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Re: PROPHECIES OF CHRIST (Spoiler thread)
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2018, 01:23:03 PM »
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Re: PROPHECIES OF CHRIST (Spoiler thread)
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2018, 02:02:16 PM »
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Thanks, Daniel!

I'm excited to get some spoilers going!!!

Let's all give Xonathan a round of applause for his input on a few of the Heroes in our upcoming set! We're going to see a few all new cloud Heroes pop up based on his helpful research!

Any and all aspects of cards we spoil this far from our deadline are subject to change. In fact it's possible that we spoil a card that doesn't end up seeing print, although we're going to try to only show things that we feel are likely to make the final cut and close to a final form.

The card below is one we're testing for power level right now. The main thing we're focused on is the whether or not the number 4 is too low.

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Re: PROPHECIES OF CHRIST (Spoiler thread)
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2018, 03:11:01 PM »
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Thanks for the first spoiler! I have a question and a comment:

Q: I noticed that the set symbol has changed from the Star of David to a scroll - why the change?

C: For the above artifact, I suggest using the word "Waiting" instead of "Silence", for the following reasons:

- While I'm aware that no parts of the Bible were given during the 400 years from Malachi until Matthew, and we don't know of any prophets from that time, the Bible does not say that God was [completely] silent during that time. He always has spoken through His creation, for one example (Romans 1:20, Psalm 19).
- The word "silent", at least to me, implies God being physically and emotionally detached from the people and events occurring on the earth. However, we know from countless places in the Bible that His nature is the opposite. So long as people have the opportunity to repent, He is actively acting, witnessing and drawing people to Himself.
- Some prophecies were fulfilled during the 400 years, particularly from Daniel 7-12, including that the Persians would fall to Greece, which would then fall to Rome. Also some details about Emperor Antiochus Epiphanes IV and Pompey were prophesied by Daniel.
- Some events that happened during those 400 years show God's involvement, such as the Maccabean revolt, as well as we know that God was setting things up for Jesus' coming. (Galatians 4:4)

So overall, I just feel like the word "Waiting" would better witness to God's character - especially to those unfamiliar with His nature.
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Re: PROPHECIES OF CHRIST (Spoiler thread)
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2018, 03:19:46 PM »
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I am not sure why, but to comment about Jesse’s question about the symbol change:

Assuming there are still “Star” cards, I would support the use of a different symbol for the set vs the unique cards.  With CoW, it can be confusing when the cards are first introduced since the symbol is the same. For instance, The Angel of the Winds exchanges with a hero, if it is a cloud hero, negate evil characters.  Well there are a lot of CoW heroes that are not “cloud” heroes... but they all have little clouds on the bottom and are heroes so look like “cloud” heroes if you don’t know better.

So the set could have a different symbol, but still use the Star icon for these newly introduced card types.

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Re: PROPHECIES OF CHRIST (Spoiler thread)
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2018, 03:22:32 PM »
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I am not sure why, but to comment about Jesse’s question about the symbol change:

Assuming there are still “Star” cards, I would support the use of a different symbol for the set vs the unique cards.  With CoW, it can be confusing when the cards are first introduced since the symbol is the same. For instance, The Angel of the Winds exchanges with a hero, if it is a cloud hero, negate evil characters.  Well there are a lot of CoW heroes that are not “cloud” heroes... but they all have little clouds on the bottom and are heroes so look like “cloud” heroes if you don’t know better.

So the set could have a different symbol, but still use the Star icon for these newly introduced card types.

This is correct--the star of David symbol will only appear on "Star" cards. The actual set symbol is the Scroll as pictured in the previewed cards.
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2018, 03:36:40 PM »
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Ah, I didn't realize the set symbol was always that way. I agree with goalieking's reasoning as well.
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Re: PROPHECIES OF CHRIST (Spoiler thread)
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2018, 09:25:23 PM »
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A HUGE thank you to Daniel the Creator for spearheading the spoiler thread this fall! I have a couple comments that will hopefully help you;
  • Card numbers are fluid. While these cards are number and approximately correct many of them will probably change before things are final.
  • Having links to the card images is excellent, but it makes each post hit the max character count quickly. Perhaps use your favorite URL shorter on those links.

Q: I noticed that the set symbol has changed from the Star of David to a scroll - why the change?

As mentioned above, one thing we learned from CoW was that we need to better differentiate between "class" and "ability" icons vs the set symbol. Initially we thought using a different cloud for the set symbol vs the "cloud cards" would make that easier to understand. That being said, the set symbol has always been the scroll and we still have plenty of
"star" cards in the set.

C: For the above artifact, I suggest using the word "Waiting" instead of "Silence"

There are pros and cons to using both "waiting" or "silence". Calling the card "400 Years of Waiting" implies that the "waiting" or anticipation of the Messiah was only over a 400 year period. I'm not sure we can portray the period perfectly in a short card title, but in context of a set which is focused on the anticipation of the Messiah from as early as Genesis 3, specifically the prophesies of the Messiah, I prefer "Silence" because it represents a period in which no know prophesies of the coming Messiah happened. We'll see what the rest of our team thinks.



And finally... why not one more spoiler to close this out? Have you grown tired of your opponent using Wages of Sin over and over? Do you love the Exodus deck discard theme? Then you're probably hungry for some Manna!

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Re: PROPHECIES OF CHRIST (Spoiler thread)
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2018, 09:37:50 PM »
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Thanks for explaining, Gabe (and for the awesome other spoiler!). I understand what you're saying; it's true that using the word "waiting" would imply that it was only 400 years (which is clearly not true and goes against a main teaching point of the set - namely, to show that all of the Bible points to Jesus). A different word than "waiting" could be better; it's just that the word "silence" to me has the negative implications regarding the perception of God that I outlined in my comment. I know that theologians typically refer to the period between the Testaments as the "400 Years of Silence", so my objections are really to them regarding the use of that term. ;D Thanks for considering!
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Re: PROPHECIES OF CHRIST (Spoiler thread)
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2018, 09:50:30 PM »
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Re: PROPHECIES OF CHRIST (Spoiler thread)
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2018, 09:53:04 PM »
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« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2018, 10:08:44 PM »
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Re: PROPHECIES OF CHRIST (Spoiler thread)
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2018, 10:17:57 PM »
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A HUGE thank you to Daniel the Creator for spearheading the spoiler thread this fall! I have a couple comments that will hopefully help you;
  • Card numbers are fluid. While these cards are number and approximately correct many of them will probably change before things are final.
  • Having links to the card images is excellent, but it makes each post hit the max character count quickly. Perhaps use your favorite URL shorter on those links.

Q: I noticed that the set symbol has changed from the Star of David to a scroll - why the change?

As mentioned above, one thing we learned from CoW was that we need to better differentiate between "class" and "ability" icons vs the set symbol. Initially we thought using a different cloud for the set symbol vs the "cloud cards" would make that easier to understand. That being said, the set symbol has always been the scroll and we still have plenty of
"star" cards in the set.

C: For the above artifact, I suggest using the word "Waiting" instead of "Silence"

There are pros and cons to using both "waiting" or "silence". Calling the card "400 Years of Waiting" implies that the "waiting" or anticipation of the Messiah was only over a 400 year period. I'm not sure we can portray the period perfectly in a short card title, but in context of a set which is focused on the anticipation of the Messiah from as early as Genesis 3, specifically the prophesies of the Messiah, I prefer "Silence" because it represents a period in which no know prophesies of the coming Messiah happened. We'll see what the rest of our team thinks.



And finally... why not one more spoiler to close this out? Have you grown tired of your opponent using Wages of Sin over and over? Do you love the Exodus deck discard theme? Then you're probably hungry for some Manna!

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what an I missing here?  How is the star portion of this card useful at all?
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Re: PROPHECIES OF CHRIST (Spoiler thread)
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2018, 10:19:55 PM »
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A HUGE thank you to Daniel the Creator for spearheading the spoiler thread this fall! I have a couple comments that will hopefully help you;
  • Card numbers are fluid. While these cards are number and approximately correct many of them will probably change before things are final.
  • Having links to the card images is excellent, but it makes each post hit the max character count quickly. Perhaps use your favorite URL shorter on those links.

Q: I noticed that the set symbol has changed from the Star of David to a scroll - why the change?

As mentioned above, one thing we learned from CoW was that we need to better differentiate between "class" and "ability" icons vs the set symbol. Initially we thought using a different cloud for the set symbol vs the "cloud cards" would make that easier to understand. That being said, the set symbol has always been the scroll and we still have plenty of
"star" cards in the set.

C: For the above artifact, I suggest using the word "Waiting" instead of "Silence"

There are pros and cons to using both "waiting" or "silence". Calling the card "400 Years of Waiting" implies that the "waiting" or anticipation of the Messiah was only over a 400 year period. I'm not sure we can portray the period perfectly in a short card title, but in context of a set which is focused on the anticipation of the Messiah from as early as Genesis 3, specifically the prophesies of the Messiah, I prefer "Silence" because it represents a period in which no know prophesies of the coming Messiah happened. We'll see what the rest of our team thinks.



And finally... why not one more spoiler to close this out? Have you grown tired of your opponent using Wages of Sin over and over? Do you love the Exodus deck discard theme? Then you're probably hungry for some Manna!

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what an I missing here?  How is the star portion of this card useful at all?


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Re: PROPHECIES OF CHRIST (Spoiler thread)
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2018, 11:14:42 PM »
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Music Leader is another example. Have you ever gone 2nd and would have given the world just have have yours in play while your opponent did a half dozen search/draw abilities? Multiply that by 3 in a MP game!
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Re: PROPHECIES OF CHRIST (Spoiler thread)
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2018, 11:56:51 PM »
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Thanks for explaining, Gabe (and for the awesome other spoiler!). I understand what you're saying; it's true that using the word "waiting" would imply that it was only 400 years (which is clearly not true and goes against a main teaching point of the set - namely, to show that all of the Bible points to Jesus). A different word than "waiting" could be better; it's just that the word "silence" to me has the negative implications regarding the perception of God that I outlined in my comment. I know that theologians typically refer to the period between the Testaments as the "400 Years of Silence", so my objections are really to them regarding the use of that term. ;D Thanks for considering!

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Re: PROPHECIES OF CHRIST (Spoiler thread)
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2018, 06:27:32 AM »
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Ok. So the star portion can be used as long as its in your hand first turn. I was thinking you had to lay that down as an artifact to get it to work first.
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Re: PROPHECIES OF CHRIST (Spoiler thread)
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2018, 07:18:05 AM »
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Ok. So the star portion can be used as long as its in your hand first turn.

Correct. The “star” ability represents a free pre-game play that you can choose whether or not to do. In addition to the examples above, I can only imagine that there might be a few Heroes in the set have value if you play them right away.
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Re: PROPHECIES OF CHRIST (Spoiler thread)
« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2018, 07:34:57 AM »
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Ok. So the star portion can be used as long as its in your hand first turn.

Correct. The “star” ability represents a free pre-game play that you can choose whether or not to do. In addition to the examples above, I can only imagine that there might be a few Heroes in the set have value if you play them right away.
What determines star initative?
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Re: PROPHECIES OF CHRIST (Spoiler thread)
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2018, 09:20:24 AM »
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Manna and Jephthah together is a sweet combo! Really excited for these cards!
 
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Re: PROPHECIES OF CHRIST (Spoiler thread)
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2018, 06:37:47 AM »
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Maybe this thread should become a sticky one like the ones for the previous spoiler threads. Or did this first happen when they became official introduction threads?

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« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2018, 08:42:45 AM »
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Re: PROPHECIES OF CHRIST (Spoiler thread)
« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2018, 12:27:02 PM »
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Ok. So the star portion can be used as long as its in your hand first turn.

Correct. The “star” ability represents a free pre-game play that you can choose whether or not to do. In addition to the examples above, I can only imagine that there might be a few Heroes in the set have value if you play them right away.
What determines star initative?

I’d also like to know. I’m assuming it’s like a tie with lost souls needing to be activated in that it’s some randomization, like a coin toss, that determines it.
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