword. 
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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2018, 08:18:00 AM »
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perhaps they could be all different brigade but have an identifier that lets them use any "insert set theme" enhancement

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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2018, 08:36:46 AM »
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It is difficult to give you great feedback Gabe with the little information, but Ill take a crack at it . . .

I think placing those card in Solid Green might make sense. Green often has most of the prophets and prophetic cards. IF doing a set about Christ, and referencing the OT people and events talking about the future Messiah, it would seem that Green makes the most sense.

PLEASE do not make another brigade. This would make me very sad. Redemption already makes brigade balance in expansion really difficult for R&D. What does a new color afford that we dont already have in the current 16!?

I would rather see brigades strengthen and lines become crystal clear than to muddy the mixture more. On top of that, printing variation can make it difficult to see distinguishing brigade colors (sometimes a lightly printed organge card could be visual confused with evil gold - i did this with Damsel). So, I would be concerned that the "new color" would cause visual confusion.
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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2018, 08:46:37 AM »
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I think Justin hit it on the head. Open up some restricted themes more. Encourage unique deck building. Have new ways to catch your opponent off guard. Blue only has a few main strategies, red is only WC heroes and is slightly broken down under that but I would add new strategies to red instead of just any warrior is red, it makes deck building become very redundant very quickly. Teal is another viable candidate. I feel like there’s a lot to add on with themes, green is also more of a support brigade recently,  NT gold, purple is really only a support brigade recently, blue doesn’t have a NT theme, teal barely has NT heroes. Adding in some strong heroes sprinkled through other brigades would help bolster them overall.
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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2018, 08:30:00 AM »
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I would like to add too that, on a technical basis, there are really
  • 16 single color brigades
  • And 622 evil and good multi-color brigade options. (if my math is correct).

A RED/WHITE hero is really a new brigade for all intensive purposes, as a R/W hero should be/want different things than R or W.
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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2018, 10:33:45 AM »
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I would like to add too that, on a technical basis, there are really
  • 16 single color brigades
  • And 622 evil and good multi-color brigade options. (if my math is correct).

A RED/WHITE hero is really a new brigade for all intensive purposes, as a R/W hero should be/want different things than R or W.

The problem with printing x/White cards is that white is already extremely stacked and it will be hard to print competitive cards in that brigade without just making plain white better. Unity and other restrictions can potentially help with that but the two white archetypes that could potentially deserve support (Ruth and Women) don't really have any synergy with red.

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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2018, 10:41:03 AM »
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My point was an extreme technicality, it was not necessary practical, but the point is that if you treat multi-color "as a brigade" we have quite a bit.
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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2018, 11:05:28 AM »
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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2018, 11:43:23 AM »
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O.T. Clay

Isn't that kind of like making non-Priest Teal heroes or non-Angel Silver heroes? 

On a separate note, I for one am quite tired of seeing new Clay cards  ;)
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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2018, 12:18:45 PM »
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O.T. Clay

Isn't that kind of like making non-Priest Teal heroes or non-Angel Silver heroes? 

On a separate note, I for one am quite tired of seeing new Clay cards  ;)

Not necessarily. They fall in a similar theme. The Church is the body of Christ and the fulfillment of His coming Kingdom. From what Gabe is putting out there, the cards we are talking about are cards that are pointing to the coming Savior and His coming Kingdom. Seems to fit perfectly. I would argue that Teal could have been O.T. Clay as well since the church is a holy priesthood, but I understand it being separated due to the special call on that group of people. Silver and Orange are reserved for spiritual beings only.

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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2018, 02:01:13 PM »
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If the next theme is around Christ’s return I want to see a “The Rapture” card created that doesn’t offend anyone.  :P

On a serious note I want to see more implementation of cloud characters and similar mechanics. Perhaps a cloud mechanic for ECs.

Also, no new brigades please! ty :)

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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2018, 03:09:20 PM »
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If the next theme is around Christ’s return I want to see a “The Rapture” card created that doesn’t offend anyone.  :P

On a serious note I want to see more implementation of cloud characters and similar mechanics. Perhaps a cloud mechanic for ECs.

Also, no new brigades please! ty :)

How would you justify a "cloud" mechanic for the Evil side? as the idea from the good side, is that we benefit from their faith and legacy.
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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2018, 03:31:46 PM »
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If the next theme is around Christ’s return I want to see a “The Rapture” card created that doesn’t offend anyone.  :P

On a serious note I want to see more implementation of cloud characters and similar mechanics. Perhaps a cloud mechanic for ECs.

Also, no new brigades please! ty :)

How would you justify a "cloud" mechanic for the Evil side? as the idea from the good side, is that we benefit from their faith and legacy.

It wouldn't need to be a literal cloud but I agree with him that a pseudo identifier for a group of cards with self referrential abilities unique to a set is a mechanic I would like to see again.

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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2018, 04:30:30 PM »
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There have been so many great ideas presented! I hope you will all keep them coming!

As I expected there's a bit of division on the idea of another brigade. Those in favor have given some solid suggestions of how we can do that. One thing I can promise is that if a new brigade is introduced it won't be the focal point of any set we have planned, so players won't be flooded with it.

I'm glad people like the cloud mechanic. I imagine there's a way we could use some kind of symbol (like the cloud but not a cloud) again for ECs, Heroes or both. That's certainly a possibility for the unique group of characters that started this discussion. It's even possible that we could toss a cloud card or two into a set if the card pertained to Hebrews 12 or was another reprint of one of the characters mentioned there. Moses 3.0 anyone?  ::)

At it's inception Teal was intended only for Priests and Clay was intended only for N.T. believers who have the indwelling Holy Spirit (jars of clay). I'm not sure we want to stray from the original intentions, but if we decide to expand either one, the ideas given are good options.

The characters mentioned in the first post won't be used this year. We're looking 2-3 years ahead now with what we're doing. We have some time to hear your ideas, discuss what's best and decide how to use them.

We plan to use a new icon style mechanic across the 3 set block that we will expand upon with each set. It's similar to the cloud icon but yet much different. We hope to reveal a sneak peak at Nationals! 8)
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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2018, 10:41:37 AM »
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My concern about new brigades is that we have such a hard time with printing the brigades we have consistently. "Is it Orange or is it Gold?" is a question I have heard way too many times in the past year.

If we do introduce another color I tend to use the available common colors of meeples as a guide to what is left. With that in mind it appears we have tan, light purple, light blue, and copper. Most of those have been mentioned on here before.

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Re: A Glimpse Into the Future
« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2018, 10:23:48 PM »
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maybe the new good brigade could be..

Mint !

Can play teal and green with new minty enh lol

but for real one thing i did love about silver in the warriors days is that it really looked silvery :)
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