Shouldn’t the interrupt part be the first part of the ability so it can be used during SI?
As long as interrupt is part of the card's special ability then it should still work for SI. :thumbup:
As long as interrupt is part of the card's special ability then it should still work for SI. :thumbup:
Not with the way the card is currently worded. The take ability happens first, so you can’t use this in SI for that reason. Just like you couldn’t use Unsuccessful (Pi) in SI due to the discard of Unsuccessful happening first, or Word of their Testimony to negate Spirit of Fear due to an evil human needing to be underdecked first.
The rules only say you can play an Enhancement that will interrupt or negate, not that it has to be the first thing the card does. That's kind of implied, but would mean something like Priests Scapegoat (banish to negate) doesn't work in SI.
I think the current ruling is that SI suspends the removing ability, Boasting is played, searches, then interrupt/draw 3/play.
In theory, I agree with everyone else that it should be interrupt/draw/play, then search if appropriate.
So one could use WotT to negate spirit of fear, even with having to underdeck an evil human first? And if this is the case why can’t Unsuccessful (Pi) be used in SI?
So one could use WotT to negate spirit of fear, even with having to underdeck an evil human first? And if this is the case why can’t Unsuccessful (Pi) be used in SI?
Because in the case of Unsuccessful and Speech it doesn't interrupt anything when you play it. Both of them require you to manually activate an ability before they interrupt.
So one could use WotT to negate spirit of fear, even with having to underdeck an evil human first? And if this is the case why can’t Unsuccessful (Pi) be used in SI?
Because in the case of Unsuccessful and Speech it doesn't interrupt anything when you play it. Both of them require you to manually activate an ability before they interrupt.
Then how is that any different than taking a site first before you can interrupt the removal with ToJ?
And you guys don’t see the confusion this will cause other players (particularly newer ones, and obviously me) when you can play ToJ or Scapegoat during SI and take a site first or banish it even though your last character is being removed from battle, but you can’t play a card like Gam’s Speech or Unsuccessful because it requires a manual activation first? I’m failing to see the difference in “banish this card to” vs “discard this card to” when it comes to Scapegoat being allowed during DI but Unsuccessful not. Isn’t this counter-intuitive?
Why can’t cards that interrupt/negate simply be played during SI no matter if you have to manually activate some other ability first? Why make this more complicated than it needs to be? Why can’t the rule be something as simple as if a card is causing you to have SI then you can play an enh that interrupts or negates that ability, regardless of whether or not you have to “manually trigger” it?
I like being inexperienced because when people talk about "me" I can chime in :)
Definitely confused... If Speech (https://thejambi.github.io/RedemptionCCGViewer/?GYXg4ghgtgpATAYQM4AcCmaDGALIA) is already in your territory, can you use it in SI?
What happens during "After SI"? Aka, how does what you're saying look like in the flow of a battle?I like being inexperienced because when people talk about "me" I can chime in :)
Definitely confused... If Speech (https://thejambi.github.io/RedemptionCCGViewer/?GYXg4ghgtgpATAYQM4AcCmaDGALIA) is already in your territory, can you use it in SI?
Not during SI, since SI only involves playing a card, but in most cases activating Speech right after SI will have almost the same affect. Woes works the same way, you cannot play it during SI but you can play it immediately after for a similar effect.
What happens during "After SI"? Aka, how does what you're saying look like in the flow of a battle?I like being inexperienced because when people talk about "me" I can chime in :)
Definitely confused... If Speech (https://thejambi.github.io/RedemptionCCGViewer/?GYXg4ghgtgpATAYQM4AcCmaDGALIA) is already in your territory, can you use it in SI?
Not during SI, since SI only involves playing a card, but in most cases activating Speech right after SI will have almost the same affect. Woes works the same way, you cannot play it during SI but you can play it immediately after for a similar effect.
Makes sense!
What's the Unsuccessful card being mentioned here?
Ohhhhhh errata... I should figure out how to find those..Well, there's this thread that is a bit dated and may not include all of them: http://www.cactusforums.com/rules-announcements/errata-reworded-special-abilities/ (http://www.cactusforums.com/rules-announcements/errata-reworded-special-abilities/).
Because without this distinction, you would be able to play cards during SI that wouldn't have to actually interrupt the ability. In the case of Speech, if it were legal to play it during SI, you would have the option of playing it but not choosing to activate it once it's in territory. On top of that, it may feel less complicated on the surface to just say "If the card can negate the thing causing SI at some point then go for it" but that's actually harder to define in rules text and opens up the rules to a lot more edge cases, like placing Speech during SI but not activating it. In the end the current option is actually the simple one.
And I still don’t see how Scapegoat, which appears to me to have a manual trigger (banish this to...) is any different than Unsuccessful’s “discard this to...” ability. I’m sorry to keep asking this but I’m thoroughly confused about these scenarios and the explanations about them.
According to Master Aggie NWJonathan is correct.The rules only say you can play an Enhancement that will interrupt or negate, not that it has to be the first thing the card does. That's kind of implied, but would mean something like Priests Scapegoat (banish to negate) doesn't work in SI.
I think the current ruling is that SI suspends the removing ability, Boasting is played, searches, then interrupt/draw 3/play.
In theory, I agree with everyone else that it should be interrupt/draw/play, then search if appropriate.
And you guys don’t see the confusion this will cause other players (particularly newer ones, and obviously me) when you can play ToJ or Scapegoat during SI and take a site first or banish it even though your last character is being removed from battle, but you can’t play a card like Gam’s Speech or Unsuccessful because it requires a manual activation first? I’m failing to see the difference in “banish this card to” vs “discard this card to” when it comes to Scapegoat being allowed during DI but Unsuccessful not. Isn’t this counter-intuitive?